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post #4171 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

$5 for it biggrin.gif

Absolutely agree, I would think it would be in MS's best interest to change it up next gen. They had the benefit of a 1 year head start with no competitor offering free online. Things have changed dramatically since then.

well, then you have no reason to gripe. other platforms out there to choose.
post #4172 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yep, and I'd add better 3D support to that list.

Im sure people playing the same games on the nextbox wont be having any less fun, but having the superior A/V experience is going to be a selling point to plenty of people. If the difference in power is as wide as the rumors suggest, the gap between the two consoles will be much larger than this gen.

you know, I wish people would be more honest with their feelings rather than do all the subterfuge...

bd2003: "I'm not really anti-Durango, what they're doing could be very interesting. I really just wanted one console to surpass the other in terms of raw power, and Id rather that one be Sony.

My hope is that the PS4 is just powerful enough that it can run at 60fps what nextbox does at 30fps."
post #4173 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

well, then you have no reason to gripe. other platforms out there to choose.

So do you think it is a good idea to not let Silver members use Netflix (people who are already paying the Netflix charge), etc on their 360's when there are several other options out that the do?
post #4174 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

you know, I wish people would be more honest with their feelings rather than do all the subterfuge...

bd2003: "I'm not really anti-Durango, what they're doing could be very interesting. I really just wanted one console to surpass the other in terms of raw power, and Id rather that one be Sony.

My hope is that the PS4 is just powerful enough that it can run at 60fps what nextbox does at 30fps."

What subterfuge? I stand by that statement.

I care more about frame rate than image quality. They're going to use the same assets for the games. And they both share a common architecture. If PS4 is more powerful, the easiest way for them to use that power is just jack up the frame rate. It'd be a dream come true to me if there was essentially a designated 60fps console.
post #4175 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

So do you think it is a good idea to not let Silver members use Netflix (people who are already paying the Netflix charge), etc on their 360's when there are several other options out that the do?

oh, it'd be nice if it was free. who doesn't want free? but we have choices. No one says that you have to watch Netflix on the 360. You can watch it on your phone, on your laptop, on your WD TV, on your Roku, etc. etc.

I doubt anyone is paying for Xbox Live Gold just to watch Netflix on the 360 (actually I do know one person but she's in the minority). And if you're paying for Xbox Live Gold to do other things, then it is free for Netflix. You aren't paying Xbox Live Gold twice. Why is Xbox Live Gold worth it to me? Not for the online gaming. It's for the chat parties. The social stuff matters to me. Because it's not like in grade school where all your classmates come over to your house to play SNES. We all have lives in the real world now.

Like I can take the free freeway to work. Or I can take the toll freeway to work. I don't gripe about why the toll road charges for it. If I don't want to pay for it, I can drive the free roads. Or all the people griping about why there are dedicated lanes for carpooling. That everyone should have access to them.
post #4176 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

What subterfuge? I stand by that statement.

I care more about frame rate than image quality. They're going to use the same assets for the games. And they both share a common architecture. If PS4 is more powerful, the easiest way for them to use that power is just jack up the frame rate. It'd be a dream come true to me if there was essentially a designated 60fps console.

I remember a fighting game back on the PS1 where they let you have a higher frame rate at the loss of the background being really dumbed down. I'd love for those kind of options on console games.
post #4177 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I remember a fighting game back on the PS1 where they let you have a higher frame rate at the loss of the background being really dumbed down. I'd love for those kind of options on console games.

Same. If every game had a 60fps mode, id use it, no matter what. Even if it meant dropping the resolution, AA, whatever.
post #4178 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

oh, it'd be nice if it was free. who doesn't want free? but we have choices. No one says that you have to watch Netflix on the 360. You can watch it on your phone, on your laptop, on your WD TV, on your Roku, etc. etc.

