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post #5191 of 7006
http://kotaku.com/my-xbox-dashboard-features-people-eating-mcdonalds-wra-477572118

This gave me a good laugh, an over the top example of why I stopped paying for Gold.
Edited by PENDRAG0ON - 4/23/13 at 4:27am
post #5192 of 7006
I know. That horrible huge add on the corner of the screen. I guess I never understand why people complain about ads. Are you just sitting on the dash staring at ads or getting into games? I guess I'm doing it wrong.
post #5193 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I know. That horrible huge add on the corner of the screen. I guess I never understand why people complain about ads. Are you just sitting on the dash staring at ads or getting into games? I guess I'm doing it wrong.

because if you are paying for something you expect it not to have ads, pretty simple really..
post #5194 of 7006
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

because if you are paying for something you expect it not to have ads, pretty simple really..
I pay for tv and I still see ads every where.
post #5195 of 7006
Not this again. What is funny is that the same people who say they don't pay for Live do most the complaining and prefer other systems and still come and exaggerate as much as this video does. I mean who sits at the dashboard and finds this to complain about?
Edited by mboojigga - 4/22/13 at 10:54pm
post #5196 of 7006
The next gen is finally here guys. This is what we've all been waiting for - the ability to order bad pizza right from our dashboard. Who needs games anymore?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/22/4252934/pizza-hut-for-xbox-360-app-kinect

I wonder if you need to be an XBL gold member to order? Maybe you can just order a plain with silver, pepperoni requires gold.

And it has kinect support, no BS.

This **** is out of control.
post #5197 of 7006
Yes, how dare they make ordering a pizza convenient...
post #5198 of 7006
Facebook support too:
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After submitting an order, users can share their choice with friends via Facebook.

You know what would be even more awesome than that? Have kinect automatically take video of you stuffing your face and live stream it to everyone on your Facebook and twitter via Skype. So. Many. Logos. But you'll get 10 MS points from xbox rewards for doing it....so worth it.

Or even better, achievement points!

Pizza Master - Finish a whole pie in one sitting - 100G

The possibilities are endless.

At the rate they're pimping you out to corporate sponsors, I'm surprised they don't just give you the Xbox for free, and throw in a free t-shirt.
Edited by bd2003 - 4/23/13 at 6:14am
post #5199 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Facebook support too:
At the rate they're pimping you out to corporate sponsors, I'm surprised they don't just give you the Xbox for free, and throw in a free t-shirt.

Or you could...you know not link it to Facebook....or an even crazier idea of not use the app.
post #5200 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Facebook support too:
You know what would be even more awesome than that? Have kinect automatically take video of you stuffing your face and live stream it to everyone on your Facebook and twitter via Skype. So. Many. Logos. But you'll get 10 MS points from xbox rewards for doing it....so worth it.

Or even better, achievement points!

Pizza Master - Finish a whole pie in one sitting - 100G

The possibilities are endless.

At the rate they're pimping you out to corporate sponsors, I'm surprised they don't just give you the Xbox for free, and throw in a free t-shirt.
Dude, what the hell is wrong with them giving you this option? It's already been said that the next xbox will let you run apps at the same time. So you are in a game and decide you want a pizza. You bring up the app real quick and order it and get back to gaming. MS isn't forcing you to use it, just giving you an option. Some people will cry about stuff no matter what.
post #5201 of 7006
It's not the app that's the problem. Look at the broader picture.

Sony is talking about games - MS is talking about pizza.

I turn on my PC, Vita, DS...basically everything but a 360, and I can rearrange the dash however I desire. On xbox you can't - because everything but that tiny little corner for your disc drive and pinned is dedicated to ads. Your eyeballs and attention are for sale. And they have the audacity to charge you for the privilege on top of it. Bet there's a Pizza Hut ad somewhere on the dash right now or coming soon.

