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post #2431 of 6091
1/14/12 at 6:06am
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How can you max out Skyrim for under $200, and what resolution/framerate are you able to run it at?

Speaking strictly about the video card, he's not too far off. You're still talking several hundred more for the whole system, but back about 3 years ago I was running fallout 3 maxed at 60fps at like 1400x900 on a $150 card and $100 CPU. SSD also meant load times were more like quick fades to black. It was glorious. PCs are SOOOOO far ahead of consoles today it's ridiculous. But the plug and play experience is as far away as ever, and you're still chained to a desk.
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post #2432 of 6091
1/14/12 at 6:14am
Yeah, you ain't maxxin out Skyrim for $200. Even with the "unofficial patch" to boost frames in cities I can get my 580GTX overclocked on a 4.6Ghz i7 into the low 30's (but admittedly most of the time I'm in the 70's to 90's for framerate. The patch gave me more than 10fps overall, color me impressed.

However, you aren't chained to a desk if you play the games via the microsoft wireless pad. To be fair, the only games I still play with a mouse/keyboard are FPS's. 3rd person games I'll go right to the joypad, since most if not all of them are console ports to begin with. And thanks to crappy porting, most of the time those games dont even work properly UNLESS you use the joypad, with PC mouse/keyboard controls being a sloppy afterthought in too many cases.

But a console is designed, from the get go, for gaming from the couch. Period. The End. And its where they excel. I don't like the hassle of keeping a wireless keyboard/mouse/pad near my couch and having to squint at 1080p text on my displays (even on my projectors), so my PC is for my desk. And I did run a 37" monitor so my PC game display was plenty "big" considering how close I was on it, but I've recently downgraded to 32"....needed a smaller footprint on my desk and the graphics actually look a tad sharper due to the smaller size but same physical resolution.

The PC doesn't even have integrated chat as a norm....most games you still need to run a 3rd party app, get your friends to connect to the same ip/room you are in/created, etc...still a hassle.
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post #2433 of 6091
1/14/12 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

How can you max out Skyrim for under $200, and what resolution/framerate are you able to run it at?

My video card only cost me $180. I've been playing skyrim. Runs at 1920 x 1080 with an average frame rate of about 34. That's with settings on ultra. I'm not to far into the game. But I just played a part where I killed a dragon. Had a lot of action. It wasn't choppy at all.
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post #2434 of 6091
1/14/12 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post


Speaking strictly about the video card, he's not too far off. You're still talking several hundred more for the whole system, but back about 3 years ago I was running fallout 3 maxed at 60fps at like 1400x900 on a $150 card and $100 CPU. SSD also meant load times were more like quick fades to black. It was glorious. PCs are SOOOOO far ahead of consoles today it's ridiculous. But the plug and play experience is as far away as ever, and you're still chained to a desk.

Bingo. Most if us. If not all of us here already have a PC. So I was purely talking the addition of a card. Either way. It isn't half as expensive as one would think. And the ability to customize every game they way you vision it is pretty freakin awesome. Plus I can use my 360 controller. What's not to love.
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post #2435 of 6091
1/14/12 at 6:53am
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Yeah, you ain't maxxin out Skyrim for $200. Even with the "unofficial patch" to boost frames in cities I can get my 580GTX overclocked on a 4.6Ghz i7 into the low 30's (but admittedly most of the time I'm in the 70's to 90's for framerate. The patch gave me more than 10fps overall, color me impressed.

However, you aren't chained to a desk if you play the games via the microsoft wireless pad. To be fair, the only games I still play with a mouse/keyboard are FPS's. 3rd person games I'll go right to the joypad, since most if not all of them are console ports to begin with. And thanks to crappy porting, most of the time those games dont even work properly UNLESS you use the joypad, with PC mouse/keyboard controls being a sloppy afterthought in too many cases.

