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post #241 of 8436
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Originally Posted by Dreams View Post

This picture must be as if he was watching something, it seems it's on his PC input (guessing this cause of the mouse) which would make it like it's on an actual feed.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

now what causes the different between the 2 things
1- having bleeding and graying in pic 1
2- having extremely dark picture in pic 2

did he change setting or something?
post #242 of 8436
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Originally Posted by topr View Post


I totally agree. At the price point of a D8000 my expectations are much higher. All the talk and comparisons of micro dimming and micro dimming plus doesn't mean squat if they can't consistently build a panel that doesn't bleed light all the way around the bezel.

The picture on these sets beat any LED I have seen, people pay 5k for n LG backlit set with the worst banding I have ever seen.
post #243 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post


Well, as I post before, the black is different from gray. The attched is black and only mouse cursor is in the center of screen. no backlight bleeding in black. Isn't it interesting?
I have awesome black when watching movie with letterbox.

How often do you watch an all grey screen, in my opinion you should return the set because your expectations are not reasonable.
post #244 of 8436
I agree with meridian on his grey screen input.
post #245 of 8436
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

hmm, today Samsung customer service team took mine and now I got new TV set. I took pictures of it with gray background again.
1st pic is old one and 2nd is new.

As you can see, there's no big enhancement even with new one. Edge is still not uniform gray. It seems inevitable since D8000 is not local dimming.

And now I think it's time to enjoy my TV smartly w/o concerning too much on TV itself.

Maybe you should throw out your camera!
post #246 of 8436
I just purchased a Sony 46NX810. I like it but now I'm considering returning it and getting the new Samsung UN46D8000. Do you think it would be a better picture than the Sony I just purchased?
post #247 of 8436
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Originally Posted by CMPMERIDIAN View Post

The picture on these sets beat any LED I have seen, people pay 5k for n LG backlit set with the worst banding I have ever seen.

Thats what I have been saying, people need to stop hating on the Edge lit stuff, stop focusing so much on what the specs say and trust their eyes. I think Samsung has a big winner on their hands here! I looked at the LG full backlit stuff at CES and it was nowhere near as impressive as these sets
post #248 of 8436
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Originally Posted by insimbi View Post

I just purchased a Sony 46NX810. I like it but now I'm considering returning it and getting the new Samsung UN46D8000. Do you think it would be a better picture than the Sony I just purchased?

I tried out an 810 and the answer to your question is yes. The C8000 blew that Sony away picture-wise so I'm sure the D8000 will destroy it.
post #249 of 8436
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

Well, as I post before, the black is different from gray. The attched is black and only mouse cursor is in the center of screen. no backlight bleeding in black. Isn't it interesting?
I have awesome black when watching movie with letterbox.

This is when LEDs are off, right?

Now the question is if the light spill from edges can be seen when watching some real material in most difficult circumstances? E.g. dark movie scenes in dark room .
post #250 of 8436
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Originally Posted by slowcarboost View Post

I tried out an 810 and the answer to your question is yes. The C8000 blew that Sony away picture-wise so I'm sure the D8000 will destroy it.

I was going to post the same thing.

I had an NX813 (UK NX810) after I'd returned a C8000 and the C8000 was better in every department, except backlight bleed and clouding, which was why it went back.

If I could have guaranteed that I would get a replacement C8000 with no bleed or clouding, I would still have one.
post #251 of 8436
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Originally Posted by mdray View Post

I was going to post the same thing.

I had an NX813 (UK NX810) after I'd returned a C8000 and the C8000 was better in every department, except backlight bleed and clouding, which was why it went back.

If I could have guaranteed that I would get a replacement C8000 with no bleed or clouding, I would still have one.

