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"Signal sensing" power strip

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
So have a power sensing smart strip and what i need is a signal sensing power strip....

My Apple Airport Express is the center of my system. When its called upon to Airplay my garage audio system, it switches on and begins to play. It will trigger on a crossover and two amps...help, my project is almost ready to play music

Are there any units out there that will singal sense turn on ?

KG
post #2 of 27
The Clapper? (modified to accept an external signal instead of its built in mic).....
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

The Clapper? (modified to accept an external signal instead of its built in mic).....

......and the mod is done how ?
post #4 of 27
This unit will work if you have a 12v trigger:

http://www.nilesaudio.com/product.ph...rdcdID=FG00242

Also, the manufacturer of the Smart Strip also has voltage (LEG Series) and USB (LUG Series) sensing controlled strips. They are available in their online store.

http://bitsltd.net/SmartStrip
post #5 of 27
This unit would be easy to build but you would need to build in delays so quiet passages like between cuts would not bee seen as an OFF trigger.

If the unit switches ON when it sees audio, how would you want it turned off? Timeout after no signal plus a manual shutdown?
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by Gizmologist View Post

This unit would be easy to build but you would need to build in delays so quiet passages like between cuts would not bee seen as an OFF trigger.

If the unit switches ON when it sees audio, how would you want it turned off? Timeout after no signal plus a manual shutdown?

Sure, a 5 minute delay would suffice. The Airport Express doesnt trigger the main amp until music is present. I'll provide the smart strip i have now... :0)
post #7 of 27
One method is to use an LM3915 VU meter driver chip with a long duration time delay trigger circuit on the output. The system would sense an audio signal and trigger an opto-isolated solid state relay for an outlet strip.

The audio signal would continually reset the timer so it would never time out until there was a silence of say, 5 minutes- then it would shut off the power. The audio feed to the amp would be muted until the amp was powered up, then it would fade in so as to eliminate any sudden pop.

It could be configured with a manual ON/OFF trigger as well.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by Gizmologist View Post

One method is to use an LM3915 VU meter driver chip with a long duration time delay trigger circuit on the output. The system would sense an audio signal and trigger an opto-isolated solid state relay for an outlet strip.

The audio signal would continually reset the timer so it would never time out until there was a silence of say, 5 minutes- then it would shut off the power. The audio feed to the amp would be muted until the amp was powered up, then it would fade in so as to eliminate any sudden pop.

It could be configured with a manual ON/OFF trigger as well.

I'm up for it if you would be so kind as to holding my hand LOL, so to speak. I have no background in this area, but follow directions quite well...are you in ?
post #9 of 27
Let me do a little breadboarding to put the basic unit into operation.
post #10 of 27
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Let me do a little breadboarding to put the basic unit into operation.
Wow, that would be so cool ! Thanx ! Heres a pic of the gear...
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
Well they are on their shelves and they are about as tuneful and easy to listen to as anything ive heard. I simply set the mains at their max volume i would ever want, which isnt loud at all....and added the bass til it sounded right...Done !



post #12 of 27
I haven't had time to get to the shop to breadboard the controller yet, but it is on the docket.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Gizmologist View Post

I haven't had time to get to the shop to breadboard the controller yet, but it is on the docket.

Cool, i like the docket part, thats what a do all day, damn dockets.....
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
My crossover osnt a strong enough draw to trip the powerstrip hahahaha just a laugh a minute.....

This project is making me nutz.......
post #15 of 27
With a quick google search, I found this circuit. It seems logical and has low component count. The link has a description of how it works and how to adjust sensitivity.

http://sound.westhost.com/project38.htm
post #16 of 27
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Oh snap !!! I got a bunch of questions but i gotta go out to dinner...
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
Ok, i have never assembled a circuit before, besides a passive XO.

What are the U1A and U1B 1458's. What is the D1 and D2, i'm figuring a diode, but what value ?

Thats for starters.... KG
post #18 of 27
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What are the U1A and U1B 1458's.

They're op-amps, two of them are contained in one package.

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What is the D1 and D2,

They're diodes, simple rectifiers.

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but what value ?

What do you mean?
post #19 of 27
KG sorry i have not been in the shop for a while working on your strip. One thing about the schematic shown is quite different from my concept.

The L/R passive mix network will not maintain as much channel separation as the original. There really is no need for a stereo input as any audio signal present will have sufficient level on both channels to allow one to trigger the system.

The downside is that there will be a delay in the audio output as this system detects the audio signal, powers up the strip and the power amps energize. They usually have a speaker disconnect function that delays output until the power supply is fully saturated. The net effect is that the first few seconds of the first musical piece will be lost and the audio will "open" after the song has started.

My design has the same shortcoming but triggers the relay using a VU meter chip like the LM 3915. The sensitivity can easily be adjusted and and there is a settable "no signal " timer that shuts off accurately after a predetermined silent period. This is accomplished using an actual timer circuit that is user adjustable and does not depend on an unknown decay time using a standard R/C combination.
post #20 of 27
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Gizmo, are you still interested in building this. i can hobble along if i know your on it. If not, i have to break out the soldering iron and give it a wing.......

Btw, being on it doesnt mean tomorrow LOL

KG
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by kgveteran View Post

Ok, i have never assembled a circuit before, besides a passive XO.

What are the U1A and U1B 1458's. What is the D1 and D2, i'm figuring a diode, but what value ?

Thats for starters.... KG

Details of the components are discussed in the link just above the picture I provided.

As Sam64 already answered, the 1458 is a dual op-amp package, the diodes can be 1N4148 or 1N4004 types, whichever is the easiest to find (or is already at hand). They are not critical, so other types may be just as suitable (I shall leave this to the reader). Their basic purpose it to only allow current to flow in one direction.

Hope that helps.
post #22 of 27
Thread Starter 
Any idea of a good parts place online for a one stop shopping.....

Thanx
post #23 of 27
I probably already have everything here. I would to to use a solid state relay as opposed to a mechanical one. The current draw is much less than a coil relay.

I would also include an adjustable timer like a 555 to control the off delay.

If you have not worked with ICs before you may have a few learning curve issues such as controlled heat from the proper style soldering iron etc.

To make it easy, I was just going to use the VU meter board I have and add the extras as necessary. That way you can easily adjust the turn on sensitivity for low level listening.
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
This will be icing on the cake. I am soooooo happy with how it sounds right now. I'm sure most would not really hear what i hear in the mid bass and lowend, but it is so damn smooth and really fills the garage.

I down loaded Peter Gabriel's New Blood CD and there are some passages that have low energy that makes me smile everytime.

Btw, the word "most" refers to non audio people "N.A.P" :0)
post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hey Gizmo, any luck with the circuit ?
post #26 of 27
I have been working on a complicated audio video contract system so yours had to be set aside. I should be back on it in a couple days.
post #27 of 27
I'm looking for exactly the solution you describe to trigger on my tube amp and speaker subs when an audio level is detected from the airport express. Any luck? I have an electrical engineering degree, but it's been a LOOONG time since I built a circuit so I'm not sure how successful I'd be. Looking to leach off of you guys
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