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post #2821 of 7006
Activision should give all the studios they command a COD title to work on. That way we could get a new COD ever week! We could only benefit, amirite?!?!?!11

I hope COD dies with 3D fad and these old ass consoles we are stuck with.

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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

2013 isn't happening. Sorry to break it to ya. No matter how much you want it, just you wanting it bad enough isn't going to make it happen.

I want you to be right. I'm hoping with all the fiber of my being.

So that means it's not going to happen, score!
post #2822 of 7006
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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

2013 isn't happening. Sorry to break it to ya. No matter how much you want it, just you wanting it bad enough isn't going to make it happen.

Just look at Halo 4. It is coming out this X-Mas. Do you seriously think NexBox will launch without its own Halo version at launch? Do you think MS is going to release Halo 4 and Halo 5 in successive years?

If you answered either questions yes, you are delusional.

Pretty sure when I bought my 360 at launch there was absolutely NO Halo title available. So your argument about that is flying over my head.

Actually I would think that they would want to launch a Halo title after a year or two after launch, so they have an installed base to sell it to. As long as they have a few decent titles, they will sell out every 720 they make the first 3-6 months. Launching Halo 5 the second holiday would boost sales, especially if a PS4 is launched that same year (sound familiar?).
post #2823 of 7006
somehow people keep making analogies to the launch of the 360. but the scenarios are very different this time. The reasons why Microsoft rushed to launch the 360 were many.

For one thing, sales of the Xbox1 system, while excellent, never reach critical mass. The profit from the sale of software wasn't enough to overcome the fact that they were losing money on every single console, with no hope of cutting costs through improved efficiencies because all the technology was off-the-shelf and owned by Intel, Nvidia, etc. Intel and Nvidia were sitting in a pretty position. It was not in their interests at all to cut Microsoft a break on the parts. In fact, Intel had to keep making that modified PIII-800MHz Coppermine processor just for the Xbox when PC's had moved onto GHz+ processors.

The more Xbox1's that were sold, the more money was lost. They were basically paying customers $150+ every time a person bought an Xbox1. While Sony could cut costs through die shrinks, SoC's, etc. because they owned the technology, Microsoft was still stuck paying full price for everything. And when Sony kept reducing the price of the PS2 and still maintain profit, Microsoft had to follow and lose even more money per console. Sales of the Xbox1, while not at PS2 levels, were great but more sales meant more losses. They had to get Xbox1 removed from the market, and the only way to do that was to release the 360 as fast as possible.

Also, since Xbox1 was never in a dominant position, the Xbox kept getting PS2 ports. So games didn't take advantage of the broadband support, didn't take advantage of a centralized network, didn't take advantage of the extra horsepower, didn't take advantage of the hard drive, etc. And the ports were released very late because they were done by smaller teams or because really, you port to new platforms because you've already maximized sales on the core platforms and need new revenue streams. Microsoft was never in a position to dictate any terms to any game developers.

So they had to beat Sony to the next generation at all cost.

But this generation is different. Microsoft was able to be successful and command significant attention from all developers. They're making money and can actually have a say in the direction for the industry. They can actually dictate terms to the game companies. Companies that would've never given much attention to the Xbox1 had to pay attention because of the significant marketshare of the 360.

And the success of the 360 was leveraged by many game companies who often made the 360 the multiplatform device of choice because the same programming environment meant it was easy to port to the PC whereas in the last generation, the main team worked on the PS2 version while a secondary team had the job of porting PS2 assets.

Microsoft tried to push online gaming in the Xbox1 generation but most people owned PS2 and online gaming was not big on the PS2. This generation, gamers appreciated the social network on the Xbox and Xbox has by far the biggest numbers of online gamers in terms of gamers and hours played.

Also, Microsoft owned the technology this generation. They had IBM and ATI design the CPU and GPU, but they owned the IP. They also leveraged technology they had through acquisitions such as WebTV. So every improved efficiency meant that the cost to produce the consoles got cheaper and cheaper. Every die shrink, every consolidation meant that they actually started to make more and more money off the sale of the console itself.

