Microsoft fires the first shot in the "NEXT" generation.... - Page 52

Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami

intellivision is one of the best systems i have ever owned!! i figured as long as we are off topic and just talking crazy i wanted in on the action

Originally Posted by darthjames

My guess is that they'll either do a proprietary format, or strike some deal using their Lawyers and Magic Pixie Dust to use Blu - Ray without having to use Java.

Originally Posted by darthjames

HD DVD is dead. Microsoft will *not* include an HD DVD drive as consumers will gag at the thought. You, or I won't but your average consumer will.

*snip*

My guess is that they'll either do a proprietary format

Originally Posted by mbyrnes

I was in Ireland for 2 weeks and traveled all over. Their internet speeds are terrible. The average household could pay a large sum of cash to max out with an 8MB connection. Most can't afford that so they have something like 1.5MB. The highest I found in the country was 15MB in a large Hotel.

Even with the higher speeds their internet crawled. There were a few instances that pages took a minute or two to load. That was Yahoo.ie so it wasn't going to the USA. It brought me back to dial-up days and I quickly remembered how terrible it used to be to go online. It was so frustrating that I only got online to check the Phillies scores from the night before as I could get that info pretty fast.

I would imagine there are a lot of countries in the world with these same problems. DD only will not be happening anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Daekwan

Well.. duh. How can you contradict yourself in the exact same statement.

Thats what people have been saying all along. That **IF** MS does use HDDVD disc in the next Xbox.. it will be for storage purposed only, not for movie playback.

The consumer doesnt a give a flying fock what 'format' their optical storage is in. They only care about playing games.

Originally Posted by mbyrnes

I was in Ireland for 2 weeks and traveled all over. Their internet speeds are terrible. The average household could pay a large sum of cash to max out with an 8MB connection. Most can't afford that so they have something like 1.5MB. The highest I found in the country was 15MB in a large Hotel.

Even with the higher speeds their internet crawled. There were a few instances that pages took a minute or two to load. That was Yahoo.ie so it wasn't going to the USA. It brought me back to dial-up days and I quickly remembered how terrible it used to be to go online. It was so frustrating that I only got online to check the Phillies scores from the night before as I could get that info pretty fast.

I would imagine there are a lot of countries in the world with these same problems. DD only will not be happening anytime soon.

Originally Posted by barrelbelly

Totally agree Darth! MS only abandoned Blu-R when BRG bought Sun Micro/JAVA into the game. See how this goes YRD. You didn't forbid me to say Blu-Ray. I just switched hats!

Originally Posted by Daekwan

Well.. duh. How can you contradict yourself in the exact same statement.

Thats what people have been saying all along. That **IF** MS does use HDDVD disc in the next Xbox.. it will be for storage purposed only, not for movie playback.

The consumer doesnt a give a flying fock what 'format' their optical storage is in. They only care about playing games.

Originally Posted by Daekwan

Will internet access/speeds/pricing be available at a level to the vast majority of consumers, where a DD only console can be launched in 2014 or 2015 is the real question? I honestly think it can happen with the right R&D. There would have to be a optional optical disc unit, available in some for, if for anything to allow backward compabililty for current disc based games.

I do think it is plausible that in 2014-2015 we could see a DD only version of nextgen consoles. As the optional external disc drive can easily be added via a USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt connection if it was needed. The same way the Netbook/Tablet computer can presently work with or without an optical drive.

Originally Posted by darthjames

Excuse me but HD DVD is not a proprietary format. It was a standard that was open and available for anyone to produce.

You are naive if you truly believe that a new console, powered by an HD DVD disc is going to sell. As I stated before, we don't care. Joe Dirt sitting on his couch will remember 'Gosh darn didn't that HD DVD lose?It was a sub par product". It's not going to happen.

If they go for optical storage, it will be Blu Ray (with aforementioned loophole 'discovered' to not pay a dime to Sun or alternatively use Java), or something proprietary, Microsoft-Specific, Closed, Not available for others to use, Not licensed, Not maintained by a committe, etc. Proprietary.

Originally Posted by darthjames

Excuse me but HD DVD is not a proprietary format. It was a standard that was open and available for anyone to produce.

