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post #211 of 8436
So far I have only seen the 55D7000, it is my opinion that this is the best 3D LED set, I watched 3D and saw no crosstalk and the glasses are very light weight.
post #212 of 8436
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Originally Posted by nahtanoj View Post

How does one perform a lag test, other than the haphazard method of playing games as I've done.

Also, as a phenomenon, if a TV has a lag of X, is the effect on every game and from every platform (Xbox360 vs. PS3 especially) identical, or are there other factors involved.

Let's say that you play 2 games back to back on the same system. One game requires very little time for the graphics processing to be received by the TV (I think lag is different than pixel redrawing, but correct me if I'm wrong), and the other games graphics require much more texture mapping, shadow detail, etc. Does that mean that X lag in game A will be the same as X lag in game B?

While that some games load more slowly on the platform itself challenging platform graphics hardware to a greater extent, would more complex information being fed to the TV when moving on screen or when shooting (the actions where lag is usually noticed) effect lag at all?

One reason that I'm asking is that I cannot create lag with the games I've tried regardless of the settings. I don't want to mistakenly conclude (and lead people to the conclusion) that therre's no lag if it is somewhat dependent on the complexity of the graphics processing or something else with the game).

Yes, lets say a TV has 30 milliseconds of input lag in game mode. This mean there will be a 30 millisecond delay on all all games. Basically your xbox/PS3 sends the video signal to the TV. Then TV takes that image and processes it to make it look better. This is where the lag comes from. The more your TV manipulates the image, the more lag is added. The reason game mode's degrade the image quality is because the TV is doing less image processing to reduce the lag. Some TVs do this better then others. Samsungs are notorious for not being good.

The Rock Band and Guitar Hero lag test are really not that accurate but better then nothing.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1229335064

If you wanted to accurately test the TV you would need a camera and a computer. The most accurate way to do this test is to use an old CRT monitor but I know most people dont have those laying around. I know I dont. You could just use a laptop and that would give people a great idea of what the input lag is.

So basically open this page on your web browser...
http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html

Then plug your computer into your TV. Clone your computer's image onto both your computer screen and your TV.

Now press play on that web page. Then get your camera and take a few pictures. Make sure you get both screens in the picture. Also put your shutter speed up on your camera if you can.

The pictures will probably show your computers Screen is ahead of the TV's. We just look at the numbers and this will give us a very good idea of what the tvs input lag is. Also don't forget to test it in game mode to get the lowest possible.
post #213 of 8436
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

well the 55D7000 and 55D8000 are on amazon for sale. Wonder how much longer until the 65 inch shows up.

Despite some companies (Sears) reportedly having 65 incher for July for now I am bit more careful about this as Samsung itself never confirmed the 65 is coming. 60" is only in D8000 and looks like a flagship.
post #214 of 8436
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Originally Posted by Fleury View Post

100 ms is pretty atrocious. You must either not play online alot or not play at high level. No way anyone can be good with that amount of input lag.

You must be the bestest evarz!!?11!

I played Killzone 3 Warzone mode last night. Was 1st place on our team with our team winning 4 : 3. My "atrocious" input lag and low level of play certainly helped me...

Look, not bragging, but that was the result. Besides, I don't play to be the best, I play to have fun. I don't even know why you're making such a fuss about something I don't notice.

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Anyways, for those of you who have followed this TV since the beginning, did Sammy promise a touchscreen remote to be included or was it only the app that they released?

https://market.android.com/details?i...msung.remoteTV
post #215 of 8436
I will take pictures of mine this weekend. I love this tv. Even on the default settings it still looked more colorful than the Sony 720 I have. I looked over the menus and smart hub but because it took me a while to rebuild my pc i just haven't had anytime to dig deep. So far this is the best (Led/Lcd) I've owned. Only complaint is no 3d glasses so i can't test 3d. I submitted the online forms for the glasses and qwerty remote and if I remember right it said 8 to 10 weeks
post #216 of 8436
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

Despite some companies (Sears) reportedly having 65 incher for July for now I am bit more careful about this as Samsung itself never confirmed the 65 is coming. 60" is only in D8000 and looks like a flagship.

