or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › Local HDTV Info and Reception › Wichita, KS - HDTV
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Wichita, KS - HDTV - Page 88

post #2611 of 3098
I remember reading several articles when Fox first announced the Fox Business Channel. They made a big deal pointing out that it would only be available in HD.
post #2612 of 3098
I got a flyer in the mail from Cox yesterday indicating that on-screen caller ID starts "next week", but I couldn't tell if that really meant next week, or this week. Also, does anyone know why the listings on Cox for SciFi do not correspond to actual programming (e.g., SciFi apparently moved Lost reruns to the middle of the afternoon instead of Monday evenings, but the paper and my TVGOS still showed it as being Monday evening)?
post #2613 of 3098
As far as the caller ID, I called Cox last night and they told me it is to be activated today Dec. 17.
post #2614 of 3098
Fox Business won't be HD.

New HD channels:
AMC HD
FOX News HD
Cartoon HD
Speed HD
FX HD

Dec 30th is when they start. Also MLB TV starts that day, but not HD.
post #2615 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

Fox Business won't be HD.

New HD channels:
AMC HD
FOX News HD
Cartoon HD
Speed HD
FX HD

Dec 30th is when they start. Also MLB TV starts that day, but not HD.

Any word on Weather Channel HD?
post #2616 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benchmark View Post

As far as the caller ID, I called Cox last night and they told me it is to be activated today Dec. 17.

Does that caller id info show up on recorded videos like some of the earlier versions did.
post #2617 of 3098
My son just became a Cox digital TV subscriber today to take advantage of his new HD TV, but can't get most of the channels. He seems to get all of the broadcast channels (601, 603, 604, etc.), and a few random other HD channels (Science HD, Lifetime Movies), but not ones he wants (621, 634). When I turned on my TV, I saw I wasn't getting some of those at first; later, they came in . Was there some interruption of service?
post #2618 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KHarper View Post

My son just became a Cox digital TV subscriber today to take advantage of his new HD TV, but can't get most of the channels. He seems to get all of the broadcast channels (601, 603, 604, etc.), and a few random other HD channels (Science HD, Lifetime Movies), but not ones he wants (621, 634). When I turned on my TV, I saw I wasn't getting some of those at first; later, they came in . Was there some interruption of service?

It took a day the first time I plugged in my HD DVR to get everything.

Just call customer service and see what those yahoos have to say.
post #2619 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

Fox Business won't be HD.

New HD channels:
AMC HD
FOX News HD
Cartoon HD
Speed HD
FX HD

Dec 30th is when they start. Also MLB TV starts that day, but not HD.

Really, none of the Disney HD stuff yet? Still? This is getting kinda old.
post #2620 of 3098
I have a technical question. I have a 2-yr-old LG plasma with 1366X788 resolution. It is an HDTV, obviously. The broadcast specs for HD are for both 1080i and 720p; i.e., broadcast content with either type of resolution is HD, and my TV accepts both types of signals. Likewise, Cox cable sends HD signals as 1080i for most channels (Discovery HD Theatre, SciFiHD), and 720p for some (ESPN and ESPN2 HD) according to the information my TV shows me on these channels. My son has a "full HD" TV he just bought, capable of 1080p.

We were discussing how the original HDTVs handle the diversity of HD signals. If I have a plasma screen with 788 lines, and the source is in 1080i, does my TV show me 720i for that image, or 720p? In other words, if my TV receives a 1080i signal, does it just delete the extraneous lines it can't show but continue to interlace, or does it both delete the lines and then transform the signal from interlaced to progressive?
post #2621 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KHarper View Post

I have a technical question. I have a 2-yr-old LG plasma with 1366X788 resolution. It is an HDTV, obviously. The broadcast specs for HD are for both 1080i and 720p; i.e., broadcast content with either type of resolution is HD, and my TV accepts both types of signals. Likewise, Cox cable sends HD signals as 1080i for most channels (Discovery HD Theatre, SciFiHD), and 720p for some (ESPN and ESPN2 HD) according to the information my TV shows me on these channels. My son has a "full HD" TV he just bought, capable of 1080p.