The platform isn't opening up, its closing down. Everything has to go through MS. They're taking control away from you, and giving you whatever limited options they want, on their terms. Youre not hearing about this from PH, you're hearing about it from MS. Its a partnership - maybe Pizza Hut paid to be the exclusive pizza dealer on XBL. I bet MS gets a slice (pun very intended) every time you order a pie.

Basically, this is just one more step in the pwrong direction. They're ruining this platform, and they've got an army of apologists that come to their rescue. They've done it so gradually that every little step seems like no big deal, but take a step back and look how far its come already. Don't let them piss on you and tell you its raining.
Edited by bd2003 - 4/23/13 at 7:52am
post #5202 of 7006
They are also talking about games, you only choose to listen to the app stuff. And if you are talking about next gen, then it's really a dumb argument. A lot of people continue to say "Sony is talking about games for the PS4, but MS is only talking about tv and apps". MS isn't talking about anything at this point when it comes to next gen, just like how Sony wasn't talking about any games for the PS4 prior to the february announcement.

And I don't really see how the console is "closing down" to be honest. I just get on my console, boot up the game I want and jump in a party chat with friends. I guess I am the dumb one for using the console as a video game device.
post #5203 of 7006
Yeah, that is a big meh on those complaints. There are more games than I have time to play on the XBox. I use apps on the Xbox a lot so I do not see an issue with them providing more convenience. The dashboard is fine. I do not care that much about the arrangement of stuff because when I want to find something I do a Bing search.

Bottom line it is an optional app. If you do not like it do not use it. It is just that simple.
post #5204 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

They are also talking about games, you only choose to listen to the app stuff. And if you are talking about next gen, then it's really a dumb argument. A lot of people continue to say "Sony is talking about games for the PS4, but MS is only talking about tv and apps". MS isn't talking about anything at this point when it comes to next gen, just like how Sony wasn't talking about any games for the PS4 prior to the february announcement.

Its a reasonable assumption that the moves they are making now will carry forward into the next gen. They can focus only on so much - and everything that isn't a game is a distraction from its primary purpose. Sure, you can fire up a game in the drive real easy. Firing up an XBLA game requires multiple steps. Finding them is getting harder and harder. It doesnt help that the dash gets slower and slower every year. Any other platform (including win 8), I DL something, and it just pops up its own icon right in the dash, I just play with one click, rearrange it as I please. Just pinning something on the 360 requires multiple steps.

And the *only* reason those steps are required and the dashboard is slow is cause of the ads that dominate every page of your dash. They suck up the space, they take time to load, while you stare at the pretty swirls. What do you get for that inconvenience? Nothing. At least amazon had the courtesy to reduce the price of their "kindle with offers" - and they hardly have the audacity to put those ads on the front page of your ebook library or slow down the UI.

Everyone gets their panties in a twist over the online only rumor. The mere mention of it can trigger a few dozen posts about how people just wont buy it, that theyd be crazy to do it. The underlying complaint there is that people don't want it to be more difficult to access the content they've paid for. Everyone is quick to point out that the only beneficiary there is Microsoft. This is the same thing, happening in a different way.

Maybe whatever changes theyve made so far arent stepping on the particular way you want to use your console....yet. Don't be surprised if the next update changes that too.
post #5205 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

..............Sony is talking about games - MS is talking about pizza.
LMAO - it's called business acumen. You really think the lousy few bucks you pay for live actually pays the bills? Me I'll take the easy to ignore adverts over paying the full freight for the service. Of course Sony is talking games - what else do they have to talk about? Another craptastic version of their interface, another poorly designed store, ............. Simple fact - it's a content center, the more it can do the more they will sell. So it orders pizza - wow, how horrible (especially in the land of the lardo). Guess MS should dump everything & just play games?

I like the numbnuts in the article............so the McDonalds ad is annoying? Um, what happens when they turn on a TV? Visit a web page? Play a freebie game on the phone? Guess they spend a lot of time being annoyed.

Kinect? Like it or not physical interfaces are going the way of the dodo bird. Cars, tablets, computers, phones, game consoles............all of them. Accept or continue to whine about - won't change a thing.

