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post #6901 of 8349
1/20/12 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by technikal View Post

I'm torn. I like the tv and would like to keep it but don't want warranty issues should I have problems. That said, I have an email from amazon stating it's covered, so I kind of figure if I do have problems and Panasonic won't support me, I can push back on Amazon and have them cover it.

On Squaretrade - I've used them on cellphones and they were easy to deal with the one time I dropped and broke the device. The feedback on the Amazon site on open-box stuff isn't great though. Seems like Squaretrade is assuming manufacture's warranty should still apply, too - and that's causing warranty claims to be denied.

I called Square Trade and the rep was not familiar with the policy regarding open-box stuff from Amazon. I had to direct him to their own policy regarding open-box tv's since they don't have manufacturers warranties. AFTER showing him their policy he talked to a supervisor and apologized...a bunch lol. He said yes they cover open-box, he said they mirror exactly the manufacturers warranty. I said, so after the 30 day Amazon return window you cover ALL issues that are mechanical, and electrical...he said "absolutely!". Plus, they cover power-surge issues as long as you use a "qualified" surge-protector. From simply talking to them, after clearing up the Amazon issue (which he said was a new program), they seem okay.

You may be right about pushing to Amazon if an issue arises...just keep the email safe
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post #6902 of 8349
1/20/12 at 10:26pm
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Originally Posted by mikeyraw View Post

Does your receiver support ARC?

I have a Denon 2112 i have no idea

My surround sound works for PS3, Cablebox , xbox, etc. What is ARC?

I am sure my receiver does
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post #6903 of 8349
1/21/12 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by Blood Talon View Post

Does the usb port support ntfs HDD and play mkv with sepreate subtitle ?

how is it compared to vt20 and samsung d550

Can somebody please answer
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post #6904 of 8349
1/21/12 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

I have a Denon 2112 i have no idea

My surround sound works for PS3, Cablebox , xbox, etc. What is ARC?

I am sure my receiver does

ARC = Audio Return Channel. A new feature in HDMI 1.4a to eliminate the need for the toslink cable from the TV to the receiver for audio out from sources where the sound is generated/sourced from the TV (VieraCast apps, Analog and Digital OTA channels).

Just did some quick Googling, your receiver supports it, as does our ST30 and it looks like any HDMI cable will do according to hdmi.org: Will I need a new cable to support Audio Return Channel functionality?
No. Audio Return Channel -enabled devices can be connected via all the existing categories of HDMI cables.

I would flip through the ST30 and receiver manual and get it figured out.

Good luck!

More info here:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx
http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Page...2112CI(DenonNA)
http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us201...st_plasma.html
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post #6905 of 8349
1/21/12 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by DarkNessBear View Post

So is there a fix for the set buzzing? Or do I have to return it?

From MEMORY, from previous posts on the subject:
1) Some sets seem to "self-correct" over time; others stay the same or get worse;

2) A few owners report having a component replaced (power supply, perhaps - ?) that cured the buzzing;

3) Some have tried putting Sound Deadening material on the wall behind the set; (Begs question of Source and Direction of sound: but if it is bouncing off a rear wall, reflection control could certainly help.)

4) Most people either convince themselves to simply live with it, or return the sets.

Mind you, none of our sets have been "buzzers," & therefore have not done "Research" on this subject....
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post #6906 of 8349
1/21/12 at 7:51am
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1. How bad (or decent) are the speakers on the ST30? Most of my viewing will be done using them.
2. Is it basically a crapshoot in getting an ST30 without flaws?
3. If I were to go 50", price aside, is there any reason to get the ST30 rather than wait for the ST50?

All of below are IMHO, of course:

1) Find the speakers adequate for casual tv viewing: News shows, talk shows & such. You probably won't be happy with them for Movies or, or course, any time you are looking for a Hi-Fi Surround Sound Experience...

2) Yes. Although it remains open as to whether or not YOU will actually NOTICE any such flaws - whether due to you own "Sensitivity" to them, or the level to which they present themselves on your particular set. Reading owner reviews - for example on Amazon - clearly shows that the VAST majority of owners LOVE their sets...

3) You gave one reason: We don't know what - if any - problems might show on the ST50s. Second: You will have to wait, at least for some weeks, before they show up in stores. Third: It will be a while before ST50 prices reach the discounts available on ST30 sets...
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post #6907 of 8349
1/21/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

From MEMORY, from previous posts on the subject:
1) Some sets seem to "self-correct" over time; others stay the same or get worse;

2) A few owners report having a component replaced (power supply, perhaps - ?) that cured the buzzing;

3) Some have tried putting Sound Deadening material on the wall behind the set; (Begs question of Source and Direction of sound: but if it is bouncing off a rear wall, reflection control could certainly help.)

4) Most people either convince themselves to simply live with it, or return the sets.

