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1/30/13 at 11:40pm
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post #4142 of 7006
2/1/13 at 7:50am
REAL SHOTS FIRED!!

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/31/sony-nyc-february-20-playstation/

CONFIRMED: Playstation media announcement coming 19 days from now.

Also confirmed: The Wall Street Journal cites "people familiar with the matter" who claim that not only will Sony debut its next gen console at the event, but that it will be released later this year.



On topic: Look for Microsoft to show their hand later this year at E3!
post #4143 of 7006
2/1/13 at 7:52am
Wall Street Journal's Marketwatch confirms the obvious with a few extra tidbits thrown in. Snippets below:
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- Sony to unveil next-generation home console at Feb. 20 event

- New Sony console to launch later this year

- New Sony console aims to integrate social gaming features

Sony Corp. is planning to unveil its next-generation home videogame console during a February event, showing off a successor to its current PlayStation 3 system.

The Japanese electronics giant Thursday unveiled plans for a special PlayStation-themed event set for Feb. 20, teasing fans to "see the future" at the event. People familiar with the matter have said the new device will make its debut there, beating Microsoft Corp. to the punch in announcing its own next-generation game machine.

Sony's device will be released later this year, these people said, and will spar against Microsoft's own machine, which is also expected to be released by the holidays.

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In a nod to the changes afoot in the industry, Sony is planning to incorporate more social gaming aspects into the new machine, people familiar with the matter said. Also, while hardware improvements were a key focus of past console upgrades, Sony is more focused this time on the changes in how users interact with the machine, these people said.

When developing the PlayStation, Sony had considered removing its optical disk drive, opting instead to require gamers to download titles over the Internet, people familiar with the matter said. But concerns over the size of videogame files, and slow web connections in some countries led Sony to scrap the plan, they added. Microsoft made a similar decision for its console as well.

Complicating the design of the new device will be the likely inclusion of chips designed by Advanced Micro Devices Inc., which people familiar with the matter said have been used in prototypes. The chip is separate from the technology Sony currently relies upon for its PlayStation 3, known as the Cell chip, which was developed jointly with International Business Machines Corp. and Toshiba Corp. The move would both introduce compatibility concerns with existing games, built to run on the Cell chip, while also ending a long-running partnership with Nvidia Corp., which supplies graphics chips for the current PlayStation.

In Sony's efforts to beef up its videogame offerings, it purchased Gaikai Inc. for $380 million last year. The company lets gamers play visually sophisticated games through a Web browser, without the need for specialized hardware or graphics circuits. Gaikai's technology runs games run in a data center and then streamed the images over the Internet.
post #4144 of 7006
2/1/13 at 8:17am
Finally. Now we can finally see what we will be working with. I just want to see what MS will be doing. Sony will have to fight an uphill battle with me to get the new system, since all my friends play Xbox and I love the controller and can't stand the dual shock controller.
post #4145 of 7006
2/1/13 at 9:07am
Sony won't have any problem getting me to buy a console, it just won't be a launch unit for them or MS.
post #4146 of 7006
2/1/13 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Finally. Now we can finally see what we will be working with. I just want to see what MS will be doing. Sony will have to fight an uphill battle with me to get the new system, since all my friends play Xbox and I love the controller and can't stand the dual shock controller.

I am really interested to see what Microsoft is doing. I have never bought a Sony console and I doubt anything they could announce could get me to buy the next one.
post #4147 of 7006
2/1/13 at 10:21am
Though I like playing on my Xbox more than PS. I've gotten more use out of Sony's Exclusives. Their exclusives are more appealing to me. Still a few games out there I will be buying on PS3. Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, and if that Last Guardian ever comes. Xbox exclusives have nothing I want.

I expect this new machine won't be so expensive as to be ignored by most of it's potential customers this time around.
post #4148 of 7006
2/1/13 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

I am really interested to see what Microsoft is doing. I have never bought a Sony console and I doubt anything they could announce could get me to buy the next one.


Yeah the Playstation 1 was the worst. I think you were right in avoiding that one. Worst games and hardware. Good call. Did you go with Jaguar instead?
post #4149 of 7006
2/1/13 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

Though I like playing on my Xbox more than PS. I've gotten more use out of Sony's Exclusives. Their exclusives are more appealing to me. Still a few games out there I will be buying on PS3. Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, and if that Last Guardian ever comes. Xbox exclusives have nothing I want.