Last years 65" C8000 was originally scheduled for July 2010 but never arrived until the fall and in extremely low volume keeping the prices up and the feedback for the past 5 months has been pathetic on this forum for whatever reason and seemingly opposite of the 55" & < models.

These folks have been paying over $5K and the end result has not been very positive with numerous owners processing returns. I like the D8000 because the silver bezel is so thin it's barely noticeable - not a fan of silver on any panel unless of course its in my kitchen with the other appliances but this thing almost appears black because of it being so narrow. Truly think Samsung will be forced to lower that 65" pricing as a slew of 65", 70" and 72" competitors come to market. (Sony, Sharp, LG, Toshiba, Vizio)
post #217 of 8436
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

Last years 65" C8000 was originally scheduled for July 2010 but never arrived until the fall and in extremely low volume keeping the prices up and the feedback for the past 5 months has been pathetic on this forum for whatever reason and seemingly opposite of the 55" & < models.

Yes last year 65" saga is not encouraging.

If there is analogy the question is when the 65" C8000 was announced last year? Was it together with
other sizes or later?
post #218 of 8436
Well my 46 d8000 will be here tommorow. Very excited.
post #219 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

Yeah. it seems you're right. the backlight bleeding in 4th image is not so severe. I change it now with darker one at the previous post but it's still not annoying level.

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again.
1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.

As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.

And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.
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post #220 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again.
1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.

As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.

And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.

Hello, freebits:

Think not, but I think there is an improvement in the second photo. I also think like you, and will do well to enjoy the excellent TV.

Would you please make a comment on the viewing angle. In the series "C" undertook much the quality of the image to open the viewing angle.

I am very grateful to move their experiences.

Regards.
post #221 of 8436
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

Last years 65" C8000 was originally scheduled for July 2010 but never arrived until the fall and in extremely low volume keeping the prices up and the feedback for the past 5 months has been pathetic on this forum for whatever reason and seemingly opposite of the 55" & < models.

No dought the 65" was real late, I thought they where just going to drop the idea of a 65".
post #222 of 8436
I need 6ms or less lag or else I can't be competitive. Scratch these of the list I guess.
post #223 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again.
1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.

As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.

And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.

i would not be happy with that not for the money you have to pay for it,
post #224 of 8436
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Originally Posted by earwig View Post

i would not be happy with that not for the money you have to pay for it,

I totally agree. At the price point of a D8000 my expectations are much higher. All the talk and comparisons of micro dimming and micro dimming plus doesn't mean squat if they can't consistently build a panel that doesn't bleed light all the way around the bezel.
post #225 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again.
1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.

As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.

And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.

Hello freebits, can you please show us how to run this test. Thanks
post #226 of 8436
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Originally Posted by topr View Post

I totally agree. At the price point of a D8000 my expectations are much higher. All the talk and comparisons of micro dimming and micro dimming plus doesn't mean squat if they can't consistently build a panel that doesn't bleed light all the way around the bezel.

Does this only happen when the credits are rolling at the end of a movie or if the screen is pitch Black?

As much as I don't like this either, will it really make a difference when watching a full screen image or a movie with Black bars on the top or side?

If you can see the light bleed when watching a widescreen movie that has the bars on top and bottom, this could get annoying but it is' only when there is no signal (as most of the pictures that are posted showing this tend to be on an all black, grey or blue screen almost like there is no signal) then what would it really impact on day to day viewing?

I am just trying to learn the impact this has on actual movie watching?

Thanks!
post #227 of 8436
Freebits, other than that one problem you have found, how do you like the tv so far?
post #228 of 8436
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Originally Posted by f00kies View Post

Thanks for the awesome reviews Jonathan. Just one question for us Canadian buyers: where was the TV made?

to the top...just a friendly reminder if someone can help answer this
This info should be found on the side of the box near the bar code i believe, not sure about behind the pannel.

Thanks!
post #229 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again.
1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.

As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.

