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post #7891 of 8439
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Originally Posted by mike171979 View Post

Hey guys, I purchased my 55" ST30 in January, and I've noticed that bright or dark colors sometimes bleed across my screen. I never notice it during regular programming. Only on the attached Preview pages.

I thought it might be a Bluray problem or a cable problem, but I took the Bluray player and cable from my bedroom and hooked it all up, and the exact same thing happens.

It doesn't happen on my Bedroom TV, a Panny 42" 1080p PZ85.

BTW I love my 55" ST30 despite this slight issue, and since during normal playback its been perfect so far, theres no way I'm taking it back or anything because of this issue.

It's known as line bleed and completely normal on all 2011 Panasonics.
post #7892 of 8439
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Originally Posted by agent8 View Post

Can someone tell me at least if the mounting holes are somewhat equil distances from top to bottom. I've been looking everywhere for a picture of the back of a 65"st to see but can't find anything. Measurments would be awesome but I realize that everyone is busy enjoying their tvs! LOL

I have a 55" so not sure how much this will help you. The mounting holes are not equal distance from top and bottom edges though.

These are not exact.
From bottom to bottom holes 7.5"
From bottom holes to top holes 12"
From top holes to top of set 13.5"

I'm over an inch somewhere in those numbers.
post #7893 of 8439
Thank you, that gives me some idea how the mounting will be. I image the 65" would be similar. Getting a little worried about IR when watching widescreen movies. Do people usually just stretch it out or will those black bars on the top and bottom stay there forever?
post #7894 of 8439
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Originally Posted by agent8 View Post

Thank you, that gives me some idea how the mounting will be. I image the 65" would be similar. Getting a little worried about IR when watching widescreen movies. Do people usually just stretch it out or will those black bars on the top and bottom stay there forever?

This is my first plasma. I'm coming from a CRT and I too am terrified of burn in and IR so I am attempting to do what I can to reduce likelihood. There's a ton of information and advice on AVS so read up. Here's what I, an inexperienced amateur, am doing based off my understanding of what I've read.

The DNice slides are stated to not be break in or IR likelihood reduction. I did them for the calibration prep but it also ages the set 100hrs which should help some. I'm prolly being overly careful but I am staying far away from any black bars, channel logos, tickers, score boards, etc completely for now... I get off the static images as fast as possible (2 weeks in). My HD cable channels, as far as I can quickly tell, all have channel logos. I've been 95% netflix streaming and blue rays thus far (being careful to set the format/zoom to get rid of any bars; watch for top and bottom bars too). I'm trying to get past 200 hours, which I probably am, but I need to check the TV clock to be sure.

I will soon be watching the cable channels again and watching for IR like a hawk. If it shows up I'll be running a pixel washer to try to get rid of it ASAP. Since I've not gone through IR yet, I have no idea how often I will be doing this or how long a static image is kewl. I do keep the TV's auto sleep on, once in a blue moon it'll give me the going to sleep in a few minutes message; any remote button will reset it.

There's a lot of debate on preventing IR. Some say the slide procedure and length of time ageing the television I'm doing is way over kill and people should just go enjoy the set. I'm simply not going to find out. I think the 4 days of DNice slides is not a big deal and being careful for a while is not a big deal either. I am enjoying my set immensely even though I've been strict about what content. How much torture is pure 1080P really? Well after the slides. For me it's some peace of mind plus if something goes wrong I know I've done what I can within what I think is reasonable (but it's making me look at the drawback compared to CRT's but that's another "Holy wall of text batman" post)

It's reported that burn in and IR is greatly reduced on newer model year sets (knock on wood). And as a general rule of thumb IR is more likely early in a sets life (first 100-300 hours), so age that thing. Plus you want to age it to look for problems while you are still within your return period which is another vote for quickly ageing.

Good luck; hope you enjoy your new set as much as my household is enjoying ours.
post #7895 of 8439
So I was going to post about how happy I was with my new set... No noticeable blobs or isses. Then last night the right side of my panel starts freaking out. Happens on 360, TV and also with the scrolling bar.