But a console is designed, from the get go, for gaming from the couch. Period. The End. And its where they excel. I don't like the hassle of keeping a wireless keyboard/mouse/pad near my couch and having to squint at 1080p text on my displays (even on my projectors), so my PC is for my desk. And I did run a 37" monitor so my PC game display was plenty "big" considering how close I was on it, but I've recently downgraded to 32"....needed a smaller footprint on my desk and the graphics actually look a tad sharper due to the smaller size but same physical resolution.

The PC doesn't even have integrated chat as a norm....most games you still need to run a 3rd party app, get your friends to connect to the same ip/room you are in/created, etc...still a hassle.

Might want to check your PC then because your CPU is way stringer then mine and I run ultra just fine. No choppy. No errors. Runs beautifully.
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post #2436 of 6091
1/17/12 at 1:08pm
"At the Consumer Electronics Show this week, for example, Microsoft and News Corp announced a partnership that will allow Fox Broadcast, Fox News, IGN and The Wall Street Journal to offer apps on its Xbox Live service."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80A1KL20120111

I absolutely don't trust a media or internet collaboration like this. And stuff like this will begin the swift drop downward for MS and XBox IMO. When XBox becomes simply a vehicle for paranoid FoxNews political agendas...I'm out of it and XBox Live. I want no association with Rupert Murdoch or his criminal empire. Especially in a damn game console. Someone needs to put some serious brakes on Ballmer's/MS' media agenda with that Australian snake. Bottom line is this for me. If NexBox includes Newscorp in any way shape or form...I won't touch one. And if this collaboration really emerges on XBox 360...I'm cancelling XBox Live altogether. I hate Bing!
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post #2437 of 6091
1/17/12 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

"At the Consumer Electronics Show this week, for example, Microsoft and News Corp announced a partnership that will allow Fox Broadcast, Fox News, IGN and The Wall Street Journal to offer apps on its Xbox Live service."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80A1KL20120111

I absolutely don't trust a media or internet collaboration like this. And stuff like this will begin the swift drop downward for MS and XBox IMO. When XBox becomes simply a vehicle for paranoid FoxNews political agendas...I'm out of it and XBox Live. I want no association with Rupert Murdoch or his criminal empire. Especially in a damn game console. Someone needs to put some serious brakes on Ballmer's/MS' media agenda with that Australian snake. Bottom line is this for me. If NexBox includes Newscorp in any way shape or form...I won't touch one. And if this collaboration really emerges on XBox 360...I'm cancelling XBox Live altogether. I hate Bing!

Isn't that like canceling cable because fox news is a channel?
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post #2438 of 6091
1/17/12 at 3:48pm
Yeah I don't get the doomsday scenario over having the option to view anything related to Newscorp.
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post #2439 of 6091
1/17/12 at 4:09pm
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Isn't that like canceling cable because fox news is a channel?

No it's not. If you have cable...you already have a cable box to watch it on. That's where I expect to watch FoxNews...if I want too. I turn on an XBox to play games and escape from the hate babble of cable news/political propaganda, among other things. I just think MS is infecting that game console with a plague of worthless apps. And now they appear to be forcing a political agenda on me. So they are nearing crash with me. This isn't a doomday scenario either. It's just 1 potential customer XBox and MS are about to lose for marrying up with an organization and individual I don't particularly care for. And I would be turned off if they colluded with the DNC the same way. MS is on a slippery slope here. If this is their direction...I will be all in with Sony PS & Nintendo NextGen the next time around. At least they seem to know what business they are in.
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post #2440 of 6091
1/17/12 at 4:47pm
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No it's not. If you have cable...you already have a cable box to watch it on. That's where I expect to watch FoxNews...if I want too. I turn on an XBox to play games and escape from the hate babble of cable news/political propaganda, among other things. I just think MS is infecting that game console with a plague of worthless apps. And now they appear to be forcing a political agenda on me. So they are nearing crash with me. This isn't a doomday scenario either. It's just 1 potential customer XBox and MS are about to lose for marrying up with an organization and individual I don't particularly care for. And I would be turned off if they colluded with the DNC the same way. MS is on a slippery slope here. If this is their direction...I will be all in with Sony PS & Nintendo NextGen the next time around. At least they seem to know what business they are in.