We were discussing how the original HDTVs handle the diversity of HD signals. If I have a plasma screen with 788 lines, and the source is in 1080i, does my TV show me 720i for that image, or 720p? In other words, if my TV receives a 1080i signal, does it just delete the extraneous lines it can't show but continue to interlace, or does it both delete the lines and then transform the signal from interlaced to progressive?


To the best of my knowledge, all HDTVs have a native resolution. I would imagine that your TV, since it is 720P, will convert all 1080I to 720P for display. The only 1080P source material right now is BlueRay DVD, and a few channels of 1080P material on satellite, which would also be converted to 720P by your TV.
post #2622 of 3098
But for source material that is 1080i, that means that there are two "frames" in succession, the first with odd-numbered lines the second with even-numbered lines. If my TV has a native resolution of 720p, do I get a series of frames that are basically 540 lines progressively scanned, or does the tv take two frames, put the odds and evens back together into a single frame, and then basically downconvert from 1080 lines to 720 lines? I'm not sure it matters--I like what I'm getting either way; but I'm curious.
post #2623 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KHarper View Post

But for source material that is 1080i, that means that there are two "frames" in succession, the first with odd-numbered lines the second with even-numbered lines. If my TV has a native resolution of 720p, do I get a series of frames that are basically 540 lines progressively scanned, or does the tv take two frames, put the odds and evens back together into a single frame, and then basically downconvert from 1080 lines to 720 lines? I'm not sure it matters--I like what I'm getting either way; but I'm curious.

If your TV has progressive scan capabilities, it will have a circuit designed to deinterlace SDTV or other interlaced signals. However, it isn't entirely accurate to say that it "puts the odds and evens back together".

If the original source of the signal comes from film, then each frame was originally converted into your "odd" and "even" scan for broadcasting (sort of), and because of this, the best method is to put the odds and evens back together as you said. The deinterlacing circuit will be designed to recognize this, and will use this method accordingly. I said "sort of" there, because even here, it's not entirely accurate. Remember, film is 24fps, while NTSC video (TV in the Americas and Japan) is 30fps, so there's a process called "Telecine" that splits the frames, but it isn't QUITE the odd/even split that I simplistically refer to here. If you're interested in how that works, google "Telecine."

However, if the original source was NOT film, but was in fact created through interlace scanning, then there would be a slight time-difference between those odd and even scans. While it's only a fraction of a second, with motion video, it would be enough to be noticeable, so instead a deinterlace circuit will typically use the existing scans and "fill in" the blanks based on available data.

In other words, it GENERATES those missing lines from scratch, based on the information in the surrounding lines. So, on the "odd scan," it will generate the missing even scans based on the information contained in those odd scans. On the "even scan" it will fill in the odds using the same method. The actual algorithm used will vary from company to company, which is why some manufacturers' TV pictures will look better than others after the conversion.

When upconverting or downconverting the resolution, the deinterlacing is done first, then the result is upscaled or downscaled accordingly using more manufacturer-specific algorithms.

By the way, since most DVD content is interlaced, a progressive scan DVD player does the same thing, so the actual deinterlacing (and, in fact, scaling) may happen there, rather than in the TV. This is why, when you have a Progressive-Scan TV, it sometimes actually looks better to turn off the progressive scan circuit on your DVD. If the deinterlacing circuit of your TV is far superior than that of your DVD player, then having it perform the deinterlacing, rather than the DVD player, can result in a better picture. This is even more true with scaling. Some DVD upconverters produce an absolutely horrid picture, while others are amazing (Same goes for DVRs and cable boxes that deinterlace/scale). The TVs that can upconvert tend to be better at it, but that's not always true either, so you just have to try it both ways and go with what looks better to you.
post #2624 of 3098
Thanks for the technical info on deinterlacing. Speaking very simplistically, it sounds like my TV will take each 540 line image from a 1080i source, turn it to progressive, then "upconvert" to 720, then. That's what I thought.
post #2625 of 3098
If you are a Cox subscriber they have a Yule Log Free on Demand, with crackling noise and Christmas music, all in HD with 5.1 sound! Check it out.