Mind you, none of our sets have been "buzzers," & therefore have not done "Research" on this subject....

Can you hear buzzing when the TV is on?
I can only hear it when i stick my ear 2 inches from the TV in the back . Plasmas arent going to be dead silent. Also when i had my A-board changed out the back was completely removed. The tech told me the buzzing comes from the coils. You have one on each top left and top right sides of the tv. You wont be able to stop it.
My tv buzz can only be heard when i stick my ear directly back to the tv and cannot be heard otherwise. I have a 60ST30

Anyone know how to enable ARC? on the tv
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post #6908 of 8349
1/21/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Anyone know how to enable ARC? on the tv

As long as you're using HDMI port 1 it should be enabled. More than likely you need to enable it on your receiver.
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post #6909 of 8349
1/21/12 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Can anyone assist me to figure out why when i run viera apps i.e. netflix or amazon prime movies , my surround sound system is not working? Only the tv speakers work.. I have my receiver hooked up via HDMI to my cable box, xbox, ps3 and going out to my tv.

Do i need a dedicated HDMI cable to go to from the receiver to the TV?

I'm using optical from the tv to the receiver and I get my surround working perfectly. Everything else is thru HDMI to the receiver.
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post #6910 of 8349
1/21/12 at 11:42am
Can someone post the actual viewing screen height and width of a TC-P65ST30? Thanks!
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post #6911 of 8349
1/21/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by harley1955 View Post

Can someone post the actual viewing screen height and width of a TC-P65ST30? Thanks!

39.1 height x 61.7 width
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post #6912 of 8349
1/21/12 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by poobbubes View Post

As long as you're using HDMI port 1 it should be enabled. More than likely you need to enable it on your receiver.

nope i figured it out

It had to be on TV setting for input

now if someone could tell me if it is possible to actually enable 5.1 instead of just stereo ???? I have a 5.1 setup however i only get 2 speakers to work
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post #6913 of 8349
1/21/12 at 1:55pm
With two days of use under my belt I am blown away with this TV, coming from a Sony XBR910.

Ran the D-Nice burn in procedure and when it was done and I started watching content I was pleased. Then I realized I forgot to change the settings from the burn-in and wow, holy poop, it got an order of magnitude better, it is absolutely stunning.

Kudos to D-Nice for the effort and sharing of information, what I difference those settings made.

I wonder how many people just turn it on OoB and go with that?

Thanks.
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post #6914 of 8349
1/21/12 at 2:20pm
I just pulled the trigger on a P42ST30. My first HD set!

Now for the HDMI cables... what variety do I need? Are the "High Speed" ones at Monoprice sufficient to handle the TV's capabilities? (My only HDMI devices right now are a first-gen HD Roku, and a TiVo Premier XL. No BluRay, and the receiver doesn't do HDMI.)
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post #6915 of 8349
1/21/12 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post


nope i figured it out

It had to be on TV setting for input

now if someone could tell me if it is possible to actually enable 5.1 instead of just stereo ???? I have a 5.1 setup however i only get 2 speakers to work

I would also like to know if this is possible
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post #6916 of 8349
1/21/12 at 4:40pm
coming up on the 100 hours now..im going to have it professionally calibrated
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post #6917 of 8349
1/21/12 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

All of below are IMHO, of course:

1) Find the speakers adequate for casual tv viewing: News shows, talk shows & such. You probably won't be happy with them for Movies or, or course, any time you are looking for a Hi-Fi Surround Sound Experience...

2) Yes. Although it remains open as to whether or not YOU will actually NOTICE any such flaws - whether due to you own "Sensitivity" to them, or the level to which they present themselves on your particular set. Reading owner reviews - for example on Amazon - clearly shows that the VAST majority of owners LOVE their sets...

3) You gave one reason: We don't know what - if any - problems might show on the ST50s. Second: You will have to wait, at least for some weeks, before they show up in stores. Third: It will be a while before ST50 prices reach the discounts available on ST30 sets...

Thanks for the reply. For movies I usually use my headphone set up so I'm thinking I can probably live with the ST30 speakers. My big dilema is 46" vs. 50" and if I ultimately do choose 50", do I wait or pull the trigger right away on the ST50. I'm worried if I wait too long to decide though, the 46" won't be available if I do end up wanting it.
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post #6918 of 8349
1/21/12 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by 1python1 View Post

coming up on the 100 hours now..im going to have it professionally calibrated

i called a professional calibrator service, told him about my 60 ST30.. He said this TV is not worth calibrating
The VT or GT series is more better suited.
I wouldnt waste your money on it.. It is going to cost you 250-300.00.