So it was okay when they offered MSNBC because they are associated with them but now they offer the option with Fox as simply an option like everything else on the system and MS is forcing a political agenda on you? Nothing to do with them simply wanting to be the central hub for everything as they have always planned? Same thing Sony has also stated their goal is as well.
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post #2441 of 6091
1/17/12 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post


No it's not. If you have cable...you already have a cable box to watch it on. That's where I expect to watch FoxNews...if I want too. I turn on an XBox to play games and escape from the hate babble of cable news/political propaganda, among other things. I just think MS is infecting that game console with a plague of worthless apps. And now they appear to be forcing a political agenda on me. So they are nearing crash with me. This isn't a doomday scenario either. It's just 1 potential customer XBox and MS are about to lose for marrying up with an organization and individual I don't particularly care for. And I would be turned off if they colluded with the DNC the same way. MS is on a slippery slope here. If this is their direction...I will be all in with Sony PS & Nintendo NextGen the next time around. At least they seem to know what business they are in.

I just don't see the part where they're forcing their agenda on you.
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post #2442 of 6091
1/17/12 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I just don't see the part where they're forcing their agenda on you.

They're already forcing their pro-sports agenda on us with the ESPN app and now this?!?! To the streets!
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post #2443 of 6091
1/17/12 at 11:29pm
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I just don't see the part where they're forcing their agenda on you.

Easy answer bd2003. I can't take Newscorp or Bing off my XBox if I don't want it. And I certainly won't accept paying for it bundled in the XBox Live fee. If it wasn't a political agenda...Rupert Murdoch/Newscorp wouldn't be doing it. If I could delete the Newscorp programs from my menu of apps, I wouldn't have a probem with it. But I can't. So it's being forced on me.

IMO Newscorp is a blatant...naked political operation with nothing to do with video games and little to do with non partisan journalism or news. MSNBC is a smaller, middle of the road version of the same thing. Frankly I don't like either one of them. And I started whining about this negative app bloating a few months ago, when MS loaded up the dashboard with crap apps in the fall download. That update also screwed up my Xbox 360. It hasn't worked right since.

Lookit...I don't want to turn this great thread into a discourse on politics. But it is actually MS causing it, by slamming political news down my throat in a game console. I get enough of that crap on cable right now. I personally don't want any of that junk on a gaming console. It's JMO...but XBox Live is moving into areas where I absolutely won't follow it. I have a PC/internet, multiple HDTVs and Verizon Fios for all of the news and propaganda I want. Just wait and see. Soon you'll be getting invasive political ad intercepts from FoxNews & its affiliates before you can play a game on XBox. That's just how this stuff evolves.

Bottom line is this...all of the great ideas we've discussed about the technical possibilities for NexBox means nothing, if all we get is a blizzard of unnecessary political garbage and trash apps through it. Sorry but I don't want Bill O'Reilly or Rachel Madddow streamed over my game console. But that's just me.
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post #2444 of 6091
1/18/12 at 2:52am
I think you're in a distinct, very small minority who would interpret the availability of something you are in no way forced to actually watch or use on the Xbox as it being forced on you, or better yet shoved down your throat. The latter especially implies Microsoft will be tying you to your couch and forcing you to watch it. A little hysterical don't you think?

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post #2445 of 6091
1/18/12 at 3:02am
and barrellbelly has jumped the shark...

I'm excited about the Fox addition. Fringe and Simpsons on Xbox? Sounds good to me.
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post #2446 of 6091
1/18/12 at 4:09am
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We are about to dive dangerously into the waters of SCALING versus native rendering......Dolphin games look better because you're taking a low rez 720x480 image and applying filters and such to it, then scaling it to the native resolution of a computer monitor. Do you just want to scale to 2k or 4k? Any TV will be capable of that in the future I imagine, the way an Xbox now scales whatever the native resolution is up to 720p or 1080i/p with its internal scaling hardware.



"Had they had the foresight to build flexibility into the platform"??? If you want a system that runs games at native resolutions, just plug a PC into your system and wait for a GPU that can drive games at that resolution.