Actually I may have to go with a C8000 because of funds right now. I wish I could afford the D8000 but it looks like it's not going to happen right now. So the C8000 is that much better than the 810? That's great to hear. I hope I can find a good deal on one today!
post #252 of 8436
The picture is way better on the 8000 than the Sony 810 but I took my C8000 back too due to the busted Automotion Plus in all the C models. That was a dealbreaker for me. if you don't mind turning it on Clear or off when you're watching TV, then you should be ok.
post #253 of 8436
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Originally Posted by insimbi View Post


Actually I may have to go with a C8000 because of funds right now. I wish I could afford the D8000 but it looks like it's not going to happen right now. So the C8000 is that much better than the 810? That's great to hear. I hope I can find a good deal on one today!

I'm gonna buy a C7000 or C8000 as well but in 55". Haven't really seen a decent drop in pieces yet. Maybe since D series is not available everywhere yet. Expecting to see a drop in a month or so. Please PM me if you see good prices and I'll do the same.
post #254 of 8436
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Originally Posted by nahtanoj View Post

Maybe you should throw out your camera!

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some people will gripe about everything.

Can you believe this thread has had over 15,000 views in the few days since you created it? Wow, wow, wow!!!
post #255 of 8436
Well these units are Sexy !!
post #256 of 8436
Would you guys like me to posts some pics when get my d8000 tommorow?
post #257 of 8436
@wkward83
Of course. This would be great. We guys in Germany must wait some more weeks to get this nice TV´s
post #258 of 8436
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Originally Posted by insimbi View Post

I just purchased a Sony 46NX810. I like it but now I'm considering returning it and getting the new Samsung UN46D8000. Do you think it would be a better picture than the Sony I just purchased?

Get the Samsung, this thing is the best tv going.
post #259 of 8436
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Well these units are Sexy !!

These are the best thing going, please see if you can provide a professional review, the 3D I demo'd was very impressive. When I first saw the 55D7000 I wanted to pick it up and take it home in the back of my Honda Civic and it would fit, only weighs 40 pounds. What an excellent design.
post #260 of 8436
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by insimbi View Post

I just purchased a Sony 46NX810. I like it but now I'm considering returning it and getting the new Samsung UN46D8000. Do you think it would be a better picture than the Sony I just purchased?

People can see things differently. Some (probably not on this board) like very saturated colors and don't care if a golf course grass or football field looks like its glowing. That's not to insult them, lots of people do, or stores/factories would make their out of the box TV closer to actual ROYGBIV colors.

I saw the 810, 909 and D8000 at the same store. I was SOLD on the Sony 52HX909. The reduced effect of off angle 3D viewing bothered me, bc I may start watching a movie sitting up, but sometimes I'll lay on the couch and watch on my side. Even when you tilt your head with the Sony 3D, I saw degredation. I didn't see as much difference with off angle/axis viewing, but with the D8000, in my house, and the angle from my kitchen, I though the PQ, brightness and whatever else can be effected in off axis LED/LCD TV viewing wasn't much. I can lay on my couch or tilt my head and 3D is not effected.

The PQ on the 909 and D8000 were different, but both had crappy feeds, they were 30 feet apart, had different lighting, and who knows what kind of adjustments - out of the box, customer changes, who knows. I didn't think that was alone a fair comparison. That said, I thought the Samsung was just unbelievable, I liked the features, the 2D-3D, the number of adjustments, etc.
More than anything, I went in to buy the Sony and walked out with the D8000 and a significantly larger bill. Also, I had looked at many TVs and had paralysis analysis. I looked at the D8000 for 10 minutes and made the decision. I'm not telling anyone to buy anything - everyone has to make a decision. I'm not a plasma hater, a Sony hater or a Samsung fanatic. So this was truly a decision based on the TV.
post #261 of 8436
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Originally Posted by nahtanoj View Post

People can see things differently. Some (probably not on this board) like very saturated colors and don't care if a golf course grass or football field looks like its glowing. That's not to insult them, lots of people do, or stores/factories would make their out of the box TV closer to actual ROYGBIV colors.