I'm 2 weeks in. Knowing I've avoided the main issues so far should I try to get it repaired or just go for a replacement?
LL
post #7896 of 8439
This thread is filled with posts that are giving me buyers remorse and mine won't be here till tomorrow. That 70" sharp is looking pretty good right now.

If mine happens to work, can someone explain the hdmi to me as far as going the other way. I will be using hdmi from my blu-ray to my 7.2 Denon receiver then to the tv. If I stream directly to the tv or do the dnla thing to the tv, will the tv send the audio signal back through the hdmi to the receiver or will it only play audio from the tv's speakers?
post #7897 of 8439
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Originally Posted by agent8 View Post

This thread is filled with posts that are giving me buyers remorse and mine won't be here till tomorrow. That 70" sharp is looking pretty good right now.

If mine happens to work, can someone explain the hdmi to me as far as going the other way. I will be using hdmi from my blu-ray to my 7.2 Denon receiver then to the tv. If I stream directly to the tv or do the dnla thing to the tv, will the tv send the audio signal back through the hdmi to the receiver or will it only play audio from the tv's speakers?

If it is any solace I've had my 55ST30 for about a week and it is stellar IMO
post #7898 of 8439
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Originally Posted by darkandlong View Post

So I was going to post about how happy I was with my new set... No noticeable blobs or isses. Then last night the right side of my panel starts freaking out. Happens on 360, TV and also with the scrolling bar.

I'm 2 weeks in. Knowing I've avoided the main issues so far should I try to get it repaired or just go for a replacement?

I have the same thing and was told it was a panel uniformity problem during manufacturing. You may want to exchange it. Having your picture settings out of balance will worsen the effect. I decided to keep mine rather than take my luck with a worse problem. I found out playing with the settings, which settings made it happen and which ones made it go away. Too low brightness setting compared to contrast for your panel will cause it to happen. So will Warm 1 or 2 when associated with a out of limits color setting will cause it. Go to the ST30 DYI thread and try some of the latter settings, especially mine, and see if that works for you. It worked for me and I have great PQ as well.
post #7899 of 8439
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

I have the same thing and was told it was a panel uniformity problem during manufacturing. You may want to exchange it. Having your picture settings out of balance will worsen the effect. I decided to keep mine rather than take my luck with a worse problem. I found out playing with the settings, which settings made it happen and which ones made it go away. Too low brightness setting compared to contrast for your panel will cause it to happen. So will Warm 1 or 2 when associated with a out of limits color setting will cause it. Go to the ST30 DYI thread and try some of the latter settings, especially mine, and see if that works for you. It worked for me and I have great PQ as well.

Jimmy's settings look great, the best I've tried yet, on my set.
post #7900 of 8439
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

I have the same thing and was told it was a panel uniformity problem during manufacturing. You may want to exchange it. Having your picture settings out of balance will worsen the effect. I decided to keep mine rather than take my luck with a worse problem. I found out playing with the settings, which settings made it happen and which ones made it go away. Too low brightness setting compared to contrast for your panel will cause it to happen. So will Warm 1 or 2 when associated with a out of limits color setting will cause it. Go to the ST30 DYI thread and try some of the latter settings, especially mine, and see if that works for you. It worked for me and I have great PQ as well.

Damn, the panel? Really? I was hoping it might be a board. I hunted for a 13XX serial just to try and avoid all the issues... Then when I opened it up and couldn't find any green blobs or pink tint I thought I was in the clear.

I've been running on stock Cinema settings and was about to switch to the recommended settings as I was nearing the end of the 100 hours.

Does anyone know if I get Panny to swap it if I can try for a more recent build? Local Costco only has one with a low 12XX serial number left.
post #7901 of 8439
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Originally Posted by darkandlong View Post


Damn, the panel? Really? I was hoping it might be a board. I hunted for a 13XX serial just to try and avoid all the issues... Then when I opened it up and couldn't find any green blobs or pink tint I thought I was in the clear.

I've been running on stock Cinema settings and was about to switch to the recommended settings as I was nearing the end of the 100 hours.

Does anyone know if I get Panny to swap it if I can try for a more recent build? Local Costco only has one with a low 12XX serial number left.