Merry Christmas.
post #2626 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

Fox Business won't be HD.

New HD channels:
AMC HD
FOX News HD
Cartoon HD
Speed HD
FX HD

Dec 30th is when they start. Also MLB TV starts that day, but not HD.

I was looking at the channel lineup from the Cox web page and the Wichita lineup from December 17th shows channel 605 as Fox News HD. So it looks like KSCW won't be getting that channel for HD. It also shows channel 651 as FX HD and 253 as Fox Business. I still can't get these new channels yet though. Maybe they'll be set up later today.
post #2627 of 3098
Well that sucks, although they could always move Fox News HD to another channel if/when KSCW HD ever comes online.

I heard the other day that the reason KSCW HD isn't available on Cox is because the new owners of KSCW want Cox to pay an additional fee for the right to carry the HD signal, and Cox refuses. Don't know how true that is, but it certainly sounds plausible. Maybe having Fox News HD take the 605 slot is Cox's way of making a point.

KSCW always seems to be treated as the black-sheep of the Wichita broadcast stations, but they have a number of high-rated shows. Schurz Communications, the owners, just don't seem to really take KSCW seriously. It's sad, really.
post #2628 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by jctiii View Post

Well that sucks, although they could always move Fox News HD to another channel if/when KSCW HD ever comes online.

I heard the other day that the reason KSCW HD isn't available on Cox is because the new owners of KSCW want Cox to pay an additional fee for the right to carry the HD signal, and Cox refuses. Don't know how true that is, but it certainly sounds plausible. Maybe having Fox News HD take the 605 slot is Cox's way of making a point.

KSCW always seems to be treated as the black-sheep of the Wichita broadcast stations, but they have a number of high-rated shows. Schurz Communications, the owners, just don't seem to really take KSCW seriously. It's sad, really.


High-rated shows? Which ones would that be? They have no top 20 shows and over rating for the season is 1.4.

NBC: 4.7
CBS: 7.2
ABC: 6.2
FOX: 4.7

Yes, if a local broadcaster is asking for money to allow Cox to have them on the line-up, Cox won't do it. Look at the WIBW issue earlier this year in Topeka.
post #2629 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

High-rated shows? Which ones would that be? They have no top 20 shows and over rating for the season is 1.4.

NBC: 4.7
CBS: 7.2
ABC: 6.2
FOX: 4.7

Yes, if a local broadcaster is asking for money to allow Cox to have them on the line-up, Cox won't do it. Look at the WIBW issue earlier this year in Topeka.

At least KSCW has shows in HD to offer. It doesn't matter if the shows are rated highly or not, they are in HD. Half of the "HD" Channels Cox has added recently have no HD content, and if they do its maybe once a month. I rather have Cox spend money on adding channels that currently have HD, and hold off on the channels that don't until they have some decent HD content.

As for channel numbering, I wish Cox would just renumber the entire 600 line up. I would use the 12-612 as an example. Leave open Channels 601 through like 670 and just tag on a 6 to all the channels that are HD simulcasts of SD channels. Throw the HD only stuff in the 680-699 range. It seems like it would be easier on people. I know it would help me. for example, Nick is 46, so Nick HD should be 646, that way any time I go to an HD TV, I just know to type in the channel with a 6 before it.

Or even better, do what D* does, make the HD channel a -1 channel, so KWCH HD would be 12-1, I don't know if the way the Cable system is set up allows for that though. Somehow tie the HD channel to the SD one though. It amazes, and sickens me every time I go to somebody's house that has an HD TV with a Cox DVR, yet watches the SD channel because they don't know about the HD channels or "Already knows the current channels and doesn't want to learn new ones." I was at a friends house for Christmas and around 10 I noticed that her parents were watching Channel 12, yes, the actual Channel 12, on their 60 inch flat screen TV. I said "go to channel 612" They were floored.
post #2630 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

High-rated shows? Which ones would that be?