I saw the 810, 909 and D8000 at the same store. I was SOLD on the Sony 52HX909. The reduced effect of off angle 3D viewing bothered me, bc I may start watching a movie sitting up, but sometimes I'll lay on the couch and watch on my side. Even when you tilt your head with the Sony 3D, I saw degredation. I didn't see as much difference with off angle/axis viewing, but with the D8000, in my house, and the angle from my kitchen, I though the PQ, brightness and whatever else can be effected in off axis LED/LCD TV viewing wasn't much. I can lay on my couch or tilt my head and 3D is not effected.

The PQ on the 909 and D8000 were different, but both had crappy feeds, they were 30 feet apart, had different lighting, and who knows what kind of adjustments - out of the box, customer changes, who knows. I didn't think that was alone a fair comparison. That said, I thought the Samsung was just unbelievable, I liked the features, the 2D-3D, the number of adjustments, etc.
More than anything, I went in to buy the Sony and walked out with the D8000 and a significantly larger bill. Also, I had looked at many TVs and had paralysis analysis. I looked at the D8000 for 10 minutes and made the decision. I'm not telling anyone to buy anything - everyone has to make a decision. I'm not a plasma hater, a Sony hater or a Samsung fanatic. So this was truly a decision based on the TV.

Good info. Coming from a previous Samsung (4671F) to my now Sony NX810 I can tell a big difference in viewing angle. I really don't care about 3D and haven't even tried it yet. With 2D and my Samsung I could move to the side and still have pretty good contrast. With the NX810, if I move 5 inches off center the colors look completely washed out to me. Thus I am returning the NX810 to get a C8000 instead.
I wish I could go for the D8000 but that's not an option for me right now. Do you think the C8000 will be comparable to the D8000 in regards to 2D picture quality and viewing angle?
post #262 of 8436
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some people will gripe about everything.

Can you believe this thread has had over 15,000 views in the few days since you created it? Wow, wow, wow!!!

I can't. Before I started this thread, I could barely get anyone to answer my questions! It does make me feel good that I've helped people and that others who now own the TV feel the same way. It's a bit scary (for me) to give opinions that might sway someone who ends up dissapointed.

My POV is that if you watch the TV, play games on the TV, network the TV, do whatever you normally do, and it looks great, why go any farther. Again, I completely understand why people look for things and want the best. Maybe it's because I'm past middle age and used to do that very same thing, and drive myself and my wife nuts many times (like with buying cars).

Anyway, thanks BoilerJim for helping keep this one going and for the appreciation. It's probably routine to do what I did with this thread for others, but it's a first for me and pretty cool.
post #263 of 8436
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Originally Posted by insimbi View Post

Good info. Coming from a previous Samsung (4671F) to my now Sony NX810 I can tell a big difference in viewing angle. I really don't care about 3D and haven't even tried it yet. With 2D and my Samsung I could move to the side and still have pretty good contrast. With the NX810, if I move 5 inches off center the colors look completely washed out to me. Thus I am returning the NX810 to get a C8000 instead.
I wish I could go for the D8000 but that's not an option for me right now. Do you think the C8000 will be comparable to the D8000 in regards to 2D picture quality and viewing angle?

I'm not the nest person to ask (if you were asking me). I've heard and read that the C series was great, but as many 2010 models had some technology not yet perfected (which is still I'm sure not perfect). I think the Sony must have something in their panel on the 810 and 909, or the chemistry to just have viewing angle issues. Some of the C series apparently had some non-uniform lighting - some didn't. Some people were affected by it a lot. Some exchanged their Cs, some went to another brand, some I'm sure never even noticed the clouding. It's not so easy to be objective unless you use a test bench full of tools. One can measure black levels (as the Panasonic VT25 apparently started with .04 and then black levels went up over time. Some must have .04. Some don't see it and could care less.

I'm in the middle. Sometimes, I'm just happy if my kids find other stuff to do and I don't have to suffer through Jersey Shore or whatever other drama filled junk. If I can watch TV with my wife when it's quiet, I'm happy.