I watched as year after year games improved "slightly" in the visuals department, and every time a new game engine would come out that really 'changed things up', like the Source engine or the Quake 3 engine or the Unreal 3 engine, etc.....then it took years for GPU's to come out that really allowed the games to run fast AND let developers do 'the most they could with the engine'.

It took years, a decade to get from Half Life 1 to Crysis, and we are still having some issues running Crysis with all the eycandy turned on. YES there is a programming aspect to take in here too, some game engines are just more efficient than others.

But I'd hate to see us restart that cycle again, where instead of games looking better and better, we see the shift to GPU makers trying to drive ever-higher resolutions that only a small subset of owners will appreciate.

And then what will that small subset of owners do? They'll complain. Yeah they'll complain that their $1000 videocard can push a 4K resolution game but the game " Doesn't look that good".....it doesn't have the fancy reflecting and bump speculation arbitration mutilation mapping effects and stuff.....why? Because that will take another 3-4 years to come out.

Why? Because Nvidia and AMD only exist as long as people like you and I upgrade.

I have no doubt that AMD and NVIDIA could release a videocard today that does 10 times the performance of a current gen board....say a GTX580. The problem is, once they sold a few hundred thousand of them.

well.

They'd go out of business because nobody would need a "more powerful card" when it would take artists and programmers years upon years to make games that caught up with the hardware.

This is all calculated. And why you wont see 2k or 4k native support. They'll release 'another system for that' and we'll all buy it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If nvidia could come out with a 10 more powerful card today they would. You have no idea how scary their business position is for them and their shareholders. I do not think they will score a single console win this round. THey are looking at elimination as they have lost their chipset business and ATI merged with AMD and intel tries to move HD up.

Everyone knows resolution is not the only factor in image quality but it is a major factor. The image quality of anything is a proper balance of the existing hardware, that means all the hardware. A DVD only has so much space and same with a blu ray and the average hard drive. So yes you could increase the resolution of all the textures in a game but then who could afford to store it on anything? Rage was the perfect example of this, megatextures were suppose to be a revolution but they were not because they have to be limited in size in order to fit on a DVD or even a persons hard drive. So what happened rage was a total dissapointment for gamers because it looked bad.

So a game company looks and tries to figure out what the right balance of everything is. The problem now is that many companies used to be PC only and have moved to consoles. As such they are faced with a new problem. NOTHING on consoles is changing. SO they have no options but to keep reducing everything to try to make games run on the consoles.

This is the only change in gaming that has taken place in the last 15 years. Not whatever you are talking about.

Consoles run at low resolution because they are out of juice. They have nothing left to give because it is such old hardware.
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post #2447 of 6091
1/18/12 at 4:36am
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Easy answer bd2003. I can't take Newscorp or Bing off my XBox if I don't want it. And I certainly won't accept paying for it bundled in the XBox Live fee. If it wasn't a political agenda...Rupert Murdoch/Newscorp wouldn't be doing it. If I could delete the Newscorp programs from my menu of apps, I wouldn't have a probem with it. But I can't. So it's being forced on me.

IMO Newscorp is a blatant...naked political operation with nothing to do with video games and little to do with non partisan journalism or news. MSNBC is a smaller, middle of the road version of the same thing. Frankly I don't like either one of them. And I started whining about this negative app bloating a few months ago, when MS loaded up the dashboard with crap apps in the fall download. That update also screwed up my Xbox 360. It hasn't worked right since.

Lookit...I don't want to turn this great thread into a discourse on politics. But it is actually MS causing it, by slamming political news down my throat in a game console. I get enough of that crap on cable right now. I personally don't want any of that junk on a gaming console. It's JMO...but XBox Live is moving into areas where I absolutely won't follow it. I have a PC/internet, multiple HDTVs and Verizon Fios for all of the news and propaganda I want. Just wait and see. Soon you'll be getting invasive political ad intercepts from FoxNews & its affiliates before you can play a game on XBox. That's just how this stuff evolves.