I expect this new machine won't be so expensive as to be ignored by most of it's potential customers this time around.
I do enjoy the Xbox exclusives, and haven't really found a killer exclusive on PS3. I know I will get killed for this, but I can't stand the Uncharted series. I did enjoy LBP, and me and the GF enjoy playing ratchet and clank a lot, but that's all I would be missing.
post #4150 of 7006
2/1/13 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I do enjoy the Xbox exclusives, and haven't really found a killer exclusive on PS3. I know I will get killed for this, but I can't stand the Uncharted series. I did enjoy LBP, and me and the GF enjoy playing ratchet and clank a lot, but that's all I would be missing.

I would probably play the PS3 more if it weren't for the controller and the fact that I'm an achievement whore. For some reason I could care less about trophies. :shrug:

Uncharted is really good. I can't imagine why anybody would hate it unless they just don't like third person shooters. The other good ones would be God of War, Ratchet and Clank, and Sly Cooper. I think those are the only games I've ever bought for the PS3.
post #4151 of 7006
2/1/13 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

I would probably play the PS3 more if it weren't for the controller and the fact that I'm an achievement whore. For some reason I could care less about trophies. :shrug:

Uncharted is really good. I can't imagine why anybody would hate it unless they just don't like third person shooters. The other good ones would be God of War, Ratchet and Clank, and Sly Cooper. I think those are the only games I've ever bought for the PS3.
I love third person shooters, but I think it has more to do with the crappy controls on Uncharted. I also can't stand the controller on the PS3. I enjoyed God of War, but it isn't anything that I would miss terribly if I didn't get a PS4.
post #4152 of 7006
2/1/13 at 11:00am
Never been a fan of PS3 exclusives.. The only games I ever played on my PS3 were exclusives (MGS4, GT5 and KZ3) and they all seemed weird/boring/over-the-top and too Japanese-like. I'm the pretty typical Chevy driving 'Merican so the extensive list of shooters & sports games on the Xbox is absolutely my preference. That said I'm not anti-PS3 gaming.. I did love PS & PS2 exclusives.. and played the hell out of major blockbuster titles like Ridge Racer, Hot Shots Golf, Gran Turismo and EA sports titles (Madden, Live, etc) that were not available for any other system.

While I did not game on my PS3 much.. and honestly think PS3 exclusives suck compared to the Xbox360 exclusives.. My PS3 has been worth every penny and has remained the star of my home entertainment center. I consider my PS3 my modern day HTPC. It plays Bluray discs, pretty much any type of video format I can imagine, has DLNA support, accepts 3rd party internal harddrives, accepts any USB drive, PS3 media server works magnificently, supports common Bluetooth devices and of course it supports 1080P. I also find the PS3 menu much faster, and less cartoony, than the Xbox menu. Which is awesome for flying thru 1000's of picture, video, music files to find what you what.

PS4 will be a day 1 buy for me. Not even a question.
post #4153 of 7006
2/1/13 at 11:30am
The 360 has been my go to console this generation, however, MS has some work to do if they expect me to buy their machine over the PS4, assuming the rumors of system power and (ps4) ease of development are true. Of course, it is entirely possible that I will buy both, but if there is a significant power difference, the machine with the most power will be the priority purchase.
post #4154 of 7006
2/1/13 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post


While I did not game on my PS3 much.. and honestly think PS3 exclusives suck compared to the Xbox360 exclusives.. My PS3 has been worth every penny and has remained the star of my home entertainment center. I consider my PS3 my modern day HTPC. It plays Bluray discs, pretty much any type of video format I can imagine, has DLNA support, accepts 3rd party internal harddrives, accepts any USB drive, PS3 media server works magnificently, supports common Bluetooth devices and of course it supports 1080P. I also find the PS3 menu much faster, and less cartoony, than the Xbox menu. Which is awesome for flying thru 1000's of picture, video, music files to find what you what.

PS4 will be a day 1 buy for me. Not even a question.