Backwards compatibility is huge........50 some million users who likely won't change even if Sony gives away playstations is what it means in real terms. Why would anyone bother to change if it comes down to "sign in & everything is there"?
post #5206 of 7006
No.
post #5207 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Its a reasonable assumption that the moves they are making now will carry forward into the next gen. They can focus only on so much - and everything that isn't a game is a distraction from its primary purpose. Sure, you can fire up a game in the drive real easy. Firing up an XBLA game requires multiple steps. Finding them is getting harder and harder. It doesnt help that the dash gets slower and slower every year. Any other platform (including win 8), I DL something, and it just pops up its own icon right in the dash, I just play with one click, rearrange it as I please. Just pinning something on the 360 requires multiple steps.
I've heard this complaint before and laugh every time. It is so hard to push left on the d-pad or stick twice and go into the games market place. I actually like how they have the games market place set up. If I want to go to arcade games, I can go right to the arcade section. And pinning is super hard. I have to push the x button on a game and go to pin to home. Good lord, why are they making us do all these complicated steps! I'll take the xbox marketplace over the jumbled mess that sony has rolled out. Trying to find anything on their store takes several different clicks.
post #5208 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Bailey151 View Post

LMAO - it's called business acumen. You really think the lousy few bucks you pay for live actually pays the bills? Me I'll take the easy to ignore adverts over paying the full freight for the service.

Tell that to steam, PSN, even Nintendo. They offer the same basic service free of charge. What does MS offer that they dont? Cross game chat? Parties? You think its costs them that much to set up a peer to peer chat? Matchmaking then? I guess no one noticed that the individual devs are footing that bill, hence the now ubiquitous online pass?
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Of course Sony is talking games - what else do they have to talk about? Another craptastic version of their interface, another poorly designed store, ............. Simple fact - it's a content center, the more it can do the more they will sell. So it orders pizza - wow, how horrible (especially in the land of the lardo). Guess MS should dump everything & just play games?

Nope, just make a dash I can rearrange on my terms. Or leave the ads and stop charging me. Let me make that choice. And as poorly designed as the PS3 dash is, at least it loads the ads *after* you boot it, and its super responsive. Being able to put games into folders is even better than pinning. Vita has no ads on the dash either (just in the storefront, which is acceptable)
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I like the numbnuts in the article............so the McDonalds ad is annoying? Um, what happens when they turn on a TV? Visit a web page? Play a freebie game on the phone? Guess they spend a lot of time being annoyed.

All of the above are free. It's a win/win. This is win/lose.
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Backwards compatibility is huge........50 some million users who likely won't change even if Sony gives away playstations is what it means in real terms. Why would anyone bother to change if it comes down to "sign in & everything is there"?

I'm sure they're banking on the complacency of their users too. It's worked out so far. Makes me more interested in buying their stock than their platform though.
post #5209 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Its a reasonable assumption that the moves they are making now will carry forward into the next gen. They can focus only on so much - and everything that isn't a game is a distraction from its primary purpose. Sure, you can fire up a game in the drive real easy. Firing up an XBLA game requires multiple steps. Finding them is getting harder and harder. It doesnt help that the dash gets slower and slower every year. Any other platform (including win 8), I DL something, and it just pops up its own icon right in the dash, I just play with one click, rearrange it as I please. Just pinning something on the 360 requires multiple steps.

And the *only* reason those steps are required and the dashboard is slow is cause of the ads that dominate every page of your dash. They suck up the space, they take time to load, while you stare at the pretty swirls. What do you get for that inconvenience? Nothing. At least amazon had the courtesy to reduce the price of their "kindle with offers" - and they hardly have the audacity to put those ads on the front page of your ebook library or slow down the UI.

Everyone gets their panties in a twist over the online only rumor. The mere mention of it can trigger a few dozen posts about how people just wont buy it, that theyd be crazy to do it. The underlying complaint there is that people don't want it to be more difficult to access the content they've paid for. Everyone is quick to point out that the only beneficiary there is Microsoft. This is the same thing, happening in a different way.