Bottom line is this...all of the great ideas we've discussed about the technical possibilities for NexBox means nothing, if all we get is a blizzard of unnecessary political garbage and trash apps through it. Sorry but I don't want Bill O'Reilly or Rachel Madddow streamed over my game console. But that's just me.

Fox news is just as available on PC better get rid of it. Sony will likely get a deal with fox too better get rid of it too. Maybe Nintendo won't do media but probably they will so I guess your out of gaming luck. And I don't know anyone more politically biased thuan Chris Mattews or more hateful the Oberman. Though I guess he's not there anymore. Hard for me to keep track as all 24 hour news is the same stuff over and over so I tend to ignore it unless there is a particular event I am interested in. I imagine it will be just as easy to ignore on Xbox as it is on cable or my laptop. Probably easier to ignore the political stuff on xbox than on you tv or land line phone.
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post #2448 of 6091
1/18/12 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post


Easy answer bd2003. I can't take Newscorp or Bing off my XBox if I don't want it. And I certainly won't accept paying for it bundled in the XBox Live fee. If it wasn't a political agenda...Rupert Murdoch/Newscorp wouldn't be doing it. If I could delete the Newscorp programs from my menu of apps, I wouldn't have a probem with it. But I can't. So it's being forced on me.

IMO Newscorp is a blatant...naked political operation with nothing to do with video games and little to do with non partisan journalism or news. MSNBC is a smaller, middle of the road version of the same thing. Frankly I don't like either one of them. And I started whining about this negative app bloating a few months ago, when MS loaded up the dashboard with crap apps in the fall download. That update also screwed up my Xbox 360. It hasn't worked right since.

Lookit...I don't want to turn this great thread into a discourse on politics. But it is actually MS causing it, by slamming political news down my throat in a game console. I get enough of that crap on cable right now. I personally don't want any of that junk on a gaming console. It's JMO...but XBox Live is moving into areas where I absolutely won't follow it. I have a PC/internet, multiple HDTVs and Verizon Fios for all of the news and propaganda I want. Just wait and see. Soon you'll be getting invasive political ad intercepts from FoxNews & its affiliates before you can play a game on XBox. That's just how this stuff evolves.

Bottom line is this...all of the great ideas we've discussed about the technical possibilities for NexBox means nothing, if all we get is a blizzard of unnecessary political garbage and trash apps through it. Sorry but I don't want Bill O'Reilly or Rachel Madddow streamed over my game console. But that's just me.

That was an easy answer?

I don't care for fox news either. But that's a few impressive leaps of logic Im not willing to make.
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post #2449 of 6091
1/18/12 at 7:48am
It would be nice to be able to get rid of the tabs we don't want on our dashboard. Maybe we get that soon, so we can customize our console experience to what we want. Worst case, you can just quit LIVE altogether and keep your XBox offline.
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post #2450 of 6091
1/18/12 at 8:04am
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It would be nice to be able to get rid of the tabs we don't want on our dashboard. Maybe we get that soon, so we can customize our console experience to what we want. Worst case, you can just quit LIVE altogether and keep your XBox offline.

Yeah, I'm with you. Unfortunately we're a captive audience. Their box, their service, their rules. It's not enough to make me not want to use it yet. At least there's no competitor offering a better service to force them to change. It's definitely contemptuous of their customers, but Sony is no better.
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post #2451 of 6091
1/18/12 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

... Fringe and Simpsons on Xbox? Sounds good to me.

Well, Fringe anyway. Best show on TV.

Simpsons lost its luster 15+ years ago.
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post #2452 of 6091
1/18/12 at 11:07am
Quote:Originally Posted by garciab
It would be nice to be able to get rid of the tabs we don't want on our dashboard. Maybe we get that soon, so we can customize our console experience to what we want. Worst case, you can just quit LIVE altogether and keep your XBox offline.


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Yeah, I'm with you. Unfortunately we're a captive audience. Their box, their service, their rules. It's not enough to make me not want to use it yet. At least there's no competitor offering a better service to force them to change. It's definitely contemptuous of their customers, but Sony is no better.