I doubt anyone is paying for Xbox Live Gold just to watch Netflix on the 360 (actually I do know one person but she's in the minority). And if you're paying for Xbox Live Gold to do other things, then it is free for Netflix. You aren't paying Xbox Live Gold twice. Why is Xbox Live Gold worth it to me? Not for the online gaming. It's for the chat parties. The social stuff matters to me. Because it's not like in grade school where all your classmates come over to your house to play SNES. We all have lives in the real world now.

Like I can take the free freeway to work. Or I can take the toll freeway to work. I don't gripe about why the toll road charges for it. If I don't want to pay for it, I can drive the free roads. Or all the people griping about why there are dedicated lanes for carpooling. That everyone should have access to them.

Well paying for the toll freeway when isn't better is a persons choice.
post #4179 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Same. If every game had a 60fps mode, id use it, no matter what. Even if it meant dropping the resolution, AA, whatever.

Yeah, same here. Maybe a few games I'd go with 30fps but for the most part I enjoy the smoother motion more over the extra detail.
post #4180 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

oh, it'd be nice if it was free. who doesn't want free? but we have choices. No one says that you have to watch Netflix on the 360. You can watch it on your phone, on your laptop, on your WD TV, on your Roku, etc. etc.

I doubt anyone is paying for Xbox Live Gold just to watch Netflix on the 360 (actually I do know one person but she's in the minority). And if you're paying for Xbox Live Gold to do other things, then it is free for Netflix. You aren't paying Xbox Live Gold twice. Why is Xbox Live Gold worth it to me? Not for the online gaming. It's for the chat parties. The social stuff matters to me. Because it's not like in grade school where all your classmates come over to your house to play SNES. We all have lives in the real world now.

Like I can take the free freeway to work. Or I can take the toll freeway to work. I don't gripe about why the toll road charges for it. If I don't want to pay for it, I can drive the free roads. Or all the people griping about why there are dedicated lanes for carpooling. That everyone should have access to them.
That is one of my favorite features on the 360, the party chat. I have two friends that I work with and we usually play together when we have time. But it's nice to jump into a party and chat if they are playing something else. I think that Sony will catch up with MS on the social stuff next gen, and it will be interesting if it is free on PS4 while you still pay for it on XBL.
post #4181 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Well paying for the toll freeway when isn't better is a persons choice.

well, yeah. that's what choice is. so just choose and stop griping about it. I don't see a reason for people to try to "educate" people about their choices and why it's right or wrong.
post #4182 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Boston Litigator View Post

D I agree with all you said about except for the exclusives. I can't believe anyone thinks MS is anywhere close to Sony for exclusives. Uncharted series, Kill Zone series, MLB the Show, God of War, Heavy Rain, etc. What does MS have Halo and Gears? I can't see how it is even close and the gap will just keep expanding with The Last of Us. Let also add before everyone says live is so much better than psn, Microsoft should be embarrassed at what we get for our yearly fee compared to what psn+ gives you. PS4 will be a day 1 buy also here.



MS last gen introduced the 1st all broadband online gaming network which was a huge risk and long-term it payed off for them in spades.Seeing as their competitor Sony, copied Xbox Live by making PSN an all-broadband gaming network as well.Let's not forget that Sony copied the 360's Achievements with they're inclusion of Trophies for the PS3.Sony was thoroughly embarrassed when PSN got hacked and was down for nearly a month when during that same time period, Xbox Live was running without any problems and people were enjoying they're online mp games

.Also, both MS and Sony have had their share of great and crappy exclusives but let's real be here, KZ is nowhere near the juggernaut that is the Halo series.The original Halo was groundbreaking and way ahead of its time with Halo 2 and H3 being completely dominant on Xbox Live due to its excellent multiplayer component.Either H2 or H3 has had more users playing than all of PS3's exclusive shooters COMBINED.MS has more exclusives than just Halo and Gears such as Crackdown,Chromehounds, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Shadowrun, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey etc

.God of War is awesome and I'm looking forward to GoW Ascension as I know it's going to have a fantastic campaign experience and also very excited for The Last of Us as it could be the best game that Naughty Dog has ever developed.Lastly, I think it's a bit silly for you to dismiss the xbox and its library of exclusive games.
post #4183 of 7006
Have you guys heard of virtualization? It's possible to have multiple butthurts on the same butt these days.
post #4184 of 7006
"Have you guys heard of virtualization? It's possible to have multiple butthurts on the same butt these days."