You are naive if you truly believe that a new console, powered by an HD DVD disc is going to sell. As I stated before, we don't care. Joe Dirt sitting on his couch will remember 'Gosh darn didn't that HD DVD lose? It was a sub par product". It's not going to happen.

If they go for optical storage, it will be Blu Ray (with aforementioned loophole 'discovered' to not pay a dime to Sun or alternatively use Java), or something proprietary, Microsoft-Specific, Closed, Not available for others to use, Not licensed, Not maintained by a committe, etc. Proprietary.

Originally Posted by alpha21

arggg!!

Originally Posted by Daekwan

Will internet access/speeds/pricing be available at a level to the vast majority of consumers, where a DD only console can be launched in 2014 or 2015 is the real question?

Originally Posted by darthjames

ArggH!!

Originally Posted by barrelbelly


The "fracturing the market" paradigm was a legit and rich discussion to have regarding this topic. I believe that particular conversation would have eventually led us closer to what MS is actually planning to do. But it got hi-jacked by a few insulting epistles...from a few new posters...who didn't bother to research previous comments...to ascertain how we flesh out concepts on this thread. There is a big difference between saying "I don't get where you are coming from...but I think I disagree with you"...to "You don't have a clue what you are talking about you Dumbsh!t". That is where I tend to draw the line on who I talk too.

Them's fighting words!

Originally Posted by darthjames

Sorry dude, while it's a nice thought it's not going to happen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Internet_users

7% of the world population has a broadband connection. XBOX is available in over 32 countries.

Nintendo and Sony would KILL Microsoft if they were to isolate 93% of the world.

Originally Posted by number1laing

No.

You're just asking for too much. What mbyrnes is talking about affects millions of people, across the world. Not like, in sub-Saharan Africa either. Lack of broadband access is a problem here in this country, even after 13+ years of broadband rollout work.

This is not a problem that will be fixed in 3 years. In fact it probably will never be fixed completely, and companies have to see if locking out all those customers is worth it. I doubt Sony and MS will think so.

Not just that, but the providers are starting to implement data caps. Yea, it sucks, but that is reality - if you only have 250 gigs a month, are you going to want to spend 10% or 20% of that to download one game?

Originally Posted by mboojigga

Now take the current Gold accounts of 30 million users and the 70 million PSN accounts across their consoles and handhelds and then see how it is irrelevant that 7% of the world population is using broadband. Billions of people do not own current gen systems so I don't see what purpose it is to point out the world population when they all don't play video games in the first place. Nintendo and Sony also rely on that same broadband spectrum and that is assuming if Sony and Nintendo doesn't go the same route as well.

Originally Posted by number1laing

No.

Not just that, but the providers are starting to implement data caps. Yea, it sucks, but that is reality - if you only have 250 gigs a month, are you going to want to spend 10% or 20% of that to download one game?

Originally Posted by mboojigga

Joe Dirt is not going to care about what format is in a console.

"This is disappointing, i havent got a PS3 or blu-ray player so was hoping Wii U would play them. No DVD movies either like the Wii? "

bollox was hoping for up-resed Mario Galaxy ... Really cant see why it cant do it ...

Looks like I got to buy a blu ray player, Shame I was hoping they would include one

BluRay is Sony's proprietary format, you're never going to see it on a Nintendo or Microsoft console

I think not making it compatible with blu ray is a mistake, fair enough they probably would have had to pay a license fee but for me this will probably stop me from getting it. I already have a ps3 that does everything I want to do in one machine - if the vita comes up with a similar remote play facility like the wiiu ipadwanabee controller then I will get one of these instead.

Originally Posted by mboojigga

Movie playback by the time the nextbox comes out will not be a factor in purchasing the system.

Originally Posted by number1laing

This is not a problem that will be fixed in 3 years. In fact it probably will never be fixed completely, and companies have to see if locking out all those customers is worth it. I doubt Sony and MS will think so.