That's all I'm really saying here. Those are exactly the points I'm trying to make. I think MS is pushing XBox too far into needless stuff that don't matter in the gaming world. And they run the risk of turning a lot of folks off. Okay...I went way over the top with my hate politics rant. But I truly despise what Rupert Murdoch has done to credible news with NewsCorp around the world. Just look how he undermined the British and Australian Governments. And he is now doing the same thing in America.

My last word on the political stuff is this. I am truly a moderate person. I'm liberal socially and very conservative financially. My household is like a mini UN and I love it! My extended family through children and In-Laws are African, European/Brazilian, Japanese and American. WE all love exch other (including us parents). And we don't need a bigoted...poison organization like Newscorp trying to constantly divide us into little pockets of hate. Especially on a damn game console!

I like news served to me like Cronkite...Downs...Koppel...Jennings and all of the old networks used to report it. They didn't routinely personally attack and trash the people's elected representatives. I personally admired and liked President's GHW Bush and GW Bush. I respected how they managed extremely difficult hands dealt them. I admired and liked President's Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama based on the exact same criteria. I don't want to be force fed network liars like Newscorp and MSNBC on my game machine 24/7. I reject them telling me the hateful and divisive news slants about our leaders or just news stories in general. That's why I don't even watch them anymore. I leave that infection on cable and the internet where I can't do anything about it. I certainly won't pay for that junk again with a beefed up XBox Live subscription. Like I said...I think MS is on a slippery slope now with XBox. This kind of negative programming can turn a lot of people off. We are not talking about the Simpson's here. We're talking about NewsCorp! The same company under indictment in the UK for fraud, bribery, extortion, telephone hacking and crimes against the government. ANd they are under investigation in the USA over the same sordid stuff. That's a big deal. And I won't pay for it on an XBox or PS.
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post #2453 of 6091
1/18/12 at 11:35am
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Quote:Originally Posted by garciab
It would be nice to be able to get rid of the tabs we don't want on our dashboard. Maybe we get that soon, so we can customize our console experience to what we want. Worst case, you can just quit LIVE altogether and keep your XBox offline.


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That's all I'm really saying here. Those are exactly the points I'm trying to make. I think MS is pushing XBox too far into needless stuff that don't matter in the gaming world. And they run the risk of turning a lot of folks off. Okay...I went way over the top with my hate politics rant. But I truly despise what Rupert Murdoch has done to credible news with NewsCorp around the world. Just look how he undermined the British and Australian Governments. And he is now doing the same thing in America.

You went beyond over the top. Don't download the app if you don't want to. Fox on Xbox is a good thing. Now I don't have to worry about whether Terra Nova recorded properly any more. Alcatraz's premise looks interesting. And I'm still a Gleek (it's finally getting back to being good this season as opposed to the horrible second season).

I downloaded TMZ because it was free. But I have yet to actually sit down and watch its content.

And you don't pay for Xbox Live Gold for any one thing. I pay for it mainly for the social aspects of Xbox, especially the party chats. So multiplayer gaming is a perk. Multimedia stuff is a perk. Netflix is a perk.

Sure, if I only wanted Netflix, there are better options. Get a WD TV or a Roku or something else. But I don't only want Netflix. I want everything. And everything for $3 a month is not a bad thing.
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post #2454 of 6091
1/18/12 at 12:02pm
@ onlysublime: "You went beyond over the top."

There is no such place. One is either on top...over it...or under it. I already admitted I was over it...so what is your point? Okay...you love NewsCorp. I hate it. You appear to think MS/XBox Live pricing will remain static with all of this crap app bloat. I don't. You are willing to look past Rupert Murdoch's corrosive effect on media as long as he feeds your passion. I won't. I need TV, Cable and the internet to stay connected. I don't need a game console duplicating those venues! I love gaming...But I don't need it. I can absolutely discard this hobby if providers begin to offend me or take me for granted. IMO MS is subtlely marrying up real world monsters (Rupert Murdoch/Newscorp) with the world of pretend monsters (gaming consoles). All I'm saying is I for one will shut MS down in my house if they continue down this path. I can always go Apple and PC and be extremely happy, as long as they stay away from that Newscorp slimeball too.
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1/18/12 at 1:43pm
Wow, I just have to comment. Hard to believe a true gamer would put down their favorite game machine for politics. I buy Live for the multiplayer gaming. All the other stuff is just that, stuff. You can look at it, or not. Just like a newspaper, you can read the article or not. Your choice.