All Microsoft needs to do is now fight in terms of content. Because let's face it. It's content that supports these ecosystems. It's why people who are in the Apple universe don't leave. It's why Microsoft keeps adding content and new features to the dashboard so that people are less likely to leave.

Microsoft is praying that Sony goes slow too. If anyone has the pressure to move faster, it's Sony. Of course, neither Microsoft nor Sony can dawdle too long because leaving Nintendo out there to grab new customers is never a good thing. But really, unless Nintendo truly beefs up their online network or offers technology that is a true leap over the 360 and PS3, it won't gain much traction and will remain an interim solution like the Dreamcast. And Nintendo does not lose money on the sale of game systems. In their long illustrious history, the only game system ever to lose money per sale is the 3DS and they had to drop its price into the loss territory because market momentum for that was low, and they had to ignite it or else the device would be forgotten as smartphones progressed. They need to make money on the hardware. Period.

So to say that Microsoft has to be a year ahead of Sony is wrong logic because the conditions are different. Microsoft only has to match Sony in terms of a system launch time now. And then beat them in terms of a content war.

The name of the game is profit. It's not about winning at all cost. It's not marketshare at all cost. If it was about marketshare and winning, they'd sell the 360 for $1. What is the point of winning marketshare if you go bankrupt?

Not to say that Microsoft can't lose heavily in the next generation. I'm sure Sony will look at the game/system updating process, at the party chat process, etc. and improve PSN so that it's more feature equivalent to Xbox Live (right now, PSN is only equivalent in terms of feature bullet points rather than true functionality). And Nintendo will definitely have to acknowledge that gaming has moved on to the online world and that they need to have a real online network. Microsoft can shoot themselves in the foot if they impose conditions that the gaming public won't accept (blocking used games, screen integrated into controller, etc.).

But as long as Microsoft doesn't rest on its laurels and gamers are too intertwined with the Xbox ecosystem, they're in good shape.
post #2824 of 7006
None of that speaks against a 2013 launch for nextbox or ps4. The most recent rumors are that Sony are launching in 2013 too. So it has nothing to do with getting ahead of Sony. Im sure MS knows exactly what Sony is planning, and vice versa...they're both talking to the same devs. I know YOU think 2013 is crazy but....I'm going to put more faith in kotaku and their sources than some random dude on AVS.

You act like you're dropping knowledge on fools that just don't understand the way you do, but why should anyone take your word over kotaku?
post #2825 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

None of that speaks against a 2013 launch for nextbox or ps4. The most recent rumors are that Sony are launching in 2013 too. So it has nothing to do with getting ahead of Sony. Im sure MS knows exactly what Sony is planning, and vice versa...they're both talking to the same devs. I know YOU think 2013 is crazy but....I'm going to put more faith in kotaku and their sources than some random dude on AVS.

You act like you're dropping knowledge on fools that just don't understand the way you do, but why should anyone take your word over kotaku?

dude, you really need to calm down. constantly ranting is getting really annoying.
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dude, you really need to calm down. constantly ranting is getting really annoying.

Meh. Not worth it.
post #2827 of 7006
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Gamas...n_Consoles.php

A couple interviews on what devs want from the next gen - in a nutshell, as much power as possible, and for them to get out of the way when it comes to patching and other post-release support.
post #2828 of 7006
...and supposedly the ability to kill off game rentals and secondary re-sales of used games, which will cause a fundamental shift in the gaming paradigm......and, I think, be akin to the great videogame glut/crash of the early 80's.

Greed will kill you, Dev's. If you want to see Piracy rise 10,000% then by all means put Gamefly, and every used game sale out of business.

If I have to pay $60 for every game no matter what, I am effectively out of gaming, especially discretionary purchases.
post #2829 of 7006
Finally, someone around here gets it. Thanks onlysublime, you have saved me the troubles.

