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post #511 of 796
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post


According to http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/cinavia_faq.cfm

The FAQ was last updated on Dec 2011.

The S580 does include Cinavia.

My S580 that I bought last month does not have Cinavia. But any future FW upgrade could enable it. So... I won't be running any system updates.
post #512 of 796
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Originally Posted by paulinmn View Post

My S580 that I bought last month does not have Cinavia. But any future FW upgrade could enable it. So... I won't be running any system updates.

Which firmware do you have?

Too late for me, for the S580 purchase. I found an S380 open box for cheap with full warranty. That's fine for me since I don't need WiFi and hate 3D anyway. A refurb S580 would have been 33% more than the discounted S380 I got. Missed out on the super firesale S370 though.

Just as with the S580, I had thought the current firmwares for the S380 didn't have the Cinavia active yet either, but FAQ posted above suggests otherwise. I will just assume the FAQ is correct, but it would be nice if the FAQ listed which firmwares have Cinavia.

However, there is some information at Wikipedia that lists some players that do NOT have it:

Sony BDP-S300 firmware v5.30 and older (unknown if v5.40 is protected)
Sony BDP-S301 firmware v5.30 and older (unknown if v5.40 is protected)
Sony BDP-S350 firmware 024 and older
Sony BDP-S360 latest firmware 007 and older
Sony BDP-S370 firmware M03.R.315 and older
Sony BDP-S550 latest firmware 024 and older
Sony BDP-S560 latest firmware 007 and older
Sony BDP-S570 firmware M04.R.624 and older
Sony BDP-S1000ES firmware 011 and older
Sony BDP-N460 firmware M02.R.123 and older
Sony BDP-CX960 firmware v013 and older


And players that do have it:

Sony BDP-S185 / BDP-S186 (with firmware update version M09.R.0033+)
Sony BDP-S390 (with firmware update version M11.R.0147+)
post #513 of 796
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Originally Posted by BuGsArEtAsTy View Post

Which firmware do you have?

I'll check when I get home.

EDIT:
Straight out of the box my player was loaded with FW version: M07.R.0263.

The latest is version M07.R.0579, so there have been several revisions between when my player was assembled and the current upgrades. I don't have any idea if any of those upgrades contained Cinavia or if it is actually coming in a future one and the Wiki posted earlier is just wrong? And I have no plans on trying this firmware out, unless, when the new firmware upgrade comes out it specifically states that Cinavia was added during that upgrade. If that happens then I might upgrade to M07.R.0579. Then again... I still have yet to have any issues opening a single disc yet, including some of the newest titles. So as they say; "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"
post #514 of 796
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Originally Posted by BuGsArEtAsTy View Post


Sony BDP-S185 / BDP-S186 (with firmware update version M09.R.0033+)
Sony BDP-S390 (with firmware update version M11.R.0147+)

We can also add the s590 to that list too -

This utility updates the Blu-ray Disc player firmware to version M12.R.0161 and improves BRAVIA® Internet Video connectivity.
Note: This update includes Cinavia content protection technology. Information about Cinavia technology is provided at the Cinavia Online Consumer Information Center at: http://www.cinavia.com.
post #515 of 796
Very impressed with the S580 last night. Watched a 1080p/25 33.27Mbit/s MKV (H264) with DTS-High Resolution audio served from my Mac running iSedora DNLA media server.

Sent the MKV to the S580 without any transcoding, so the S580 was doing everything itself.

No glitches. Pictures looked perfect. Sounds amazing. Very impressed.
post #516 of 796
Does the BX58 model support SACD, I saw it is $99 now in Costco, if it supports SACD I will just grab one in the store rather waiting for S390.
post #517 of 796
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Originally Posted by fubird View Post

Does the BX58 model support SACD, I saw it is $99 now in Costco, if it supports SACD I will just grab one in the store rather waiting for S390.

The 580 is said to support sacd, so I would expect the 58 to, too.
post #518 of 796
Yes bx58 supports sacd

The 580 and bx58 are identical. The bx58 also includes a hdmi cable and a remote control that had some buttons that glow in the dark !
post #519 of 796
I saw the S390 model is available on sony.com now but not the S590 yet. Does S580 still better than the new release S390 since S580 is $30 cheaper?
post #520 of 796
Does VUDU 3d streaming work?
post #521 of 796
BX58 model can't export bitstream through HDMI cable, I'm not sure S580 can do it or not, will return this to costco.
post #522 of 796
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Originally Posted by swak View Post

Does VUDU 3d streaming work?

bump, is vudu 3d even available on this player?
post #523 of 796
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Originally Posted by fubird View Post

BX58 model can't export bitstream through HDMI cable, I'm not sure S580 can do it or not, will return this to costco.

Bitstream ? Bitstream what? Audio Bitstream? Of course it can bitstream high resolution audio formats through HDMI. Not sure what you mean when you say "export".

