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1 clark synthesis tst239 silver or 2 tst209

post #1 of 17
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I have and will use a Buttkicker BKA300-4 amplifier that outputs 300 watts at 4 ohms and 150 watts at 2 ohms

given the sale at parts-express right now, which is the better bang for the buck, making each option roughly the same price.

1 Clark Synthesis TST239 Silver Transducer at 300 watts at 4ohms

or

2 Clark Synthesis TST209 Tactile Transducers at 150 watts each at 2 ohms

I'm trying to understand this ohm thing so hopefully i got this right above.

it will be installed into a 5 foot wide loveseat.

thanks for any advice.

paul
post #2 of 17
I know you already probably purchased but I had almost the same question and no one ever answered so I'm going to answer for the next guy looking. I think that 2 clark synthesis 209 is definately better than 1 239. The 209 has 1.6lbs ft/ watt while the 239 has 2.2. This is very close or atleast I think it is. I have 1 209 in my futon with a 6ft oak bridge connected all the braces in the couch and it is powerful and amazing. I play Transformers at refernce 0.0 decibals and the clark is at around 50 watts pushing through it. 1 is amazing 2 would be ridiculous. It's better to smooth out the response and amount of vibration rather than just have one powerful tactile device, because i get more pump in the center of the couch, with one more I could spread it out more evenly. It's still pretty great with one though.
post #3 of 17
The problem with that BKA amp and 2 clarks which are @ 4ohm is that you are killing half the power of the amp running them at 2ohm or 8ohm.

The Clark needs a minimum of 100watts rms, and I would say over 200watts to one would make blowing it a high possibility. Someone with the 240w Dayton blew his on his first day. 75 watts just wont be all that nice. I know because I had the Dayton 75w x2 amp and it was weak with my shakers.

I just got my silver and I'm going to run it tonight on 100w to test. A 2 channel 150w x2 RMS amp would be the best for 2 Clarks, but I haven't found an amp at that power with a good price.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

The problem with that BKA amp and 2 clarks which are @ 4ohm is that you are killing half the power of the amp running them at 2ohm or 8ohm.

The Clark needs a minimum of 100watts rms, and I would say over 200watts to one would make blowing it a high possibility. Someone with the 240w Dayton blew his on his first day. 75 watts just wont be all that nice. I know because I had the Dayton 75w x2 amp and it was weak with my shakers.

I just got my silver and I'm going to run it tonight on 100w to test. A 2 channel 150w x2 RMS amp would be the best for 2 Clarks, but I haven't found an amp at that power with a good price.

Hey bhazard,

Did you ever find an amp that was right for use with the Clark TST-239? I am thinking of getting that transducer but am trying to decide which amp would give it the right amount of power without going way over and blowing it but that is enough power for it to reach its full potential.

Thanks,
Mike
post #5 of 17
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Hey bhazard,

Did you ever find an amp that was right for use with the Clark TST-239? I am thinking of getting that transducer but am trying to decide which amp would give it the right amount of power without going way over and blowing it but that is enough power for it to reach its full potential.

Thanks,
Mike

Curious too. Was gonna get the Dayton 240
post #6 of 17
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Curious too. Was gonna get the Dayton 240

I just noticed that the 2 models of the Dayton 240 that www.partsexpress.com carries have been discontinued.

I am now looking at the Yung SD200-6 200W Class D Subwoofer Amp Module with 6 dB @ 35 Hz.

It's 200 watts @ 4 ohms so it looks like since the Clark handles 350 watts peak that this amp shouldn't blow it. So far this amp is top of my list unless somebody chimes in and says they know of a cheaper/better amp for the Clark TST239. Yikes, the Yung amp is backordered until 4-24-12.

Thanks,
Mike
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

I just noticed that the 2 models of the Dayton 240 that www.partsexpress.com carries have been discontinued.

I just ordered and received this amp last week...if you click on the SA240 240W Sub Amp at PE it shows as OOS, available 3-30-12.
post #8 of 17
Can 240s power 4 clarks?
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I just ordered and received this amp last week...if you click on the SA240 240W Sub Amp at PE it shows as OOS, available 3-30-12.

You must've got it right before they discontinued it as I clicked on the link to be notified when back in stock and today they sent me the following email:

Dear Customer,

We regret to inform you that Part # 300-804, Dayton Audio SA240 240W Subwoofer Amplifier has been discontinued and will no longer be available from Parts-Express.com

We apologize for the inconvenience.

The Parts Express Customer Service Team
post #10 of 17
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You must've got it right before they discontinued it

I don't know if that is good or bad...

PE needs to update their web-site then as it still shows OOS until 3-30-2012...
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I don't know if that is good or bad...

PE needs to update their web-site then as it still shows OOS until 3-30-2012...

If you just go to sub amps and scrolls down it says it is discontinued but if you click that amp it does give the date it will be back in stock.

It seems to be a popular amp so maybe it is just being replaced with one with a little different specs.

