Microsoft fires the first shot in the "NEXT" generation.... - Page 152

Originally Posted by onlysublime 

there are enough million sellers for a peripheral that only reaches 25% of the Xbox population.

Originally Posted by confidenceman 

Voice command made more sense in the 1950s-80s when people thought home technologies were moving toward some centralized "master control." But we're in the era of multiple devices and greater individuation. It just doesn't make sense anymore. The living room isn't what it used to be. It's a place where people go to be alone together with their individual phones, laptops, and tablets. Voice control only makes sense if you're Captain Picard. It's a gimmick to show off to friends.
I can also say that I can run faster than a Ferrari. But I fail to mention that that's only for the first meter of travel...

Originally Posted by barrelbelly 

I completely agree with you Onlysublime. And I'll try to take it a step farther by sayining...When the XBox team figure out how to make Kinect useful and total fun to use for the guy sitting on his Lazy Boy recliner, couch, floor, computer chair, and walking on his treadmill, riding his stationary bike and using other static movement fitness/competition devices (hint-hint), it will be a 100% success.

Originally Posted by onlysublime 

a lot of people would differ with you, including Apple with Siri, Google, etc. for me, voice is golden. It means I don't have to turn on the controller just to pause a Netflix movie. you know how much people want voice? they're willing to tolerate the nascent abilities of things like Siri because they see where things are going.

Originally Posted by onlysublime 

dude, no one is a miracle worker. the fat lazy guy will always be a fat lazy guy...

all the exercise companies know this. "our product will make exercising so fun, you'll lose weight in no time." "join our gym, we make exercising so fun so that you can fulfill your New Year's resolution."

Originally Posted by onlysublime 

it wasn't about addressing your point.

it was about making a joke about how fat and lazy a lot of gamers are. like making a joke that people made about remote controls and how they were too fat and lazy to go to the TV.

Originally Posted by barrelbelly 

I thought that was where you were. But I wasn't sure. I just wanted to be sure...and that others knew exactly what I meant. I am "portly and proud" myself. But not lazy. Betcha I could still nail you in Mountain Biking.

Originally Posted by confidenceman 

I'm curious what the usage statistics are on Siri. It definitely got a lot of initial buzz, but after that early excitement, it seems to have become a specifically hands-free thing for driving. I could easily be wrong, but I just don't see much use for it in the home.

Originally Posted by onlysublime 

doubt it. I swim a mile nightly (the joys of living in southern California). I rule on my Cannondale...

Originally Posted by jblank74 

It SOLD a lot, but it hasn't "caught on". It is the Wii Fit of the 360, a peripheral that was hot, got purchased, and now has an inch of dust on it, in 95% of its owners homes. As much as these moronic companies want to force motion controls onto us, they are ignoring the fact that nobody really wants it. All this malarkey is just pushing me more towards Sony and more towards PC gaming, which I find I am doing a lot more of anyway.[/quote

Originally Posted by WilliamR 

Xbox founder: Apple TV gaming could ‘simply kill PlayStation, Wii U and Xbox’
By Brad Reed | BGR News –

Xbox DashboardThe Xbox is one of the best things that Microsoft (MSFT) has going for it right now, but one of the console’s founding engineers thinks the company is in grave danger of getting its hide handed to it by Apple (AAPL)… again. Nat Brown, a former Microsoft engineer who worked at the company until 1999 and who was one of the founders of the Xbox project, has written a long post on his personal blog making the case that Microsoft has only been winning the console wars over the past couple of years because Sony (SNE) and Nintendo (NTDOY) have been screwing up so badly. He also tears apart the company’s strategy for allowing independent game developers to create games for the platform, saying that the process for developing and distributing games on the console is far too cumbersome.

“Xbox’s primary critical problem is the lack of a functional and growing platform ecosystem for small developers to sell digitally-/network-distributed (non-disc) content through to the installed base of Xbox customers, period,” he writes, while detailing how Microsoft has thrown up all sorts of red tape to prevent small gaming developers from easily selling their games on the Xbox platform. “Microsoft, you are idiotic to have ceded not just indie game developers but also a generation of loyal kids and teens to making games for other people’s mobile devices.”

Brown wishes that Microsoft had the foresight to adopt the model for game and app distribution that iOS and Android have used to create enormous mobile gaming ecosystems and made fortunes for formerly unknown gaming companies such as Rovio. And to make things worse, Brown thinks that Apple could make a big move into the gaming sphere if it adding a gaming ecosystem to its Apple TV platform that made it just as easy to develop independent games for the big screen as it is to develop games for the iPad.

“Apple, if it chooses to do so, will simply kill PlayStation, Wii U and Xbox by introducing an open 30%-cut app/game ecosystem for Apple TV,” he writes. “I already make a lot of money on iOS — I will be the first to write apps for Apple TV when I can, and I know I’ll make money. I would for Xbox if I could and I knew I would make money.”

http://news.yahoo.com/xbox-founder-apple-tv-gaming-could-simply-kill-181039706.html

Originally Posted by Antiochus 

I'm not sure they go that far. There may be some overlap on 360/720 games in the early going, but I suspect that as long as Sony does not go in that direction, all the games will be on PS4, as only the ignorant and the retarded will purchase a 720. The backlash will be swift and violent. It's the early adopters who will be the most knowledgeable about these systems. They are the evangelists. It is one thing to be in a situation like Nintendo is with Wii U, where there simply is no buzz about your system and people either don't know it exists or don't care. It's another thing entirely to piss off the people who would have told everyone else how awesome your new machine is. If these rumors are true, they better have a KILLER gimmick.