And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.

freebits, if i were you, i would demand another replacement. I think I couldnt live with this lack of black uniformity, Because most of movies have this bars up and down, adn this is really annoying. I had this backlight bleeding problem in a 24'' iMac and they had to replace the panel 3 times.
post #230 of 8436
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Originally Posted by the skeptik View Post

I need 6ms or less lag or else I can't be competitive. Scratch these of the list I guess.

Care to share the reliable lag measurement results you have access to?

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Originally Posted by golon32 View Post

freebits, if i were you, i would demand another replacement. I think I couldnt live with this lack of black uniformity, Because most of movies have this bars up and down, adn this is really annoying. I had this backlight bleeding problem in a 24'' iMac and they had to replace the panel 3 times.

He's having problems with gray uniformity, not black. Still an issue, but not as bad.
post #231 of 8436
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Originally Posted by bamin View Post

Hello freebits, can you please show us how to run this test. Thanks

he is using his pc for this, all you would have to do is go into MS paint and make a huge picture of any color you want.

Then save it and reopen it in the gallery and switch to full screen. (that way nothing else is on the tv.

Or you could possibly use youtube and find something that will work.

I cant think of many other ways to completely hide EVERYTHING on the desktop.
post #232 of 8436
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Originally Posted by golon32 View Post

freebits, if i were you, i would demand another replacement. I think I couldnt live with this lack of black uniformity, Because most of movies have this bars up and down, adn this is really annoying. I had this backlight bleeding problem in a 24'' iMac and they had to replace the panel 3 times.

Well, as I post before, the black is different from gray. The attched is black and only mouse cursor is in the center of screen. no backlight bleeding in black. Isn't it interesting?
I have awesome black when watching movie with letterbox.
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post #233 of 8436
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Originally Posted by bamin View Post

Hello freebits, can you please show us how to run this test. Thanks

You can d/l the following software.

http://www.monitor4u.co.kr/ScreenTes..._v323vista.zip

Install it in windows and run the main program.
Then you may click 'full screen color' menu. It have several gray colors like what I've shown here before.

I'd like to see your uniformity as well.
post #234 of 8436
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Originally Posted by fearmomo View Post

Hello, freebits:

Think not, but I think there is an improvement in the second photo. I also think like you, and will do well to enjoy the excellent TV.

Would you please make a comment on the viewing angle. In the series "C" undertook much the quality of the image to open the viewing angle.

I am very grateful to move their experiences.

Regards.

The following link tells us the reviewer's comment on the viewing angle. He says 30 degree is okay but I think I'm fine when it's more then 45.
D7000 is almost identical with D8000 except dimming tech so you can regard it as D8000's capability.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...view?artc_pg=3
post #235 of 8436
Are we able to turn on and off the auto dimming on the Samsung D series sets again? I was able to do that from the service menu in my older Samsung LED.
post #236 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again. 1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.
As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.
And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.

There is no doubt now that old set was damaged. Now the light spill is quite symmetric. The question is how serious this is in normal viewing.

Apart of the edge area backlight is quite uniform. I realized now that by moving LEDs to the sides Samsung made quite a trick improving subjective quality since sides of the display are not so critical.

With black picture LEDs are switched off, no?
post #237 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

Well, as I post before, the black is different from gray. The attched is black and only mouse cursor is in the center of screen. no backlight bleeding in black. Isn't it interesting?
I have awesome black when watching movie with letterbox.

wow! this is quite interesting... i've never seen anything like that...

Anyway, would you please take a picture of a movie with the bars (not in fullscreen) or tell us if you noticed any bleeding with it?
I would be very thankful.

Thank you in advance.
post #238 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again.
1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.

As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.

And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.

holy sh**, is this the best black level the tv can give in an absolute dark room??
post #239 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

Well, as I post before, the black is different from gray. The attched is black and only mouse cursor is in the center of screen. no backlight bleeding in black. Isn't it interesting?
I have awesome black when watching movie with letterbox.

is this picture while watching something or the tv is off?
post #240 of 8436
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Originally Posted by anis_ber View Post

is this picture while watching something or the tv is off?

This picture must be as if he was watching something, it seems it's on his PC input (guessing this cause of the mouse) which would make it like it's on an actual feed.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
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