The bx58 and 580 are IDENTICAL.

Vudu 3d is supported on the 580 and bx58
post #524 of 796
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Bitstream ? Bitstream what? Audio Bitstream? Of course it can bitstream high resolution audio formats through HDMI. Not sure what you mean when you say "export".

The bx58 and 580 are IDENTICAL.

Vudu 3d is supported on the 580.

I want to bitsteam audio to my receiver to decode DTS-HD Master audio, but looks like BX58 will only do PCM to my receiver.
post #525 of 796
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Originally Posted by fubird View Post

I want to bitsteam audio to my receiver to decode DTS-HD Master audio, but looks like BX58 will only do PCM to my receiver.

Make sure BD Audio Mix Setting (in Audio settings) is set to OFF and ..

double check Dolby Digital/DTS is set to bitstream.

All then will be good !

It will pass DTS-MA, DD True HD, etc over HDMI to youre receiver. If the s580 didn't do that fundamental feature, I think Sony would need to return to the drawing board !
post #526 of 796
Just wanted to post my impressions. Got a pretty good deal, using it to replace an old DVD/VHS player (VHS?). Main reason I chose it (over the Panasonic 210) was to play video from my Sony SDR12, which it does seemlessly through the from USB portal directly off the camera. Hooked it up to my Panasonic 42 plasma and ran a cable from my router to update the software and tried some of the streaming features, which all worked fine. Then unhooked the cable and watched Youtube using the Wi-fi, which worked fine(located about 18 feet from the 580. Main problem is Comcast cable, as the speeds were barely over 1.0 Mbps, which played OK without freeze ups. The hulu demos did freeze up a few times. Other notes, I still have a Playstation 3, not being used at present, so the Sony menus were no big deal. My main question to the forum is what download speeds are necessary for any decent HD (i.e., 720p)?

Other notes: DVD upconversion is good and at least on par with my Pioneer 320, which is a little better than my old Oppo 971. I also have an LG 530 that is very close to the 320 and 971.
post #527 of 796
Nice review.

I picked a pan. but it wasn't a fair competition as pan. was offering a free avatar 3d blu ray disk at the time.

Without this swaying factor, it's hard to say which is the better value. I felt like the pan. had slightly better PQ on both BR and DVD's. However, I'm now realizing that dvd upconversion is not necessarily better on the pan., but merely different. Pan. emphasizes sharpness but this results in more artifacting.

Aside from PQ, Sony accepts my flash drives without any problem and plays a much wider range of files.
post #528 of 796
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Originally Posted by audio/videoman View Post

Nice review.

I picked a pan. but it wasn't a fair competition as pan. was offering a free avatar 3d blu ray disk at the time.

Without this swaying factor, it's hard to say which is the better value. I felt like the pan. had slightly better PQ on both BR and DVD's. However, I'm now realizing that dvd upconversion is not necessarily better on the pan., but merely different. Pan. emphasizes sharpness but this results in more artifacting.

Aside from PQ, Sony accepts my flash drives without any problem and plays a much wider range of files.

I tried both the 210 and 220 Panasonic players. As much as I wanted to like them, my main criteria was streaming (with some bluray use). The Viera connect is not for me. I prefer the Sony UI even though it gets slated by folks. I've just ordered the new S390 from Sony, and should be here tomorrow. Suppose to have a new on-line portal for apps/etc. I think they have kept the XMB though for player settings/video/music.
post #529 of 796
Please let us know (in the sony thread) what you think of the Netflix app. The current sony one is sorely lacking (blind ffwd/rew, no DD5.1, no 1080p, no captions, no quality indicator (like PS3), slow to connect, sometimes stops to re-buffer). I could care less about the portal (what's the difference between scrolling up/down on sony versus up/down/left/right on panasonic?). It's the apps themselves that are important to me. From all the reports so far, the latest panny one seems almost perfect, when it works.
post #530 of 796
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Please let us know (in the sony thread) what you think of the Netflix app. The current sony one is sorely lacking (blind ffwd/rew, no DD5.1, no 1080p, no captions, no quality indicator (like PS3), slow to connect, sometimes stops to re-buffer). I could care less about the portal (what's the difference between scrolling up/down on sony versus up/down/left/right on panasonic?). It's the apps themselves that are important to me. From all the reports so far, the latest panny one seems almost perfect, when it works.

Yes, I shall. With my experience of the Panny, it was slow to start apps ... Java VM had to start ... then App loaded into memory. Then scrolling around was sluggish and bothersome. I never saw 1080p Netflix on the 220, despite what another member claimed. It certainly wasn't pulling a 1080p stream for me. The Hulu + app is appalling, and simply doesn't work properly and Amazon doesn't have 5.1 .... so in my eyes the Panny 220 is far from perfect .... for streaming.
post #531 of 796
You can probably use the Netflix function from the x10 series remote to bypass all that. I agree the Hulu app is garbage.