Just....WOW....
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post #2456 of 6091
1/18/12 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

IMO Newscorp is a blatant...naked political operation with nothing to do with video games and little to do with non partisan journalism or news. MSNBC is a smaller, middle of the road version of the same thing. .

Middle of the road

Anyways, this is the nextbox thread not politics. If you want to continue "Fox is the devil reincarnated" please create a thread elsewhere so we can talk about the "Gaming" of the nextbox.

Thank you
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1/18/12 at 2:24pm
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@ onlysublime: "You went beyond over the top."

There is no such place. One is either on top...over it...or under it. I already admitted I was over it...so what is your point? Okay...you love NewsCorp. I hate it. You appear to think MS/XBox Live pricing will remain static with all of this crap app bloat. I don't. You are willing to look past Rupert Murdoch's corrosive effect on media as long as he feeds your passion. I won't. I need TV, Cable and the internet to stay connected. I don't need a game console duplicating those venues! I love gaming...But I don't need it. I can absolutely discard this hobby if providers begin to offend me or take me for granted. IMO MS is subtlely marrying up real world monsters (Rupert Murdoch/Newscorp) with the world of pretend monsters (gaming consoles). All I'm saying is I for one will shut MS down in my house if they continue down this path. I can always go Apple and PC and be extremely happy, as long as they stay away from that Newscorp slimeball too.

You can live your life angry at the world or you can live your life. It's your choice.

If you're going to go bat crazy over this, you should give up your Apple, Sony, Microsoft, Samsung, etc. devices because Foxconn is having people make these electronic devices for pennies per hour.
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1/18/12 at 4:31pm
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Middle of the road

Anyways, this is the nextbox thread not politics. If you want to continue "Fox is the devil reincarnated" please create a thread elsewhere so we can talk about the "Gaming" of the nextbox.

Thank you

Dude:
I'll talk about what I darn well please. And if you would read instead of react from an apparent privileged perch...you would understand this is an appropriate discussion to have in the context of platform direction...relative to NexBox and the entire gaming industry. I don't recall any of your prior comments on this thread. Please refresh my memory.

Onlysublime...
I do indeed respect your comments/opinions as a frequent and incisive commenter on this thread. But I assure you I am not going nuts over this issue. Nor am I angry with the world. Just MS! Heck...the world is sort of my family. I am p'o'ed about all things Newscorp though. And that's where MS incurred my personal wrath. If you lived on the other side of their marketed hatred...you'd understand my disgust with this MS decision. I'm sure that to MS this is just business. Well the late...great Steve Jobs had the strength of character and will to dismiss the spider's advance. I'm just ringing a small warning bell here. It was MS who imported politics into the XBox conversation with their decision. Not me. I'm just saying they don't need me and I don't need them for anything, if they are going down this kind of road. And I am not alone. There are 10's of millions of people in this country and around the world who despise all things Rupert Murdoch and his agenda. And we don't watch his products or accept his presence in our homes. In XBox...cable or anything else.
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1/18/12 at 4:33pm
Wow. All of that just from it being announced.
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post #2460 of 6091
1/18/12 at 4:56pm
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Wow. All of that just from it being announced.

The pain runs deep mboojigga: That man...Murdoch has done a lot of harm to a lot of people around the world. And his company...NewsCorp has insulted me personally on so many levels, I won't bother to describe them here. MS should be ashamed of itself for this decision. And that is my last word on the issue. Hereforth I will just watch what happens and vote with my wallet. So everyone can go back to NexBox conversation. It's a lot less important to me right now.
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