Maybe whatever changes theyve made so far arent stepping on the particular way you want to use your console....yet. Don't be surprised if the next update changes that too.

Pressing X and pin is now hard?

Not everyone is dealing with this so called slow dashboard. I can't be the only one that isn't experiencing this slow UI you speak of.

Just did this a few minutes ago.
post #5210 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

Pressing X and pin is now hard?

Not everyone is dealing with this so called slow dashboard. I can't be the only one that isn't experiencing this slow UI you speak of.

Just did this a few minutes ago.

Mine takes quite a bit longer than that. When's the last time you turned on your Xbox before that? I'm sure it caches all those ads so you don't need to reload them every time. I only occasionally turn mine on nowadays, could explain the difference.

But seriously, speed concerns aside, I don't understand how you can see a screen after screen where 75% of the usable space is ads and think to yourself, "yep, this is just what I want out of my console". I mean, I can understand not being bothered by it, but defending it? I honestly don't get it.
post #5211 of 7006
I know the only time my UI is a little slow is on start up. But I usually turn on my xbox and then go grab some water and get my headset out and turn it on, so by the time I do all that my xbox is ready to go. I really don't see the reason for complaining about apps.

I especially don't get the complaints about games. Xbox still has plenty of games on it. True, they don't have a ton of exclusives, but exclusives aren't big sellers anymore for the most part. In fact, go look at the sales numbers on PS3 exclusives and you'll see that besides a couple games, they just don't sell well at all. Sony fanboys like to call out that MS doesn't have anything other than Halo, Gears, and Forza, yet their exclusives sell less than MS's.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

But seriously, speed concerns aside, I don't understand how you can see a screen after screen where 75% of the usable space is ads and think to yourself, "yep, this is just what I want out of my console". I mean, I can understand not being bothered by it, but defending it? I honestly don't get it.

we get it. you don't like the Xbox...

bd2003: "I'm not really anti-Durango, what they're doing could be very interesting. I really just wanted one console to surpass the other in terms of raw power, and Id rather that one be Sony.
My hope is that the PS4 is just powerful enough that it can run at 60fps what nextbox does at 30fps."
post #5213 of 7006
Jesus H, let's get this thread back on track. BD, you hate ads on the Xbox UI, great, stop whining about it. Most people don't give a damn because they ignore them and play games.
post #5214 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Mine takes quite a bit longer than that. When's the last time you turned on your Xbox before that? I'm sure it caches all those ads so you don't need to reload them every time. I only occasionally turn mine on nowadays, could explain the difference.

But seriously, speed concerns aside, I don't understand how you can see a screen after screen where 75% of the usable space is ads and think to yourself, "yep, this is just what I want out of my console". I mean, I can understand not being bothered by it, but defending it? I honestly don't get it.

It doesn't matter when I turn my 360 on or off this is how all 3 of them run on a daily basis. It gets utilized for everything since I got rid of Directv. Games, streaming and rentals.


So now the ad you were talking about in the bottom right corner is now changed to the whole section. So now it is an issue to see the latest trailer release of Splinter Cell and have one click and you are watching the video? Or the latest DLC for a popular game like Halo and you go straight to download for a gamer that was waiting on a release? Or the latest release of a arcade game and some how this is an inconvenience? This is what you are tripping about which is a one-click option?

OMG an ad for a DLC I want. I shouldn't see it on my dashboard for the convenience to download. or use Bing to search for anything related or specific that I want. Everyone settles for convenience and Sony for example with their Store doesn't have that. After 7 years this has been an issue and because they showed a video feature of the new PSN we are supposed to jump for joy and just expect it to run smoothly after 7 years of what we use now and they still can't get it right?
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I know the only time my UI is a little slow is on start up. But I usually turn on my xbox and then go grab some water and get my headset out and turn it on, so by the time I do all that my xbox is ready to go. I really don't see the reason for complaining about apps.