Microsoft is not going to ship NexBox without new Halo with it. Last time, they didn't have a choice. This time they do.
post #2830 of 7006
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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

Finally, someone around here gets it. Thanks onlysublime, you have saved me the troubles.

Microsoft is not going to ship NexBox without new Halo with it. Last time, they didn't have a choice. This time they do.

Halo isnt a major factor for MS anymore. Halo 4 will still work on nextbox, just like Halo 2 did on 360. Call of Duty is now the big player, and they will push it at launch as a bigger and better COD that also allows you to play against 360 players. This will be their focus at launch, not "we cant launch without Halo"

Halo 3 and MW1 launched the same year, 2 years after the 360 and 1 year after PS3. MW1 effectivly unseated Halo out of nowhere, very few expected it to happen then.

They no longer need Halo to be a success and they know it.

(unless CoD dies out before then, that would change things up)
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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

finally, someone around here gets it. Thanks onlysublime, you have saved me the troubles.

Microsoft is not going to ship nexbox without new halo with it. Last time, they didn't have a choice. This time they do.

+2
post #2832 of 7006
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post


Halo isnt a major factor for MS anymore. Halo 4 will still work on nextbox, just like Halo 2 did on 360. Call of Duty is now the big player, and they will push it at launch as a bigger and better COD that also allows you to play against 360 players. This will be their focus at launch, not "we cant launch without Halo"

Halo 3 and MW1 launched the same year, 2 years after the 360 and 1 year after PS3. MW1 effectivly unseated Halo out of nowhere, very few expected it to happen then.

They no longer need Halo to be a success and they know it.

(unless CoD dies out before then, that would change things up)

http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/15/ha...irst-24-hours/

Halo Reach has sold around 9 million for just one console. Your seriously claiming it isn't relevant as an exclusive? Halo still sales and is still relevant than pretty much any exclusive out there. Funny thing is that Cod does the same numbers and a few million more each year on the same system and I am sure MS isn't complaining about that. Especially since they push COD like it is an exclusive. You and anyone else that thinks Halo is irrelevant are delusional respectfully speaking.
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http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/15/ha...irst-24-hours/

Halo Reach has sold around 9 million for just one console. Your seriously claiming it isn't relevant as an exclusive? Halo still sales and is still relevant than pretty much any exclusive out there. Funny thing is that Cod does the same numbers and a few million more each year on the same system and I am sure MS isn't complaining about that. Especially since they push COD like it is an exclusive. You and anyone else that thinks Halo is irrelevant are delusional respectfully speaking.

I don't think anyone is saying its irrelevant. But the idea that they'll refuse to ship without a new one...I'm just not buying it.

That could arguably even be a huge mistake if they release it for a system almost no one has compared to the 50 million or so 360s out there. They might move boxes but they'll drastically reduce software sales....and they'd prob move the boxes in huge numbers anyway with half decent launch titles. They can't have nothing special to show, but they don't need to play one of their trump cards in the opening round.
post #2834 of 7006
I think HALO is relevant because of its story telling but I have to be honest, I've thought the games have sucked since the first.......I get that everyone who had never heard of multiplaying on PC went apesheet over Halo 2 and its multiplayer, but I just never got the love of that game. I have played them through, but only because I wanted to see if each game would "bring me into the fold"...but no joy. To me they're just generic space shooters with silly aliens to fight and kinda crappy guns. But even I understand that HALO will sell consoles. Like GEARS and Modern Warfare and God of War will sell systems....
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They can't have nothing special to show, but they don't need to play one of their trump cards in the opening round.