I found some good settings i am content with , slightly off Dnice settings... with better black levels and contrast. I did not care for his settings due to no blacks low contrast and skin tones made peopole look like zombies even though it was probably accurate to some point.. anyway I bought a diseney Wow calibration disc.. I returned the disc after 2 days since the calibration was no help really coming from Dnice settings since the brightness and contrast levels were already there.. The only thing that helped was wearing the glasses to determine the tint levels and adjusting from there. The Tint levels were off on Dnice settings after 100 hour breakin and calibration. Bringing the AGC+2 helped to obtain the 33 brightness with great blacks and bringing it to -8 tint made all my tint colors even on the calibration disc.. Now you might want to consider just buying a calibration disc from amazon. Wow is the best out there. i just returned it because in 6-7 months i will be getting the VT50 and using my eye1 to calibrate with spectracal for now on.. That is the only way to go.. I have a NEC 2690 computer monitor that i use to calibrate with my eye1 through spectraview software ., Its so easy and quick with great results. It adjusts all the internal hardware settings within the monitor without using windows software or just using software to adjust colors. This I am sure this is what the spectracal software will do for me with the VT50 by adjusting internal hardware settings to calibrate through the software. You can buy a eye1 and calibrate your computer monitor but most monitors will only let you adjust through software to get your calibrated results.. My computer monitor is a rare exception since NEC only offered this but was a high price.

I ended up using everything what Dnice used but this
contrast 80
brightness 33
tint -8
same dnice settings on pro settings except
AGC+2
mid panel brightness

btw if you have anything smaller then a 60" ST then you might get slightly higher black levels since its been said on here many times the panels larger then 55" put out a better black


btw can anyone tell me if ARC can output 5.1 sound? I am a newbie at this function and want to get 5.1 on viera applications i.e. netflix
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post #6919 of 8349
1/21/12 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by svgtom View Post


Thanks for the reply. For movies I usually use my headphone set up so I'm thinking I can probably live with the ST30 speakers. My big dilema is 46" vs. 50" and if I ultimately do choose 50", do I wait or pull the trigger right away on the ST50. I'm worried if I wait too long to decide though, the 46" won't be available if I do end up wanting it.

You will pay considerably more for the st50...prices wont drop for a while
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post #6920 of 8349
1/21/12 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by mikeyraw View Post

You will pay considerably more for the st50...prices wont drop for a while

I got my ST30 60" for 1099.00 at frys , amazon price matched to 1149.00 , 3 weeks ago. The cool part is in 7 months im sure i will get 1k for it when i upgrade to my VT 50.. I might just keep it idk.. I need something big for my master since its about 18x18 , however i would prefer a 55". The new 2012 sets will be a whole lot better then the 2011 models. Blacks, color , white level and style, thinner bezel.

Its going to be awhile before the 2012s come out. I would say AUG 2012 might be a good time to buy or the 2-3rd week of sept.



Of course if you look out every day you might be able to get a good deal. I tend to look at dealnews.com everyday
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post #6921 of 8349
1/21/12 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

i called a professional calibrator service, told him about my 60 ST30.. He said this TV is not worth calibrating
The VT or GT series is more better suited.
I wouldnt waste your money on it.. It is going to cost you 250-300.00.

I found some good settings i am content with , slightly off Dnice settings... with better black levels and contrast. I did not care for his settings due to no blacks low contrast and skin tones made peopole look like zombies even though it was probably accurate to some point.. anyway I bought a diseney Wow calibration disc.. I returned the disc after 2 days since the calibration was no help really coming from Dnice settings since the brightness and contrast levels were already there.. The only thing that helped was wearing the glasses to determine the tint levels and adjusting from there. The Tint levels were off on Dnice settings after 100 hour breakin and calibration. Bringing the AGC+2 helped to obtain the 33 brightness with great blacks and bringing it to -8 tint made all my tint colors even on the calibration disc.. Now you might want to consider just buying a calibration disc from amazon. Wow is the best out there. i just returned it because in 6-7 months i will be getting the VT50 and using my eye1 to calibrate with spectracal for now on.. That is the only way to go.. I have a NEC 2690 computer monitor that i use to calibrate with my eye1 through spectraview software ., Its so easy and quick with great results. It adjusts all the internal hardware settings within the monitor without using windows software or just using software to adjust colors. This I am sure this is what the spectracal software will do for me with the VT50 by adjusting internal hardware settings to calibrate through the software. You can buy a eye1 and calibrate your computer monitor but most monitors will only let you adjust through software to get your calibrated results.. My computer monitor is a rare exception since NEC only offered this but was a high price.

I ended up using everything what Dnice used but this
contrast 80
brightness 33
tint -8
same dnice settings on pro settings except
AGC+2
mid panel brightness

btw if you have anything smaller then a 60" ST then you might get slightly higher black levels since its been said on here many times the panels larger then 55" put out a better black


btw can anyone tell me if ARC can output 5.1 sound? I am a newbie at this function and want to get 5.1 on viera applications i.e. netflix

thanks for the info..i already have the spears and munsil high definition benchmark blu-ray edition..should i just use that?
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post #6922 of 8349
1/21/12 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by atlauren View Post

I just pulled the trigger on a P42ST30. My first HD set!