Originally Posted by king3pj

I'm not sure if you're talking about me here but since I'm new I would guess you probably are. You're right I didn't read through every page of this 50-some page thread, but I did read through the first 15 or so and then the last 5 or so before I made any comments. If you read through my posts though I don't think I have made any insulting comments or attacked anything you or anyone else said. If anything your replies have been the insulting/confrontational posts, not mine.

From what I read it was a pretty interesting discussion and I decided to share my opinion on it. We are all just gamers excited to see what is coming next. None of us know for sure what that will be but to me that's a big part of the fun in new system launches.

Originally Posted by confidenceman

It may not be up to Sony and MS, though. It's the publishers who are pushing most strongly for a DD future.

For the major pubs, they're now looking at about 50% of total revenue from DD. However, the margins are much higher for DD and remain higher for longer (retail doesn't just cost more to produce/distribute, it also drops price faster to clear space for newer product; and there's the whole issue with used sales). What that means is that once we reach the tipping point where the percentage of total revenue is high enough that real profit from DD far surpasses physical sales, then publishers will think very seriously about dropping discs altogether. It also has a cascading effect. As DD picks up speed, it makes physical media (distribution, manufacturing, retail) exponentially more expensive with exponentially decreasing margins.

Basically, that means pubs can make much more money selling DD to fewer customers than with physical media. So it may not matter that large percentages of the current consumer base are without decent broadband. Profit is king, and at a certain point it no longer is cost effective to bother with physical media. But that's maybe 5 years or more down the road.

As for the next console and whether it's all DD or not, it all depends on when it's released. If it's released before that tipping point, it'll have physical media. If after, it won't. My sense is that MS will release a console before that tipping point, so it'll definitely have physical media. But it'll probably be the last console gen to do so.

Originally Posted by Daekwan

The problem with "I was in" thinking.. is you guys are continually living in the past. This is the future we are talking about.. 3 or 4 years down the road from now. Internet speeds will increase, Internet availability will increase, Internet access costs will decrease. All technology becomes faster and cheaper as time passes on, this is inevitable.

Will internet access/speeds/pricing be available at a level to the vast majority of consumers, where a DD only console can be launched in 2014 or 2015 is the real question? I honestly think it can happen with the right R&D. There would have to be a optional optical disc unit, available in some for, if for anything to allow backward compabililty for current disc based games.

I do think it is plausible that in 2014-2015 we could see a DD only version of nextgen consoles. As the optional external disc drive can easily be added via a USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt connection if it was needed. The same way the Netbook/Tablet computer can presently work with or without an optical drive.

Originally Posted by totalownership

At this point that war should be over (gotta say though, I remember working with JAVA is it's early days and did not think it was going to make it. Talk about SLOOOOOOOOW, whew. I used to work for Sun and they was putting it everywhere they could.). JAVA is entrenched where it's at and it's pretty much at the "live with it" stage so MS really needs to move on.

Originally Posted by darthjames

Sorry dude, while it's a nice thought it's not going to happen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Internet_users

7% of the world population has a broadband connection. XBOX is available in over 32 countries.

Nintendo and Sony would KILL Microsoft if they were to isolate 93% of the world.

Originally Posted by gameboy

MOST. IDIOTIC. POST. EVER. (...on this thread)

Who the F' cares if people in Tanzania do not have broadband connection?

Originally Posted by nostradamus

Xbox is available for sale in 32 countries which just happens to be the 32 countries with the most advanced network infrastructure - mostly in US, Europe, East Asia, and Australia. Probably 99% of the countries outside those 32 do not have readily accessible connection to the Internet

Originally Posted by nostradamus

In fact, a large number of 32 countries like South Korea, Japan, Germany, etc. have much faster connection speed and is much more widely available than US!

Originally Posted by nostradamus

Even in countries like India where Xbox is sold, where 99% of the population do not have access to Internet, it does not matter!

Originally Posted by nostradamus

People who don't have Internet access cannot afford to purchase Xbox either, so it is a moot point.

Originally Posted by nostradamus

The people who can afford Xbox, have ready access to high-speed Internet even in places like India.

Originally Posted by darthjames

Microsoft is totally trying to position the XBOX brand as the center of your media experience in your living room. Movie Playback is a Priority-Zero feature!