Several shows (America's Top Model, Smallville, Supernatural, One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, and 90201) do well enough in the ratings to carry the network (although, I admit, I watch only a couple of those shows, and can't stand the rest).

Don't get me wrong. I know that the CW's ratings are rarely (never?) higher than the big four, but my point was that Schurz Communications paid a lot of money for KSCW, and you'd think with that expense, they'd want to try to make money with it. As it is, it seems like it's just another place to advertise the KWCH News, and possibly carry rerun and preempted CBS fare. To me, that doesn't seem like a good value for the price paid.

On another note... I agree with Squid7085 that it's a joke to add an HD channel that doesn't show anything in HD, and stretching a 4:3 picture into 16:9 doesn't count, either. In fact, I wish they'd just stop that practice altogether. It drives me insane to switch to a HD channel, only to get a stretched version of the SD channel. Do they really think that's what we want? Does anyone really PREFER stretched content?
post #2631 of 3098
[quote=jctiii;15422143]Several shows (America's Top Model, Smallville, Supernatural, One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, and 90201) do well enough in the ratings to carry the network (although, I admit, I watch only a couple of those shows, and can't stand the rest).

Don't get me wrong. I know that the CW's ratings are rarely (never?) higher than the big four, but my point was that Schurz Communications paid a lot of money for KSCW, and you'd think with that expense, they'd want to try to make money with it. As it is, it seems like it's just another place to advertise the KWCH News, and possibly carry rerun and preempted CBS fare. To me, that doesn't seem like a good value for the price paid./QUOTE]

What makes you think they aren't making money on it?

It's an Indy - barely worse off than being a Fox station. Programming (especially high-rated programming) costs serious $$$, and usually requires multi-year contracts. Indy stations (everywhere *I've* worked) are traditional "bottom feeders". They cater to people who want to watch Something Else (a comedy when all the others are running news, News when all the others are busy pushing their multi-million dollar Cops-and-Robbers Drama). Attached to the hip of a "big network" station they make a good combo.

Look at what Fox affiliates does with their local MyNetwork station - you sell one as the "mainline" buy and the other as the "budget" buy. The CW here does 2 hours of a morning news show in 1080i, reruns Dr. Phil & Oprah in 1080i, and passes every HD program it's network provides. In 5.1, without "I forgot the switch", or "we have to go into SD for weather warnings".

How many stations here, Big-Network or otherwise, manage that?

'Course, I'm biased.

Cheap
post #2632 of 3098
Hi all - anyone wanna take a stab at this?

60" Sony LCD, TivoHD w/M-Card, connected by HDMI

Lately, I've noticed TravelHD's crawl (especially today with that new crawl about losing channels in Time Warner networks) is about 95% off the bottom of my screen. The bug is still there where you'd expect it, but the crawl is barely even visible. Switching over to Espn2HD, the crawl is perfect and where I'd expect it. I switched to PBS, and while I could see the logo, it looks like there's another graphic line below the logo that is also about %95 off screen.

I can't change aspect or zoom in and out with my TV while on an HD channel, so I'm at a loss as to why parts of the pictures of certain channels are off screen.

Anyone else seen that, or if you're checking this forum at 8:02 Wednesday night instead of boozing up it somewhere, check TravelHD for me and see how it looks to you.....
post #2633 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by jctiii View Post


On another note... I agree with Squid7085 that it's a joke to add an HD channel that doesn't show anything in HD, and stretching a 4:3 picture into 16:9 doesn't count, either. In fact, I wish they'd just stop that practice altogether. It drives me insane to switch to a HD channel, only to get a stretched version of the SD channel. Do they really think that's what we want? Does anyone really PREFER stretched content?