In 2014 or 2015 it will be 2 years since Halo 4 launched in 2012. I typically buy a desired game 1-2 years out anyway. Halo 5 would be a helluva trump card to play with NexBox on that timing. Even Halo 4 would be relevant for late buyers like me. Halo 5 will certainly be important, early in the NexBox cycle. It will be vital to getting a large portion of the huge XBox 360 install base to jump early. It would sure influence me to buy the console earlier than usual. In 2013 and maybe even 2014...MS may even still be doing DLC for Halo4 on the XBox 360. And I also suspect one will be able to play all of the XBox 360 Halo's on NexBox...from the Cloud or otherwise. Making that franchise even more attractive. MS has an entire internal team focused on all things Halo. It is their most relevant XBox software franchise IMO.
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In 2014 or 2015 it will be 2 years since Halo 4 launched in 2012. I typically buy a desired game 1-2 years out anyway. Halo 5 would be a helluva trump card to play with NexBox on that timing. Even Halo 4 would be relevant for late buyers like me. Halo 5 will certainly be important, early in the NexBox cycle. It will be vital to getting a large portion of the huge XBox 360 install base to jump early. It would sure influence me to buy the console earlier than usual. In 2013 and maybe even 2014...MS may even still be doing DLC for Halo4 on the XBox 360. And I also suspect one will be able to play all of the XBox 360 Halo's on NexBox...from the Cloud or otherwise. Making that franchise even more attractive. MS has an entire internal team focused on all things Halo. It is their most relevant XBox software franchise IMO.

I'm sure a nextbox exclusive halo 5 could make a HUGE splash in 2014, the holiday after the nextbox drops. Im personally ambivalent towards the series but I know it's still huge.

There's just too much inertia in this current gen to drop a bomb like that at launch IMO. The vast majority of people are still going to be on the current gen, and they'd be selling their biggest exclusive franchise short by limiting it to the small number of early adopters. Launch is a great time for new franchises to get recognized, and we'll have the usual crop of third party titles that come out for both current gen and next gen with improved visuals.

The most important thing to do is remove barriers of entry, cause with a new cod, madden, assassins creed and battlefield....it'll sell itself. That means backwards compatibility (especially with digital titles), and cross compatibility with 360 games during the transition.
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I'm sure a nextbox exclusive halo 5 could make a HUGE splash in 2014, the holiday after the nextbox drops.

Man-o-chevitz...You have really fallen head over heels in love with your 2013 timeline prediction. Too bad MS doesn't appear to be equally in love with that timing. I have heard or read nothing from them to suggest an itchy 2013 trigger finger. To the contrary...they keep professing huge love for all things XBox 360. Even claiming last year that it was only entering mid-life in its lifecycle. When I throw my chicken bones on the floor...they still tell me 2014 or later for NeXty.
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Man-o-chevitz...You have really fallen head over heels in love with your 2013 timeline prediction. Too bad MS doesn't appear to be equally in love with that timing.

No kidding. While it's quite possible it could come out in 2013, there's little incentive for a 2013 release. Especially considering 360 sales of hardware and software are still strong and growing appreciably. PS3 has flatlined and Wii is tanking but you still have significant growth in Microsoft land.

post #2839 of 7006
It's beyond my own mere speculation at this point. 2013 is what's being reported by several game journos/blogs/sites. They have sources none of us are privy to.

It's beyond speculation that devs are being shown the new gear. Thats a fact. It's not a stretch at all to believe some of them are leaking info on what they've been shown/told.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's beyond my own mere speculation at this point. 2013 is what's being reported by several game journos/blogs/sites. They have sources none of us are privy to.

It's beyond speculation that devs are being shown the new gear. Thats a fact. It's not a stretch at all to believe some of them are leaking info on what they've been shown/told.

2009-2012 were was being reported by these same sources so doesn't matter what is being leaked. Pretty much throwing stuff out there until it sticks.
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2009-2012 were was being reported by these same sources so doesn't matter what is being leaked. Pretty much throwing stuff out there until it sticks.