Are you using the amp to power transducers or a sub? How do you like it ?

Thanks,
Mike
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

Are you using the amp to power transducers or a sub? How do you like it ?
Thanks,
Mike

Hi Mike, I am using it to power a Clark TST-209 and a Aura Bass Shaker Pro in a two seat sofa as a test of sorts...I am coming from using an old stereo amp with an in-line FMOD for a crossover.

I very much prefer the Dayton amp with the built in crossover and the ability to daisy chain the incoming signal to another sofa with an old Polk sub plate amp and two Aura Pro shakers mounted inside.
post #13 of 17
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Hi Mike, I am using it to power a Clark TST-209 and a Aura Bass Shaker Pro in a two seat sofa as a test of sorts...I am coming from using an old stereo amp with an in-line FMOD for a crossover.

I very much prefer the Dayton amp with the built in crossover and the ability to daisy chain the incoming signal to another sofa with an old Polk sub plate amp and two Aura Pro shakers mounted inside.

Ok, I currently just bought 2 Aura Bass Shaker Pro's and have them mounted in my couch and I am using a old receiver to power them. I like the way it feels but I have to crank this old receiver up almost all the way to get the thump I desire. The old receiver I am using isn't very powerful but I have a better receiver that has a better amp that I am going to get out to try with my Bass Shaker's to see if that helps before deciding if I need to go on and buy the Clark TST-239 and an external amp w/crossover. I have ordered the FMOD 50hz crossover to use as I can see where having it crossovered to 50hz will help get rid of those higher frequencies.

How much better do you think your Clark TST-209 is than the Bass Shaker Pro's?

Thanks,
Mike
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post


Ok, I currently just bought 2 Aura Bass Shaker Pro's and have them mounted in my couch and I am using a old receiver to power them. I like the way it feels but I have to crank this old receiver up almost all the way to get the thump I desire. The old receiver I am using isn't very powerful but I have a better receiver that has a better amp that I am going to get out to try with my Bass Shaker's to see if that helps before deciding if I need to go on and buy the Clark TST-239 and an external amp w/crossover. I have ordered the FMOD 50hz crossover to use as I can see where having it crossovered to 50hz will help get rid of those higher frequencies.

How much better do you think your Clark TST-209 is than the Bass Shaker Pro's?

Thanks,
Mike

If you getg rid of the auras id buy em

Any suggestions on amps since the dayton is discontinued?
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

If you getg rid of the auras id buy em

Any suggestions on amps since the dayton is discontinued?


The auras do put out more than I thought they would. I just need to get my receiver out that has more power to power them.

I am looking at the Yung SD200-6 200W Class D Subwoofer Amp Module with 6 dB @ 35 Hz as it is similarly priced to the Dayton 240w but is out of stock until 4-24-12. I thought of getting the Dayton SA-230 that is the stand alone non-plate amp but its like $80 more and for $80 I can live with it being a plate amp and just put it behind my couch. If I wind up getting the Clark TST-239 I didn't want to buy a lower wattage amp than it can handle and then be sorry I didn't have more power. If I do go with the Clark I will probably contact parts-express to see which amp they recommend to be able to send full power to the Clark unless I get some recommendations from people here that have it.

Thanks,
Mike
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

..I like the way it feels but I have to crank this old receiver up almost all the way to get the thump I desire.

I had to do the same...

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The old receiver I am using isn't very powerful but I have a better receiver

For laughs, I used the PHONO Input on my old stereo and it was fun for a movie or two but got old very quickly.

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How much better do you think your Clark TST-209 is than the Bass Shaker Pro's?

Thanks,
Mike

Mike, it is an improvement over the Aura Pro shakers and I feel it is worth the additional cost. The additional mounting hardware alone is very helpful...I am not feeding the TST-209 with full power yet but I would think it will do even better than it is doing now.

I will keep the Aura Pro shakers for the other two sofas and add another TST-209 to the main sofa for my wife and I.
post #17 of 17
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Mike, it is an improvement over the Aura Pro shakers and I feel it is worth the additional cost. The additional mounting hardware alone is very helpful...I am not feeding the TST-209 with full power yet but I would think it will do even better than it is doing now.

I will keep the Aura Pro shakers for the other two sofas and add another TST-209 to the main sofa for my wife and I.

I'm going to try my other receiver that has more power and I decided to order another pair of the Bass Shaker Pro's since I can feed them with receiver and not have to buy amp. If after that I still want more I will get the Clark and an amp but I think adding 2 more Bass Shaker Pro's for a total of 4 for my 6 foot couch and then feeding it with a Onkyo 919THX receiver that was rated at 100 watts per channel @8 ohm thus I will be feeding each shaker with its max rating of 50 watts(I have them wired in series) that might do it for me. At least this way if it doesn't work out I can just leave them in place and also add a Clark and an amp and not have wasted too much money.

Thanks,
Mike
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