But I find Sony no better. I pick Netflix and wait several seconds then get a full screen connected message. Great, thanks for telling me the obvious. So I press ok and am back to to stupid XBM. Pick Netflix again and wait several more seconds then finally I'm in the app. If I play a title and fast fwd I have no idea where I am except for a time bar. It's one of the worst interfaces I've seen. I do sincerely hope the 590 is better.
post #532 of 796
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

You can probably use the Netflix function from the x10 series remote to bypass all that. I agree the Hulu app is garbage.

But I find Sony no better. I pick Netflix and wait several seconds then get a full screen connected message. Great, thanks for telling me the obvious. So I press ok and am back to to stupid XBM. Pick Netflix again and wait several more seconds then finally I'm in the app. If I play a title and fast fwd I have no idea where I am except for a time bar. It's one of the worst interfaces I've seen. I do sincerely hope the 590 is better.

That's odd. I don't see that on my S580. I select Netflix (either from the Netflix button on the remote, from the XMB interface or the Favorites Screen) and it loads up instantly (my internet is very fast ... 100MB/s down/60MB up). I agree with the FF/RW shortcoming although in fairness I've no reason to FF/RW through a movie (or TV show for that matter).
post #533 of 796
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in fairness I've no reason to FF/RW through a movie (or TV show for that matter).

So if you MUST take a phone call, answer the door, have an emergency like your kid spilled pop down your new couch, and you miss a scene or three, you don't rewind to see what you missed? I agree, FF is almost useless, BUT REW is extremely useful for my family...
post #534 of 796
New firmware update! Still issues playing mkv and stuff like that. Sometimes works sometimes it doesn't. Even the same file!

The damn thing just won't play nice with me...
post #535 of 796
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Please let us know (in the sony thread) what you think of the Netflix app. The current sony one is sorely lacking (blind ffwd/rew, no DD5.1, no 1080p, no captions, no quality indicator (like PS3), slow to connect, sometimes stops to re-buffer). I could care less about the portal (what's the difference between scrolling up/down on sony versus up/down/left/right on panasonic?). It's the apps themselves that are important to me. From all the reports so far, the latest panny one seems almost perfect, when it works.

What are the odds DD 5.1 or 1080p is added to the Netflix app? I'm enjoying this player but I was disappointed that Netflix is lacking these features.
post #536 of 796
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Originally Posted by paulinmn View Post

My S580 that I bought last month does not have Cinavia. But any future FW upgrade could enable it. So... I won't be running any system updates.

New firmware was made available today. It's now up to M07.R.0615 http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...99&mdl=BDPS580
Says that Cinavia is now a part of this firmware. So that means that Firmware versions M07.R.0579 and older do not contain Cinavia.
post #537 of 796
that was a close call.

I was watching a movie tonight when sony notified me for the firmware update.

It was in the middle of downloading the update when i decided to go online to see what changed. Once I saw the word cinavia I cancelled the download on the player when it was 95% downloaded. I then made a few backups of the prior M07.R.0579 firmware just in case my less tech savvy family members did the download anyways.

All is well though, I shut off the notification of updates.

But this is a truly scummy move by sony. I used to be a Sony diehard, but they seem obsessed with DRM, i cannot handle them anymore.
post #538 of 796
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Originally Posted by edlivian View Post


"I then made a few backups of the prior M07.R.0579 firmware just in case my less tech savvy family members did the download anyways.

-I'm not sure if it was on this board or another but I vaguely recall someone stating that they couldn't revert back to an older FW revision after updating. (Even via physical CD installation) It just said they could not install the FW because a newer version was already installed.

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Originally Posted by edlivian View Post

But this is a truly scummy move by sony. I used to be a Sony diehard, but they seem obsessed with DRM, i cannot handle them anymore.

-Unfortunately it's not really Sony's fault. Cinavia is a new standard DRM that has to be included on all Bluray players as of Feb 2012. Sony is actually behind the ball on this. http://www.verance.com/AdminSavR/new...php?news_id=66
post #539 of 796
It doesn't really matter whose fault it is - it is all of their fault. The end result is - I buy fewer movies than ever and rent more than ever and do not ever automatically install firmware updates and have no intentions of ever replacing my players. The objective has to be to ensure this nonsense actually costs Sony so many sales, they figure out giving money to verance to pollute titles and firmware with cinavia processing costs more than it is worth by far. Naturally I have warned everyone I know to avoid updating firmware without making sure it isn't polluted with cinavia first.
post #540 of 796
I just purchased a Sony BDP 580 and just finishing watching Drive , and through out the movie I heard the audio pop a few times , I'm bitstreaming , I played the same seen a few times and heard again so i tried PCM and the popping was gone , I then tried the movie in a different blu-ray player and there was no popping at all , upgraded to the latest firmware and the same thing happened again , does anybody have this issue
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