Well it sounds like most of the sets have been fixed for FBr, so it doesn't matter what your serial # is anymore. Even if by any chance you get one that hasn't had the fix, Panny will be right out to fix it. Now, that doesn't mean you won't get one with the green and pink blobs or a buzzer. That's why I was glad I could calibrate the effects of the uniformity problem to disappear and not be a problem. It's a hard choice I know. I can't take mine back now but I have 7 more months to refer it to Panny. You are the only other one to report it on here. It took a long time for anybody to respond to my post about it.
post #7902 of 8439
What is the 3D experience supposed to be like?

I have the BluRay, the TV (55ST30), and the glasses. While there is certainly depth, nothing is popping out at me. I've had 3 people over to watch the TV in 3D, and all 3 were basically like "That's 3D? I wouldn't pay extra for that" which is how I feel as well. I was assuming I would be wow-ed by it.

Is 3D supposed to just be a little added depth, or should I feel like the space between me and the TV are filled?

Right now things are just barely out in front of the TV.
post #7903 of 8439
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Originally Posted by YardleyBill View Post

What is the 3D experience supposed to be like?

I have the BluRay, the TV (55ST30), and the glasses. While there is certainly depth, nothing is popping out at me. I've had 3 people over to watch the TV in 3D, and all 3 were basically like "That's 3D? I wouldn't pay extra for that" which is how I feel as well. I was assuming I would be wow-ed by it.

Is 3D supposed to just be a little added depth, or should I feel like the space between me and the TV are filled?

Right now things are just barely out in front of the TV.

A lot can depend on the actual 3d movie itself. Check out the reviews here:

http://www.blu-ray.com/3d/

If however you are just talking about the 2d to 3d conversion feature, well, that's never going to blow you away.
post #7904 of 8439
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Originally Posted by WayneNumm View Post

A lot can depend on the actual 3d movie itself. Check out the reviews here:

http://www.blu-ray.com/3d/

If however you are just talking about the 2d to 3d conversion feature, well, that's never going to blow you away.

This is a FULL-HD Blu Ray.

For example, in the Lion King 3D that is reviewed on this site, it list two scenes that come off the screen.

On my TV, it looks like it just stops at the screen.

That's why I am wondering what others experience. Like do you feel like it is right in front of you and you could touch it?
post #7905 of 8439
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Originally Posted by YardleyBill View Post

This is a FULL-HD Blu Ray.

For example, in the Lion King 3D that is reviewed on this site, it list two scenes that come off the screen.

On my TV, it looks like it just stops at the screen.

That's why I am wondering what others experience. Like do you feel like it is right in front of you and you could touch it?

It is largely source dependant and not totally immersive, if you are expecting that then you are probably going to be disappointed. Also I think the implementation on the ST30 for 3d is more natural looking compared to the 2010 GT25 which I owned at one time. Just keep in mind you are getting an improved 2d picture on most 3d sets as a side benefit to the technology.

The 2d to 3d on the Panny's is underwhelming, to get the true effect you really need a 3d movie like Avatar that is a pretty cool immersive experience. If you are using a Sony blu-ray or PS3 for 3d they have some really cool demo material you can download.
post #7906 of 8439
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It is largely source dependant and not totally immersive, if you are expecting that then you are probably going to be disappointed. Also I think the implementation on the ST30 for 3d is more natural looking compared to the 2010 GT25 which I owned at one time. Just keep in mind you are getting an improved 2d picture on most 3d sets as a side benefit to the technology.

The 2d to 3d on the Panny's is underwhelming, to get the true effect you really need a 3d movie like Avatar that is a pretty cool immersive experience. If you are using a Sony blu-ray or PS3 for 3d they have some really cool demo material you can download.

I agree with everything you stated. I am using a PS3, and I am curious where I can download the 3D demo stuff you are referring to.

Thanks,
post #7907 of 8439
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post

I agree with everything you stated. I am using a PS3, and I am curious where I can download the 3D demo stuff you are referring to.