I have to say I'd side with this except not buying day one. I swam back into PC recently and doing just fine.
post #4155 of 7006
2/1/13 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by Antiochus View Post

The 360 has been my go to console this generation, however, MS has some work to do if they expect me to buy their machine over the PS4, assuming the rumors of system power and (ps4) ease of development are true. Of course, it is entirely possible that I will buy both, but if there is a significant power difference, the machine with the most power will be the priority purchase.
This is the one thing I am interested about. If MS has the weaker console, I don't understand why they are content with Sony announcing first. The only saving grace is if they say their weaker console would be $50 cheaper than the PS4, but if it truly came down to that a measely $50 wouldn't sway me if the PS4 was way more powerful. If they come out and look pretty even, it's Xbox all the way, if the PS4 is way more powerful and the controller is redesigned, then I may have to change my thinking.
post #4156 of 7006
2/1/13 at 11:51am
With the exception of this latest PS3 Slim Rev (which I think is complete garbage), I always found the PS hardware to be quite slick and very reliable. Quiet, polished, etc. Not sure what I'm going to do if this hits around the same time as the new XBox. I'd want to see what they are capable of as well as the launch titles.
post #4157 of 7006
2/1/13 at 11:57am
Is MS going to continue with the charging a 2nd fee just to use Netflix, etc on their console? They really should change their stance.
post #4158 of 7006
2/1/13 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Is MS going to continue with the charging a 2nd fee just to use Netflix, etc on their console? They really should change their stance.
There's no way they give up that cash cow. It will be interesting to see if Sony starts something like that next gen. Maybe Sony will finally allow cross game chat and a party chat feature.
post #4159 of 7006
2/1/13 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

Yeah the Playstation 1 was the worst. I think you were right in avoiding that one. Worst games and hardware. Good call. Did you go with Jaguar instead?

I was in college at the time and was mostly playing PC games. The original Xbox came out at the right time so I could get off the PC upgade rat race.
post #4160 of 7006
2/1/13 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

There's no way they give up that cash cow. It will be interesting to see if Sony starts something like that next gen. Maybe Sony will finally allow cross game chat and a party chat feature.

One of them has to buckle eventually, right? But if MS really wants to be the home entertainment hub, they've got to let things like Netflix and other pay services go through for free. There are too many other alternatives for non-gaming consumers. I have Xbox Live Gold ONLY for multiplayer. I have three other ways to watch Netflix or Hulu if I wanted to, and there are at least 3 more devices I could buy to give me the same functionality for free. It's ridiculous if they think people see those as an Xbox selling point.
post #4161 of 7006
2/1/13 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

This is the one thing I am interested about. If MS has the weaker console, I don't understand why they are content with Sony announcing first. The only saving grace is if they say their weaker console would be $50 cheaper than the PS4, but if it truly came down to that a measely $50 wouldn't sway me if the PS4 was way more powerful. If they come out and look pretty even, it's Xbox all the way, if the PS4 is way more powerful and the controller is redesigned, then I may have to change my thinking.

I think this generation has cemented the fact that the amount of people who care about what system is slightly more powerful than the other is very very small. If the games look relatively the same, but you can do different thing on the Xbox that will be more than enough for a lot more people.
post #4162 of 7006
2/1/13 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

I think this generation has cemented the fact that the amount of people who care about what system is slightly more powerful than the other is very very small. If the games look relatively the same, but you can do different thing on the Xbox that will be more than enough for a lot more people.
That's true. And the Xbox sells best in North America, and a lot of the developers are from North America. So you have to wonder, if the PS4 is more powerful but has a smaller install base here, are the developers going to actually make the PS4's version better than the Xbox, or will they all be on par. If they aren't going to take advantage of the "extra power" of the PS4, then none of it matters.
post #4163 of 7006
2/1/13 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Finally. Now we can finally see what we will be working with. I just want to see what MS will be doing. Sony will have to fight an uphill battle with me to get the new system, since all my friends play Xbox and I love the controller and can't stand the dual shock controller.

At least this Gen someone finally solved that; you can buy a USB dongle that lets you use a DS3 on a 360, or a 360 controller on a PS3.

Good time to be a gamer!

I'm actually pretty interested to see how the controllers design in this post Wii environment. Let's hope it's for the better...
post #4164 of 7006
2/1/13 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

That's true. And the Xbox sells best in North America, and a lot of the developers are from North America. So you have to wonder, if the PS4 is more powerful but has a smaller install base here, are the developers going to actually make the PS4's version better than the Xbox, or will they all be on par. If they aren't going to take advantage of the "extra power" of the PS4, then none of it matters.