As long as the store you buy from has a return policy that's more than a couple of days (I prefer 30), if you decide the C is it, I'd buy it, watch it, adjust it, see what you think and be happy. If measuring black levels and lag is what makes you happy with a TV, than do that to, but within the return period. If you like it, don't think about the D series until you can buy one. That's what I'd do anyway.
post #264 of 8436
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Originally Posted by slowcarboost View Post

The picture is way better on the 8000 than the Sony 810 but I took my C8000 back too due to the busted Automotion Plus in all the C models. That was a dealbreaker for me. if you don't mind turning it on Clear or off when you're watching TV, then you should be ok.

The AMP feature doesn't work at all?
post #265 of 8436
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Originally Posted by insimbi View Post

The AMP feature doesn't work at all?

It works but some people have gotten stuttering and picture dropouts. I have a c8000, I had some minor AMP issues but after an firmware update I haven't had any issues since. I don't remember the update#, I find AMP works best for sports and anything shot with video like a morning show. I turn it off for movie watching and gaming.
I should be getting my new D8000 tomorrow, Samsung has new a chip set and improved video processing. I would hope they got the amp fixed altogether this time around.
post #266 of 8436
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Originally Posted by insimbi View Post

The AMP feature doesn't work at all?

It seems to work fine on blu-ray and games(although it does cause more lag than previous years) but on TV, it's a complete mess. It depends what you're watching but on almost anything, you'll see a lot of studdering in the frames. It's not some minor issue that only people on this thread notice. It's very apparent to anyone who watched my TV while I had it. It's like the processor is not strong enough to handle the job it's supposed to do. It works ok when it's on Clear but that's because you're basically taking the judder out of the equation. The picture doesn't look as good in my opinion like that. If you wanna see this issue at it's worst, watch Modern Family tonight with AMP on Standard or Smooth. It's unwatchable. For whatever reason, this show really messes it up. Like I said earlier in this thread, I have a 46 inch A650 and the AMP works flawlessly. I don't understand what Samsung did to screw this feature up.
post #267 of 8436
Ordered the 55D8000 online for CT BB Friday store delivery. When ordering online they offer the 3D Starter Kit SSG-P3100M for free, + a $25 delivery charge. Was in RI today and visited a BB that had them in stock and asked to look at a box. The box stated that 2 pairs of glasses and the qwerty remote would be included inside the box OR a voucher. So at this point in time, you can get a total of 4 pairs of glasses and 6 3d movies (3 of the movies are what I like to call, "make believe 3D". I also believe the glasses included with TV, whether it be in the box or with using the voucher and the ones in the starter kit, are all NiCad rechargeable.
post #268 of 8436
slowcarboost
sounds like you got a bad set. My 46c8000 had video dropouts but I never really got video stuttering on standard, smooth was a little to aggressive for my taste. You are not the only one to have this issues, I hope samsung heard the complaints and fixed the issues for the 2011 tvs.
post #269 of 8436
Well I've ordered the C8000 and expect to have it by Friday or Monday next week. My previous Samsung (4671F) also had issues with AMP and I turned it off. So I don't mind turning it off if I have to, though I would have thought my 2010 they would have got that fixed.
Anyways, looking forward to my 46C8000. I hope it's a good one.
post #270 of 8436
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Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

slowcarboost
sounds like you got a bad set. My 46c8000 had video dropouts but I never really got video stuttering on standard, smooth was a little to aggressive for my taste. You are not the only one to have this issues, I hope samsung heard the complaints and fixed the issues for the 2011 tvs.

I would assume that too but I tried out a C650 several months back and it was the same deal. I even tried to get a tech out and he called me to talk about the problem. He told me he wouldn't come out to look at it because it's that way with all the 2010 models. He said he gets calls about it all the time. I took that one back too. I've heard about the new chipset too. I'm hoping that solves the problem.
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