Thanks,

I believe it is "Sony 3d World", shows up as an app on my Sony Blu-ray player, there is also some free stuff on "Video Unlimted" which used to be the old Qrocity app I believe.
post #7908 of 8439
Quick question:

I haven't noticed any green or pink blobs on my 60ST30 yet (It's probably about 200 hrs in now, with 100 of those being slide prep), but from Day 1 I have noticed that the very far right vertical row of pixels are always green and the very far left vertical row of pixels are always purplish/pink. Now, this is only visible if you are standing within a few inches of the screen so it isn't a big deal at all (it is a single row of pixels afterall), but I'm wondering if (a) this is normal and (b) what, if anything, this may mean for this display's future.
post #7909 of 8439
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Originally Posted by gb2319 View Post

Quick question:

I haven't noticed any green or pink blobs on my 60ST30 yet (It's probably about 200 hrs in now, with 100 of those being slide prep), but from Day 1 I have noticed that the very far right vertical row of pixels are always green and the very far left vertical row of pixels are always purplish/pink. Now, this is only visible if you are standing within a few inches of the screen so it isn't a big deal at all (it is a single row of pixels afterall), but I'm wondering if (a) this is normal and (b) what, if anything, this may mean for this display's future.

Are you using HD Size 1 or 2 ?
post #7910 of 8439
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Are you using HD Size 1 or 2 ?

Both. I'll usually use size 1 on cable content, and size 2 on Blu-Ray. The first time I noticed it was on the prep slides, and I was using the default size setting there at the time (which I believe is Size 1).

As far as I can tell, it shows up that way on either size setting.
post #7911 of 8439
I've had my 55ST30 for a few weeks now but something has been annoying me from the start. Sometimes I can see bright colors separate out into the three pixel colors during movement. This is mostly noticeable when I move while looking at the TV. So say there's a bright whitish computer screen with the rest of the background dark. If I move, or if the scene moves quickly, I'll see red/blue/green instead of white around the edges. I've tried various sources and it happens on all of them, even on the TV menus.

This seems to be different than line bleeding, but I haven't been able to find anything about it. Not sure if it's normal and I'm just especially sensitive to it or if it's a problem with my TV.
post #7912 of 8439
Mine is supposed to come in a half an hour. After reading all this I'm not sure I am going to have time in the 10 minutes they give me to look for all these green blobs, pink tints, dead pixels, cracked screens, build dates,fluctuating brightness issues, bunk 3-d, blinking lights and instant shut downs. But I hear it's a great tv.

Now, let's see if my wife is strong enough to lift one end since the driver is likley going to just sit there....
post #7913 of 8439
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Originally Posted by agent8 View Post

Mine is supposed to come in a half an hour. After reading all this I'm not sure I am going to have time in the 10 minutes they give me to look for all these green blobs, pink tints, dead pixels, cracked screens, build dates,fluctuating brightness issues, bunk 3-d, blinking lights and instant shut downs. But I hear it's a great tv.

Now, let's see if my wife is strong enough to lift one end since the driver is likley going to just sit there....

The FBR should be fixed unless you somehow get an older build. Mine was a nov build and had the fix already applied. The 3d is improved over the 2010 models imo. Definitely check for cracks etc.
post #7914 of 8439
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It is largely source dependant and not totally immersive, if you are expecting that then you are probably going to be disappointed.

I think that is what everyone who has gotten a demo from me has been expecting.

You see all these commercials where everyone on the couch is reaching out to a fish or a spear right in front of them. And I have seen NOTHING even remotely like that from the TV so far.

And people talk in reviews about being "immersed" or something "fills the room". Why do they say that if it doesn't happen?

I just wanted to see if I was missing something (aka had something configured wrong) but it sounds like I am not. A shame, really.

I think it's all set up right because the TV and the BluRay player (BDT-220) both see each other and talk to each other.
post #7915 of 8439
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Originally Posted by gb2319 View Post

Quick question:

I haven't noticed any green or pink blobs on my 60ST30 yet (It's probably about 200 hrs in now, with 100 of those being slide prep), but from Day 1 I have noticed that the very far right vertical row of pixels are always green and the very far left vertical row of pixels are always purplish/pink. Now, this is only visible if you are standing within a few inches of the screen so it isn't a big deal at all (it is a single row of pixels afterall), but I'm wondering if (a) this is normal and (b) what, if anything, this may mean for this display's future.