Originally Posted by Antiochus 

As much as people poo poo Kinect, I don't mind it and enjoy using it from time to time. I don't think MS intends to make anyone use it the way it's used now. I think they are betting that if it's packed in with every system, the developers will find innovative ways to include it in their games. Part of the problem is that most of us in the first adopter's club would rather close that 50% RAW performance gap with PS4 than have an all new kinect included with our system. We'll take a high level GPU any day over kinect, particularly when most of us already have kinect.

However the additional problems of always online and no used games make this a non starter. As always, the caveat is how Sony treats these issues.[/quote

That 50% raw performance comment is pure BS seeing as the leaked Durango specs are about a year old and based on Alpha kits which are not representative of the power that will be in the Final Developement Kits.Also, none of you guys have stopped to think that the 1.2 teraflops of the Durango GPU could be in double precision mode which Ati's gpu's definitely have.I believe MS has been intentionally letting these leaks out to make Sony and many of the Xbox haters naively assume that the next Xbox is going to be a weak console in comparison to PS4.Remember that the Xbox platform has always been known for having powerful HW and Xbox Live and that will not change for the next-generation.Furthermore, MS has talked alot to Crytek and Epic in regards to what kind of capabilities they'd want in Durango.We also cannot ignore the fact that the OG Xbox was primarily designed by the most influential developers and programmers such as John Carmack and it is why it thoroughly spanked the PS2 in overall power,despite the PS2 having more FLOPS capabilities..

Originally Posted by CoreGamer30 

That is an incredibly ignorant comment to make and find it naive of you to truly believe that "all of the games" will be on PS4 as if the Next Xbox isn't getting any games at all.Just for your information, over the past 2 years or so, MS has been steadily building a stable of new 1st and 2 party developer studios in preparation for next-gen as they are going to introduce new ip's just like they did during this console generation.Also, PS4 will have its own gimmick with a touchscreen on its controller along with having built-in dual camera's for a Kinect like device.Lastly, it seems that some of you are really wanting the next Xbox to be a crappy console and based on the OG Xbox and 360, Durango is set to be a great console to own just like the PS4 will be..

That 50% raw performance comment is pure BS seeing as the leaked Durango specs are about a year old and based on Alpha kits which are not representative of the power that will be in the Final Developement Kits.Also, none of you guys have stopped to think that the 1.2 teraflops of the Durango GPU could be in double precision mode which Ati's gpu's definitely have.I believe MS has been intentionally letting these leaks out to make Sony and many of the Xbox haters naively assume that the next Xbox is going to be a weak console in comparison to PS4.Remember that the Xbox platform has always been known for having powerful HW and Xbox Live and that will not change for the next-generation.Furthermore, MS has talked alot to Crytek and Epic in regards to what kind of capabilities they'd want in Durango.We also cannot ignore the fact that the OG Xbox was primarily designed by the most influential developers and programmers such as John Carmack and it is why it thoroughly spanked the PS2 in overall power,despite the PS2 having more FLOPS capabilities..

Originally Posted by Myrtledog 

I'm sure stores won't want to make millions from the new xbox games because they aren't allowing used games to be played.

Originally Posted by Myrtledog 

I'm sure stores won't want to make millions from the new xbox games because they aren't allowing used games to be played.

Originally Posted by barrelbelly 

I know we have all kicked this can down the road before. But within the context of the discussion over the past 3 pages it is quite relevant.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/14/isp-data-caps-in-the-era-of-downloadable-games

IMO the entire "always on" internet connection...DD only inevitability?...Zero Backwards compatibility...and potential elimination of used game options is a power grab of unprecedented proportions if Console makers actually proceed that way in NextGen. As many of you said before...in many different ways...they could literally doom themselves by offering us nothing but a complete package of negatives, positioned as the future and next generation. What a pile of crap if this actually materializes this way. Those consoles have very little appeal for someone who only wants to play AAA games in single player or off line co-op/multiplayer mode. To my eyes MS and Sony to a lesser extent are attempting to force gamers through a bloated multimedia hourglass just to pick our pockets with apps and restrictions that don't matter to gamers. Why should I have to pay Verizon or MS one cent more (data cap theft) to download a game that can and should easily fit on DVDs or Blu-Ray? I concede that many people want download only. Godspeed to them. But I sure don't want to become enslaved to a system of unregulated price increases from ISPs just to play a d.a.m.n game. And trust me on this one...the politicians will not help us on this...you think? Calling your Senator as the article suggests is equivalent to asking the ISP itself to give you a hand. They own the politicians, lock...stock...and barrel. I found the implications of the above article to be toxic to gamers of all types but the rich. If the future of gaming is DD only...with unscrupulous companies peeking and spying on my every move and action through the console...I'll just cut the cord to the console and go retro.

These alleged draconian moves could actually explode the used game/console/mod retro market. Until keen youg entrepreneurs spot the opportunity and give us just game consoles again. That are focused 100% on playing owning and trading games.

Originally Posted by Myrtledog 

Gamestop sold over a million copies of Black Ops 2 at the Midnight launch. Say half were Xbox that's 500,000. Even if they only make $2 per copy that a million bucks just from launch night.

Originally Posted by Myrtledog 

Gamestop sold over a million copies of Black Ops 2 at the Midnight launch. Say half were Xbox that's 500,000. Even if they only make $2 per copy that a million bucks just from launch night.

Originally Posted by jblank74 

And how much was the electricity bill for all those stores? Does a million dollars cover the extended electricity use from that night? My point is that you are correct, they WILL sell the new consoles games, that is a given, but they don't make enough money to sustain their business model, on new games alone.

Originally Posted by jblank74 

And how much was the electricity bill for all those stores? Does a million dollars cover the extended electricity use from that night? My point is that you are correct, they WILL sell the new consoles games, that is a given, but they don't make enough money to sustain their business model, on new games alone.