I'm calling it. This right here is the single greatest post on AVS of 2013. The rest of you can stop trying. We found the winner 33 days in to the year.
post #4185 of 7006
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Originally Posted by CoreGamer30 View Post

MS has more exclusives than just Halo and Gears such as Crackdown,Chromehounds, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Shadowrun, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey etc

To be fair, the last time any of those 'franchises' had a release was 2010, and it was horrible. Most of them haven't seen anything since 2007. Those series are irrelevant and/or not even a series. They don't even own Shadowrun anymore.

BTW: http://www.edge-online.com/news/the-next-xbox-always-online-no-second-hand-games-50gb-blu-ray-discs-and-new-kinect/

Edge says the next Xbox will:
-be online-only
-50gig BR
-activation codes to defeat second-hand sales.
post #4186 of 7006
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post


BTW: http://www.edge-online.com/news/the-next-xbox-always-online-no-second-hand-games-50gb-blu-ray-discs-and-new-kinect/

Edge says the next Xbox will:
-be online-only
-50gig BR
-activation codes to defeat second-hand sales.

If true, no sale from me.
post #4187 of 7006
Putting aside how horrible most of that sounds, I did find one thing interesting:

"Studios working with the next-gen Xbox are currently being forced to work with only approved development libraries, while Sony is encouraging coders to get closer to the metal of its box. "

This could be an indication that they'll release better hardware down the line. Forcing devs to use a HAL like direct-x means they can change the underlying hardware while still maintaining compatibility.
post #4188 of 7006
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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

If true, no sale from me.

Same. For what it's worth, its better that they get the ****-ups out of the way early, get humbled, learn some lessons and then start building back up before it's too late. If Sony can do it, so can MS.
post #4189 of 7006
On PC I can't resale my games but I also get the bulk of them at massive discounts. I bought Sleeping Dogs for something like $4.50 during a Steam sale. I bought Max Payne for 50% off a few weeks after it came out. Valve put Portal 2 on sale for under $10 the same year it came out. At those prices, I can live without flipping.

MS would need to match that for me to even consider it. That means Halo 5 for $10 6-9 months after release. If they don't do that, there's just no way I am buying in.
post #4190 of 7006
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

On PC I can't resale my games but I also get the bulk of them at massive discounts. I bought Sleeping Dogs for something like $4.50 during a Steam sale. I bought Max Payne for 50% off a few weeks after it came out. Valve put Portal 2 on sale for under $10 the same year it came out. At those prices, I can live without flipping.

MS would need to match that for me to even consider it. That means Halo 5 for $10 6-9 months after release. If they don't do that, there's just no way I am buying in.