If the hardware rumor specs are right, there's not going to be much room either way to make anything better. You might get better AA and no screen taring, higher FPS, and slightly higher native res; but for the most part they're going to look pretty identical.
post #4165 of 7006
2/1/13 at 1:00pm
the games are going to be great no matter what platform, be it the Nintendo or Apple or Android or Microsoft or Sony. it all comes down to software and content. software is king. whoever has the breadth of features that consumers wants is going to do well. I want more social interactivity. Xbox Live had the best friends list and chat system this past gen. But there are some very cool aspects of the Wii U social system by Nintendo that I hope are also in the next-gen systems.
post #4166 of 7006
2/1/13 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

There's no way they give up that cash cow. It will be interesting to see if Sony starts something like that next gen. Maybe Sony will finally allow cross game chat and a party chat feature.

That would be horrible. MS can still have their cash cow of charging for online play while others don't, clearly people are willing to pay but I hope they change their stance and offer online play free.
post #4167 of 7006
2/1/13 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Never been a fan of PS3 exclusives.. The only games I ever played on my PS3 were exclusives (MGS4, GT5 and KZ3) and they all seemed weird/boring/over-the-top and too Japanese-like. I'm the pretty typical Chevy driving 'Merican so the extensive list of shooters & sports games on the Xbox is absolutely my preference. That said I'm not anti-PS3 gaming.. I did love PS & PS2 exclusives.. and played the hell out of major blockbuster titles like Ridge Racer, Hot Shots Golf, Gran Turismo and EA sports titles (Madden, Live, etc) that were not available for any other system.

While I did not game on my PS3 much.. and honestly think PS3 exclusives suck compared to the Xbox360 exclusives.. My PS3 has been worth every penny and has remained the star of my home entertainment center. I consider my PS3 my modern day HTPC. It plays Bluray discs, pretty much any type of video format I can imagine, has DLNA support, accepts 3rd party internal harddrives, accepts any USB drive, PS3 media server works magnificently, supports common Bluetooth devices and of course it supports 1080P. I also find the PS3 menu much faster, and less cartoony, than the Xbox menu. Which is awesome for flying thru 1000's of picture, video, music files to find what you what.

PS4 will be a day 1 buy for me. Not even a question.

D I agree with all you said about except for the exclusives. I can't believe anyone thinks MS is anywhere close to Sony for exclusives. Uncharted series, Kill Zone series, MLB the Show, God of War, Heavy Rain, etc. What does MS have Halo and Gears? I can't see how it is even close and the gap will just keep expanding with The Last of Us. Let also add before everyone says live is so much better than psn, Microsoft should be embarrassed at what we get for our yearly fee compared to what psn+ gives you. PS4 will be a day 1 buy also here.
post #4168 of 7006
2/1/13 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

That would be horrible. MS can still have their cash cow of charging for online play while others don't, clearly people are willing to pay but I hope they change their stance and offer online play free.

that's freedom of choice. You can either suck it up and by that new $30 Lightning cable for your iPhone products or you can go elsewhere. there's no reason to stick to a platform when you have a beef against it. lots of viable platforms out there.
post #4169 of 7006
2/1/13 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

If the hardware rumor specs are right, there's not going to be much room either way to make anything better. You might get better AA and no screen taring, higher FPS, and slightly higher native res; but for the most part they're going to look pretty identical.

Yep, and I'd add better 3D support to that list.

Im sure people playing the same games on the nextbox wont be having any less fun, but having the superior A/V experience is going to be a selling point to plenty of people. If the difference in power is as wide as the rumors suggest, the gap between the two consoles will be much larger than this gen.
post #4170 of 7006
2/1/13 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

that's freedom of choice. You can either suck it up and by that new $30 Lightning cable for your iPhone products or you can go elsewhere. there's no reason to stick to a platform when you have a beef against it. lots of viable platforms out there.

$5 for it biggrin.gif

Absolutely agree, I would think it would be in MS's best interest to change it up next gen. They had the benefit of a 1 year head start with no competitor offering free online. Things have changed dramatically since then.
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