It has to do with the subpixel layout. Each pixel is made up of three subpixels. A blue, red and green in that order from left to right. So at times you will see an edge shadow like you describe. It should show up more on a larger display.
post #7916 of 8439
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Originally Posted by YardleyBill View Post

I think that is what everyone who has gotten a demo from me has been expecting.

You see all these commercials where everyone on the couch is reaching out to a fish or a spear right in front of them. And I have seen NOTHING even remotely like that from the TV so far.

And people talk in reviews about being "immersed" or something "fills the room". Why do they say that if it doesn't happen?

I just wanted to see if I was missing something (aka had something configured wrong) but it sounds like I am not. A shame, really.

I think it's all set up right because the TV and the BluRay player (BDT-220) both see each other and talk to each other.

I've been more than impressed with 3D on this set. I had my mom put the 3D glasses on while Rio was playing, and the very first thing she did was reach out like she was going to grab one of the birds.

While watching a Harold and Kumar 3D Christmas I flinched a couple times because it felt like I was about to be hit by something flying out of the screen.

And don't even get me started on playing Resistance 3 for PS3 in 3D. That was nearly a life changing experience.

It promises 3D, not virtual reality. It looks just as impressive as Avatar did in IMAX 3D (just on a much smaller scale) to me.
post #7917 of 8439
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

It has to do with the subpixel layout. Each pixel is made up of three subpixels. A blue, red and green in that order from left to right. So at times you will see an edge shadow like you describe. It should show up more on a larger display.

Thank you.
post #7918 of 8439
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Originally Posted by probeh View Post

I've had my 55ST30 for a few weeks now but something has been annoying me from the start. Sometimes I can see bright colors separate out into the three pixel colors during movement. This is mostly noticeable when I move while looking at the TV. So say there's a bright whitish computer screen with the rest of the background dark. If I move, or if the scene moves quickly, I'll see red/blue/green instead of white around the edges. I've tried various sources and it happens on all of them, even on the TV menus.

This seems to be different than line bleeding, but I haven't been able to find anything about it. Not sure if it's normal and I'm just especially sensitive to it or if it's a problem with my TV.

It's one of the forms of phosphor lag. You get a blue/white/green(or whatever) effect if you move your eyes quickly across the screen or wave your hand in front of the screen, it's a normal condition. I notice being a little more pronounced on my ST30 than my G10, but really don't see it much. The G10 was bad when new and now it's much better with two years on it.
post #7919 of 8439
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Originally Posted by YardleyBill View Post

I think that is what everyone who has gotten a demo from me has been expecting.

You see all these commercials where everyone on the couch is reaching out to a fish or a spear right in front of them. And I have seen NOTHING even remotely like that from the TV so far.

And people talk in reviews about being "immersed" or something "fills the room". Why do they say that if it doesn't happen?

I just wanted to see if I was missing something (aka had something configured wrong) but it sounds like I am not. A shame, really.

I think it's all set up right because the TV and the BluRay player (BDT-220) both see each other and talk to each other.

What have you viewed so far? Lion King was not very impressive to me, compared to Imax stuff. I think you just haven't seen anything that has been well-done in 3D. I too was impressed with the 3D capability of this set. i didn't buy it for that reason though, it was just an added bonus. I still have yet to make the investment in my own glasses yet, so that tells you how important it is to me. I think as more and more content is created with 3D in mind, the effects will continue to improve.
post #7920 of 8439
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

It's one of the forms of phosphor lag. You get a blue/white/green(or whatever) effect if you move your eyes quickly across the screen or wave your hand in front of the screen, it's a normal condition. I notice being a little more pronounced on my ST30 than my G10, but really don't see it much. The G10 was bad when new and now it's much better with two years on it.

Makes sense. I had a feeling it was normal so thanks for the confirmation. I've already stopped noticing it most of the time anyway, but just wanted to make sure it wasn't a real problem.
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