This all comes down to the owners of these stations saying if you want Channel A, you must take Channel B,C,and D too. So enough people ask for A, that Cox also adds B,C, and D to the line-up.

Also, if I remeber right, just a 6 months ago people on here were saying how many more HD channels DirecTV has over Cox, and Cox not having the same channels was a joke. Well most of those stations are the ones Cox has now added that you are all saying Cox never should have added, cause it's not HD all the time.
post #2634 of 3098
Is it just me or does it seem as tho Cox has INCREASED bandwidth? I feel like I'm seeing MUCH better HD in the last week or so...

Also, I know most folks here probably don't watch MTV but I find it odd to see high-def offerings from on-demands freezone HD of a certain TV show, but yet it never airs on MTVHD in HD. Odd ya?
post #2635 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

Also, if I remeber right, just a 6 months ago people on here were saying how many more HD channels DirecTV has over Cox, and Cox not having the same channels was a joke. Well most of those stations are the ones Cox has now added that you are all saying Cox never should have added, cause it's not HD all the time.

Just to be clear, I was simply agreeing that it was funny to add HD channels that have no HD content. I never said that they SHOULDN'T be added... I think that was someone else.

However, my complaint isn't with Cox. It's with the channels (or should I say engineers?) that decide that since they have no HD content, they'll make up for it by stretching their SD content to the 16:9 format, or worse yet, zoom in to the 4:3 content to minimize the black bars at the sides, but as a result cutting off the top and bottom (which is probably what Filtyc was talking about). I wish they'd just abolish this practice. Look, everyone who buys a 16:9 television knows that a 4:3 standard picture won't fill up the screen. For those who can't stand the black bars, every widescreen TV has the option to zoom and/or stretch the picture. We don't need the broadcasters making the decision for us. Just broadcast the picture as it was meant to be shown, and let the PEOPLE decide how they want to deal with those black bars, okay?
post #2636 of 3098
Oh i agree that it stupid to release a 'HD' channel and have 1 to 3 hours of HD programing per day.
post #2637 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

Oh i agree that it stupid to release a 'HD' channel and have 1 to 3 hours of HD programing per day.

Chicken and the egg...

Why do HD programing if you don't have an HD channel?

Why do an HD channel if you don't have HD programing?

Even when ESPN did their huge HD switch over w/ sportscenter and all of that, they still have quite a few events in SD and before that only select sporting events were in HD.

So I don't mind that only 1-2 Food network shows are in HD. They will come along, in time.
post #2638 of 3098
Is anyone else dependent on TV Guide On Screen for running a built-in DVR in Wichita? I have Cox, and am pleased they are adding new HD channels (which will, presumably, have more HD content some day). But there is a huge lag between Cox adding the channels, and TVGOS adjusting their channel lineup. Is anyone knowledgeable about how to get TVGOS to update info?
post #2639 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KHarper View Post

Is anyone else dependent on TV Guide On Screen for running a built-in DVR in Wichita? I have Cox, and am pleased they are adding new HD channels (which will, presumably, have more HD content some day). But there is a huge lag between Cox adding the channels, and TVGOS adjusting their channel lineup. Is anyone knowledgeable about how to get TVGOS to update info?

Might try to get ahold of the TvGuide and see if they can update the info. Cause I'm pretty sure Cox just passes the info along to them and then its up to TVG to do the update. Cox does use TVG for Channel 97, so they should know about the added channels.
post #2640 of 3098
Quote:
Originally Posted by KScableguy View Post

Might try to get ahold of the TvGuide and see if they can update the info. Cause I'm pretty sure Cox just passes the info along to them and then its up to TVG to do the update. Cox does use TVG for Channel 97, so they should know about the added channels.

I finally heard back from TVGOS today via email, requesting more detailed info (zip code, type of TV, and most importantly, the missing channels). I'll get that to them via email tonight or tomorrow and see what happens.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Local HDTV Info and Reception
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › Local HDTV Info and Reception › Wichita, KS - HDTV