Official Samsung UNXXD8000 Owners' Thread - Page 201

Originally Posted by mdchaser

I took delivery while I was at lunch so I only had a few minutes to try the pc. I'm going to try a ps3 and xbox when I get home. I did notice abysmal input lag on the pc unless I switched it to game mode. I have a hardware calibrator for the pc but that leaves the xbox and ps3 looking bad (image quality drops noticeably in game mode). Will a professional isf calibrator be able to overcome the quality drop on the ps3/xbox inputs?

Originally Posted by yassy

fluctuates daily, like most other electronic items on amzn

Originally Posted by mdchaser

• Viewing angles are terrible compared to my old plasma, I was expecting this.

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Originally Posted by taz23

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Had my screen replaced for the second time on Monday & I have to say this is the worst screen yet, as you can see from my grey screen test the left of the screen is darker than the right which is noticeable during normal viewing also if you look at the top right of my screen you can see what looks like veins about 9 of them coming down the screen about 10-15cm. Emailed Samsung this picture and explained I'm not happy etc revived an email back say customer services will phone me about the issue. I just want a working TV when you pay £2000 you expect it

Originally Posted by mdchaser

• 60" is about right, now 55" screens look small.
• From 8-10' the image looks decent, up close the pixels are so large they are distracting, FAR more than my 50" plasma. Solid black lines seem to have white pixels in the middle of them, I'm still trying to figure that one out, it's not noticeable from a distance.
• Input lag is unbearable unless game mode is used, they need to start using faster processors so this stops being such an issue. Damn them.

Originally Posted by avsscientist

I have narrowed down to either the 55D7900 or 55D8000, but can't decide which one to go for due to the bezel designs.

On one hand, D8000 looks much slimmer due to the optical illusion of the silver. But I'm afraid it reflects too much light.

On the other, the clear bezel of D7900 is not as obvious but the bezel looks much larger for some reason?

Which one should I go for? Any tips from current owners?

Originally Posted by mdchaser

I've had a chance to set up and experience my new un60d8000 for a day now so here are some of my first impressions. Keep in mind I'm replacing a 50" Pioneer Elite Pro-FHD1 plasma.

• 60" is about right, now 55" screens look small.
• The screen is so large that it's almost impossible to get a perfect image, at least one small part of the screen doesn't look 100% right (a little washed out usually). It's not that distracting unless you really pay attention to it.
• Viewing angles are terrible compared to my old plasma, I was expecting this.
• From 8-10' the image looks decent, up close the pixels are so large they are distracting, FAR more than my 50" plasma. Solid black lines seem to have white pixels in the middle of them, I'm still trying to figure that one out, it's not noticeable from a distance.
• Text is still blurry, reducing sharpness to 0 eliminated the ghosting but text still seems to be misaligned even though it's set to screen fit, not noticeable from a distance.
• Input lag is still present though minor even in game mode.
• Input lag is unbearable unless game mode is used, they need to start using faster processors so this stops being such an issue. Damn them.
• The outer quarter inch of screen around bezel *seems* darker than the rest of the screen, it also seems to look normal when I get close to it. I'm thinking it's more of a viewing angle issue than anything.
• Black levels are better than I was expecting. Even better than my plasma which was a nice surprise.
• After calibrating my pc with a spyder 3 the colors look pretty good, I'm hoping a professional calibrator can still make some improvements.
• SD content is no better or worse than any other large screen, basically it is all terribly blurry, to be expected.
• The sharpness feature really destroys the image quality.
• Power draw fluctuates between 70 and 120 watts depending on screen content, far lower than my plasma, yay.
• Isn't a space heater like my plasma.
• Works great with my Harmony remote, I only had to have it learn one command.
• The mediahub software is neat, slow but neat. I can now browse facebook on my tv directly. Please shoot me.

Overall I think I like the set. Unless I find something major this weekend I think I'll keep it. I'm still a bit worried that it's an h301 panel but I don't want to send it back hoping to win the panel lottery.

Originally Posted by KeyMastur

define "terrible" and the angles you're speaking of...

Originally Posted by MKANET

Viewing size is relative to how far you sit from it. A 60" screen would look small to me when I sit any further than 8 feet. In order to be able to resolve full detail of 1080P bluray (considering you have 20/20 vision) it's ideal to sit 6.5 feet viewing distance (8 feet absolute max). Since I use my TV as a computer monitor (that happens to playback bluray and TV too), I sit 5.5 feet away from my 55" TV; which the TV more than big enough.

1080p Maximum Viewing distance calculator

Input lag is not caused by a slow processor. It's a buffer needed in order to add automotion plus procesing (needs a certain number of video frames in advance to process before you see it). The TV can't process the video frames quicker than it receives them. Turning off all processing in game mode wont need to keep a buffer; and shows the video as it's received.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lederman

I too swapped out a Pro FHD1 (which is being moved to anothe location after 5+ years) in favor of 60D8000. I sit just over 6 feet away.

You have provided a very accurate statement of my experience as well in this transition. My wife loves the new set, the vibrant colors, etc. I particularly note your comments about turning the sharpness down (20 or lower). It makes all the difference with this set, and took me a couple of weeks to figure that out.

It's not perfect, but it is pretty darn good.