Some of the recent PS Plus discounts are getting very close to that, but you hardly see the same thing from MS. Most of their sales are a joke.
post #4191 of 7006
If that article is accurate, I likely have taken my last ride on XBox...unless they continue to release multiple disc versions...or DD of new Halo sagas for the XBox 360. I am completely underwhelmed by any of this. I see absolutely no need for it at all. It just seems like a big archaic wishlist with zero strategic vision. It's all about limiting my choices...like preowned game trials and permanent internet connection. I am personally more commited to gaming on my new PC. And if they release Halo and other titles for Windows Live/8...I'm pretty much done with consoles...except for PS3 and XBox 360. And that is only because games for those consoles will shrink to below $20 on an everyday basis. I could see MS really taking a drubbing on this one. NextGen is shaping up as "Return of the Jedi"...Playstation dominance.
post #4192 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Same. For what it's worth, its better that they get the ****-ups out of the way early, get humbled, learn some lessons and then start building back up before it's too late. If Sony can do it, so can MS.
I don't know if I believe that article at all. But if it is true, then it makes my choice for next gen very very easy.
post #4193 of 7006
I'm platform agnostic; the way I look at it Sony and MS have a equal shot of taking my money this go around. Whoever has the more compelling hardware and software library out the gate, with a pinch of hope based on what we read about each, is going to get my $$. Honestly, if Sony is taking the more 'traditional' console based approach, that's +1 for Sony/PS4.
post #4194 of 7006
I say hold the speculation until the news is released. The speculation news has been pretty much going in circle from DD only to blue-Ray and back. I agree that IF that article is correct, my house (we use 4 XBOX 360's) we will not use the new one. It would be to cost prohibitive.And if the hardware specs are as close as has been reported, the only reason MS would keep me is my familiararity with the company over the Sony offering. Cut out reselling/buying used games, being able to buy a copy of a game and playing on the different xbox accounts in my house and you will lose me as a customer. I really can't see MS doing this if Sony isn't. It would be a nail in a coffin for this generation of hardware.
post #4195 of 7006
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Originally Posted by cubdenno View Post

I say hold the speculation until the news is released. The speculation news has been pretty much going in circle from DD only to blue-Ray and back.

The thing is, the DD only rumors were years ago when they probably did have a DD only prototype in the lab and was crunching the numbers on it.

We are now months away from a hardware release. The systems and business models are finalized by now. I think the stuff we are getting now is very credible.

Obviously we will have to wait and see but we're not talking about some rumor site like Kotaku.
post #4196 of 7006
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

The thing is, the DD only rumors were years ago when they probably did have a DD only prototype in the lab and was crunching the numbers on it.

We are now months away from a hardware release. The systems and business models are finalized by now. I think the stuff we are getting now is very credible.

Obviously we will have to wait and see but we're not talking about some rumor site like Kotaku.

I think by this point, its at least safe to say you can have a DD only console if you want one. Everything will probably be available day one digitally going forward.

I'm not entirely opposed to the activation model, it just depends what the upsides are. How many consoles can I use it on? Can I install and skip the disc swap? What about other platforms (Vita, PC)? Will it be forward compatible with future platforms, or will I need to repurchase? Can I always redownload, can I share, lend, etc?
post #4197 of 7006
all those rumors said the exact opposite of what i wanted to hear... focus on kinect.. really i don't own kinect, have no desire to own kinect and don't know how kinect can truly make the games i play better... online only and no ability to trade games, that is huge for me, part of the reason i buy games is because to me i am only spending 30 dollars, because i know after i beat them and trade them in, that is what i usually pay.. but i will buy less games or buy for another system if there is no way to trade in games... what cracks me up about this whole "used game" thing is that when it comes to things 100 times more expensive (cars, houses) it is accepted and normal, but someone used games are viewed as a little "shady or unethical"...
post #4198 of 7006
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

The thing is, the DD only rumors were years ago when they probably did have a DD only prototype in the lab and was crunching the numbers on it.

We are now months away from a hardware release. The systems and business models are finalized by now. I think the stuff we are getting now is very credible.

Obviously we will have to wait and see but we're not talking about some rumor site like Kotaku.

I'm not sure people are actually reading the article. It very clearly says they're NOT getting rid of physical media but they're forcing you to activate a game, effectively eliminating the used market. That, in itself would be pretty dumb, but if they had half a brain they would also allow you to buy additional activation codes or reactivate a used game for a fee. Everybody wins. Sure, you couldn't share a game within a household without buying that additional code but they don't want you doing that now anyway.
post #4199 of 7006
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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

If true, no sale from me.

then you'll probably be brokenhearted. it looks like both the PS4 and next Xbox will be anti-used games...
post #4200 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

then you'll probably be brokenhearted. it looks like both the PS4 and next Xbox will be anti-used games...

never thought i would say this, but i might buy multi platform games on the wiiU then (don't own one yet, but if both go no used games i will)
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