I haven't seen the reputable sites start reporting anything until very recently. Kotaku isn't some random blog. They break stuff all the time, and tend to be dead on most of the time. They're staking their reputation on it. Let's not forget the epic MW3 leak last year. It's not a stretch at all to believe they can squeeze real info from the devs with access.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I haven't seen the reputable sites start reporting anything until very recently. Kotaku isn't some random blog. They break stuff all the time, and tend to be dead on most of the time. They're staking their reputation on it. Let's not forget the epic MW3 leak last year. It's not a stretch at all to believe they can squeeze real info from the devs with access.

hate to break it to you but Kotaku is the very definition of a blog site. they are not made of investigative journalists.
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hate to break it to you but Kotaku is the very definition of a blog site. they are not made of investigative journalists.

Their editor in chief has a graduate degree in journalism from an ivy league university. Their previous EIC (brian crecente) was a local investigative reporter for like 15 years.

So yeah....they kinda are. Not just some dudes in a garage.
post #2844 of 7006
I believe its 2013 also, I won't be buying it till 2014 though lol so you're both right, that is if the world has ended by then Haha
post #2845 of 7006
Consoles it was good knowing you...

post #2846 of 7006
I want to be excited about the next generation of consoles but as I have recently migrated back to PC gaming it is hard to look forward to a step backwards.

It will be 2014 before I'd consider upgrading my PS3. You know, after the first round of recalls. We are in Kepler now but hopefully with AMD reaching the market first in the 28nm race we will see Maxwell here in 2014 with a significant amount of performance (over 7 times that of my GTX 580 sc).

If Maxwell's 28nm doesn't have me excited now it's sure not going to have me excited in 2014 with the added restrictions of console gaming. I'm sure MS and Sony will attempt to correct that with an aggressive ad campaign.
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I want to be excited about the next generation of consoles but as I have recently migrated back to PC gaming it is hard to look forward to a step backwards.
It will be 2014 before I'd consider upgrading my PS3. You know, after the first round of recalls. We are in Kepler now but hopefully with AMD reaching the market first in the 28nm race we will see Maxwell here in 2014 with a significant amount of performance (over 7 times that of my GTX 580 sc).

If Maxwell's 28nm doesn't have me excited now it's sure not going to have me excited in 2014 with the added restrictions of console gaming. I'm sure MS and Sony will attempt to correct that with an aggressive ad campaign.

Ditto. I did the same thing last summer. And I'm having a blast with my new Asus rig. I will probably update the Mobo, CPU & GPU at least once on it before 2016. I could pop early on a console like NeXty (ie 2014). But it will be strictly game driven. And like GameBoy stated earlier. Halo will be a key determinant for me going early. Either way...I definitely won't do anything console wise before 2014 at the earliest unless WiiU blows me away or my XBox 360 Jaspar dies. And again...even that decision will be software driven. Such as reaquainting myself with classic Nintendo titles like Zelda/Link that are made for the new box. They don't make them...I won't buy it.

Someone on this thread said approximately this earlier. "NexGen is going to be much more about quality software franchises...becuase most people are already satisfied with quality hardware levels inherent in all HDTV's". I agree with that...with the exception of hardcore gamers. But we can scratch our itch in so many diffenrent domains. Plus the industry could easily go "belly up" catering to just us. MS and Sony know that too. And I believe both will be extremely reluctant to "jump the shark" just because of the 2012 WiiU Nintendo launch. Nintendo better have a bevy of its best titles ready to go or port with WiiU or it could be a bigger flop than 3DS.
post #2848 of 7006
I don't get what the picture is trying to show. Does the size of the card relate to the power or capability of the device or is it showing something else?

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Consoles it was good knowing you...

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I don't get what the picture is trying to show. Does the size of the card relate to the power or capability of the device or is it showing something else?

I think it's referencing screen resolution...?
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I don't get what the picture is trying to show. Does the size of the card relate to the power or capability of the device or is it showing something else?

Since iPad3 2048x1536 resolution has passed up consoles I thought it might be a good idea come into this thread and troll a bit.

720p: 0.9MP
1080p: 2.1MP
iPad3: 3.1MP (264 ppi)

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