I guess I made it sound like I'm somehow against the Pizza Hut app - Im not really. I just think its kinda silly for MS to even think about. It's just beneath them. They'd be better off just opening the platform, releasing the SDK, and letting Pizza Hut make their own app. I don't need major nelson to send out a press release.
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I especially don't get the complaints about games. Xbox still has plenty of games on it. True, they don't have a ton of exclusives, but exclusives aren't big sellers anymore for the most part. In fact, go look at the sales numbers on PS3 exclusives and you'll see that besides a couple games, they just don't sell well at all. Sony fanboys like to call out that MS doesn't have anything other than Halo, Gears, and Forza, yet their exclusives sell less than MS's.

I'm a gamer, not an analyst or MS/Sony stockholder. Couldn't care less about sales numbers. Most of the exclusives on either side aren't that interesting to me, but all other things being equal, Id rather have the platform with the wider selection. Of course all other things are hardly equal....but it's just another thing to consider.
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

It doesn't matter when I turn my 360 on or off this is how all 3 of them run on a daily basis. It gets utilized for everything since I got rid of Directv. Games, streaming and rentals.


So now the ad you were talking about in the bottom right corner is now changed to the whole section. So now it is an issue to see the latest trailer release of Splinter Cell and have one click and you are watching the video? Or the latest DLC for a popular game like Halo and you go straight to download for a gamer that was waiting on a release? Or the latest release of a arcade game and some how this is an inconvenience? This is what you are tripping about which is a one-click option?

OMG an ad for a DLC I want. I shouldn't see it on my dashboard for the convenience to download. or use Bing to search for anything related or specific that I want. Everyone settles for convenience and Sony for example with their Store doesn't have that. After 7 years this has been an issue and because they showed a video feature of the new PSN we are supposed to jump for joy and just expect it to run smoothly after 7 years of what we use now and they still can't get it right?
You said it so perfectly in this post. I need to save this so I can post it to anyone that complains about this stuff.
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Originally Posted by ahartig View Post

Jesus H, let's get this thread back on track. BD, you hate ads on the Xbox UI, great, stop whining about it. Most people don't give a damn because they ignore them and play games.

Pizza Hut is the Xbox news of the day. If you've got something else to share, by all means.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I guess I made it sound like I'm somehow against the Pizza Hut app - Im not really. I just think its kinda silly for MS to even think about. It's just beneath them. They'd be better off just opening the platform, releasing the SDK, and letting Pizza Hut make their own app. I don't need major nelson to send out a press release.
MS has been rolling out apps, because in this day and age everything is used for multiple reasons. I don't just use my phone to call anymore, I have apps to do other things. And this is an area where Sony is again falling behind. They have just a few small apps. It's nice that they "focus on games", but most games are multiplatform these days. While sony is only worrying about games, MS is giving even more options to everyone.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Tell that to steam, PSN, even Nintendo. They offer the same basic service free of charge. What does MS offer that they dont? Cross game chat? Parties? You think its costs them that much to set up a peer to peer chat? Matchmaking then?...
Steam, PSN, and Nintendo could learn a thing from Microsoft. Microsoft has figured out how to generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue per year by offering "the same basic service" as those guys. Obviously there are a few tens of millions of users who percieve the $3-5/month for Gold as a better value than what others are offering for free. That's business acumen - offering a desireable service at a price that attracts many buyers.

jeff
post #5220 of 7006
Not to get into a $h!t storm, but as i don't have a playstation and the Wii has not been on in forever, do any of those free services have ads?

If not, then I have to agree that the current version of the dashboard is getting crowded. It is slow for me as well and I play almost every night. You want an ad then make it entirely game related and only let it take up 1 spot on that main page. Have it cycle through however many there are.

The fact that I am paying for this service (XBox live) should allow me to block out all ads. On all four subscriptions.

I like the option to install an application but for the love of Pete, make some form of a store like apple has.
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