Now for the HDMI cables... what variety do I need? Are the "High Speed" ones at Monoprice sufficient to handle the TV's capabilities? (My only HDMI devices right now are a first-gen HD Roku, and a TiVo Premier XL. No BluRay, and the receiver doesn't do HDMI.)

Those will be fine. Enjoy your ST30!
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post #6923 of 8349
1/21/12 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by 1python1 View Post

thanks for the info..i already have the spears and munsil high definition benchmark blu-ray edition..should i just use that?

Use Dnice settings for the ST30.. Then play with panel brightness. I like Mid instead of low.. Also try my settings out. Try to keep your brightness at 30-40 and increase your AGC +2. Just looks alot better for me.. Then use the glasses to make sure your tint level is even on your calibration disc. Yes just use the disc to calibrate . Dnice settings are pretty good and are spot on. I just found that the tint levels were off using the diseney wow disc.
It would be a waste of money to calibrate professionally unless you can get it done for 100-150.00. From what i know it cost 250-300. The VT series is really only made to be professionally calibrated. I plan on spending the extra money to get the VT50 now since the spectracal can be used through the RS232 port.. You can even use the eye1. I like the fact you can recalibrate in 10-15 min and even after 1000 hours your tv will drift colors and blacks. So this is the best way to do it if you are a video phile and want the best colors like it was meant to be seen.
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post #6924 of 8349
1/21/12 at 8:05pm
A professional calibration is NOT a waste of money of you want an accurate picture...be it an ST30 or any other display.
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post #6925 of 8349
1/21/12 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by RedOctober205 View Post

A professional calibration is NOT a waste of money of you want an accurate picture...be it an ST30 or any other display.

Its a waste of money if you own anything less than a VT panasonic

Unless you have money to burn do it then
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post #6926 of 8349
1/21/12 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post


Its a waste of money if you own anything less than a VT panasonic

Unless you have money to burn do it then

That is completely and totally false. Please avoid offering such horrible advice.
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post #6927 of 8349
1/21/12 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Its a waste of money if you own anything less than a VT panasonic

Unless you have money to burn do it then

that statement is baseless and wrong. you listen to one calibrator? the fact is that the ST and GT are worth calibrating and it makes a marked difference to PQ.

your calibration settings you posted kinda say you dont really know a good picture. MID panel brightness is flawed, it whacks the color, gamma..etc.. also using MID does apply to D-Nice's settings at all. 33 for brightness? somewhere around 54 is correct. also most dont use AGC, why would you? you might as well put the black extender on +5 as well.
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post #6928 of 8349
1/21/12 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Its a waste of money if you own anything less than a VT panasonic

Unless you have money to burn do it then

Completely untrue if you want accuracy. Just doing grayscale calibration alone is huge. Grayscale is the backbone of your image and color.
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post #6929 of 8349
1/21/12 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post


that statement is baseless and wrong. you listen to one calibrator? the fact is that the ST and GT are worth calibrating and it makes a marked difference to PQ.

your calibration settings you posted kinda say you dont really know a good picture. MID panel brightness is flawed, it whacks the color, gamma..etc.. also using MID does apply to D-Nice's settings at all. 33 for brightness? somewhere around 54 is correct. also most dont use AGC, why would you? you might as well put the black extender on +5 as well.

It was probably a BB/Geek Squad "calibrator" that gave him such poor advice.
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post #6930 of 8349
1/21/12 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

that statement is baseless and wrong. you listen to one calibrator? the fact is that the ST and GT are worth calibrating and it makes a marked difference to PQ.

your calibration settings you posted kinda say you dont really know a good picture. MID panel brightness is flawed, it whacks the color, gamma..etc.. also using MID does apply to D-Nice's settings at all. 33 for brightness? somewhere around 54 is correct. also most dont use AGC, why would you? you might as well put the black extender on +5 as well.

I used the diseney Wow disc and found AGC+2 with 33 brightness was optimal for black level. Which worked well for contrast and brightness. The tint level was way off with Dnice settings. This was looking through the glasses that came with the disc. Sorry but i wouldnt waste the money on calibrating the ST30 professionally or the GT30. Get the VT series then its worth it. This advice came from a professional calibrating service in my area that calibrates TVs , graphics monitors. http://www.listenup.com/support/ISF.php

the ST30 is not a high quality ISF display suited for calibration by a professional unless you have money to burn. You might have only a slight increase in visual quality which i doubt anyone would really notice. I believe the Samsung 7k and 8k series plasmas are worth hiring a ISF calibration
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