Originally Posted by MKANET

Sorry to hear you're having bad luck. At first I thought maybe your screen looks brighter on one side because the picture was taken at an angle. However, it looks like you're right, it is a defect.

I just took a quick picture of my 55" TV at an angle similar to yours to see if I could reproduce the brightness uniformity issue. As you can see... no problem with brightness or uniformity. The spaghetti sounds like a defect as well. (Image taken: brightness = 10%. Backlight = 13

Originally Posted by mdchaser

Thanks for the clarification on the input lag! I sit about 8' from my 60 and that is about right, any closer and the quality decreases (15/20 vision). It drives me nuts when I stand right next to it to input something (used as a computer monitor primarily), the image is very washed out.

Originally Posted by merranza

I was wondering if I was the only one having those "brighter bars" close to the bezel on the upper/bottom part of the tv (about half a inch). I've browsed through the whole thread and most have it. I know it's quite common in edge lit models but I still don't get why the D8000 being edge lit on the sides show these brighter bars on the bottom and top parts of the bezel. It's not a deal breaker and doesn't show up on every color. On my set, it's worse on the bottom part than on the upper part. Pretty minor since the rest of the picture is simply breath taking but still it's there if you look for it.

Originally Posted by MKANET

Those bright bars only show up in pictures for me; especially with my mobile phone camera. Are you SURE you see bright bars with your naked eyes too? My sony camera (picture shown below) tends to take a little bit better pictures closer to what my eyes see.

Originally Posted by merranza

Like I said, I have to "look for it" to really see it but it's definitely there. It doesn't change the color, it just makes the color much brighter. Let's say there's someone on the screen with a blue shirt, the shirt's color will be uniform all over the screen except for that half inch zone on the bottom part where it will still be the same blue but much brighter. It shows on some colors though, not everything. If the bottom of the tv shows black, it will be deep black close to the bezel and not brighter or greyish. Might also be related to the content being displayed.

I have tried to establish some correlation with my minor bezel separation (remember?) but it doesn't seem to be the case as it's a very uniform half inch bar following the entire bezel much like your picture displays.

After seeing some horror stories here too with the D8000, I'm 100% sure even if a samsung tech came home he'd say my tv is well within specifications. I'm not so sure I'd want to gamble for another panel with that minor of a flaw

Originally Posted by MKANET

Hmm.. It's possible that the bezel separation may be related the symptoms youre describing below. I can't see anything like what you describe on my screen. I would have the TV serviced if you see anything at all that might affect your normal TV viewing; even if you're looking for it.

Originally Posted by dbhajek

Hello all

Long story short.

I bought a 55d6050 from Costco, the picture was beautiful but had bad flash lighting, it looked like spotlight from every corner, so I returned it.

I became gun shy of the Samsung flash lighting problem so I bought a Sony 55e720 at best buy, I just couldn't get over the dull colors, or natural some people call it, so I returned it yesterday for a 55d8000.

It has very little flash lighting, almost not noticeable, the picture is beautiful but I got a vertical band on the left side that is about one inch thick that looks like a tire mark.



I guess I will try my luck on another one.

Is there anyone that has been totally happy with this model?

Thanks

Originally Posted by merranza

Maybe we don't perceive this phenomenon the same way and I'm really not saying I have some kind of better vision than yours or whatever that could imply something going that way. Browsing back a couple pages back and looking at your cars/blu ray picture I do notice some of it. Look at that toy story 3 picture you put in the very lower left corner of the image. Unless it is a lighting effect, the brown goes much brighter. Same goes for much of the lower left portion of Mr. Potato. Shows much more to me on the silver car picture (the one where the car is almost facing the camera - IMAG0505) where all the floor portion of the picture is much brighter following the bezel (zoom in and check for example the lower right corner of the screen. See how the grey color of the floor is much brighter close to the lower part of your bezel compared to the side for instance). Shows a bit also on IMAG0506. Like I said, it's not blatant, but to me it's there.

Originally Posted by merranza

I wish I wasn't seeing it with naked eyes too then

Originally Posted by merranza

I've never perceived anything rude in your messages at all, no worries. I do sincerely think you are one of the nicest person on this board too. Again, sorry for the way I phrase my ideas if it sound rude in english since english isn't my native language and there's no intention to be rude on my side at all.

You are probably right, bezel separation could be the cause of all this. What I really can't explain though is why that half inch brighter area would be totally uniform all along the bezel when the bezel separation I noticed is way more prominent on the right side of the tv than on the left side. I've watched a couple of D8000 videos on youtube and all showed to some extent that brighter area. Probably due to all of those cameras also exaggerating contrast.

Regarding the fact nobody else talked about it, I've concluded I'm either the only one to notice such a phenomenon and even consider it a weakness or the problems the D8000 have been facing are so much more serious that nobody mentioned such a minor detail. Like I said, some content really shows that brighter area way more than other content.

Originally Posted by taz23

I've seen people comment on the AV forum, my 1st screen had this problem with a bright bar a the top & bottom, the bottom being the worst. It wasn't noticeable all the time mainly on solid colour pictures like the weather report etc, the screen has since been replaced & the new one doesn't have it.

Originally Posted by merranza


Thank you for your input! Have you requested a screen replacement because of that problem only or did you have other problems that justified a screen replacement?