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post #5341 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah that part kind of blew my mind. I think extending the whole view onto the living room is a little silly, but the little effects like that pulse would be super cool. Kind of like the controller rumble, just a tiny little thing that adds to the experience.

the extension of that was cool in the demo where they made the background gray. this would be a nice touch for when you die. turn the surrounding entertainment center gray or shades of red.
post #5342 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

the extension of that was cool in the demo where they made the background gray. this would be a nice touch for when you die. turn the surrounding entertainment center gray or shades of red.

Yeah there's a ton of possibilities. Flashes of light when someone is shooting at you off screen, or one side of your room warping whenever you get hit. They could use a really low res blur effect to enhance the sense of speed in a racer, and have it really vibrate and go nuts if you get into a crash. With the right projector and active glasses they could do some absolutely insane 3D effects as well.
post #5343 of 7006
didn't bungie say Destiny was coming to the next xbox console? In my mind that would imply the console is coming out relatively soon,as in this year.
post #5344 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Ripeer View Post

didn't bungie say Destiny was coming to the next xbox console? In my mind that would imply the console is coming out relatively soon,as in this year.

There's pretty much zero chance it's NOT coming this year.
post #5345 of 7006
maybe i am just old, but i don't care about kinect, illumroom, or kineyeilluwii or anything else. I don't feel like they really bring anything to the table for the games i play..
post #5346 of 7006
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

maybe i am just old, .
nothing wrong with you being old... tongue.gif
post #5347 of 7006
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

maybe i am just old, but i don't care about kinect, illumroom, or kineyeilluwii or anything else. I don't feel like they really bring anything to the table for the games i play..

Us old guys are in agreement...
post #5348 of 7006
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

maybe i am just old, but i don't care about kinect, illumroom, or kineyeilluwii or anything else. I don't feel like they really bring anything to the table for the games i play..
I'm right there with you. It's not even about being lazy. I work all day and then go to the gym every night, so I am not being lazy. I just want to sit and enjoy my games. I have no interest in Kinect, and really wish it was optional next gen.
post #5349 of 7006
the former guys from Infinity Ward (Respawn) making a next Xbox game?

http://kotaku.com/the-next-gen-xbox-is-getting-a-hell-of-an-exclusive-so-484785241

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The long-awaited first game from Respawn Entertainment—the studio helmed by the creators of Call of Duty—will be exclusive to the next-gen Xbox, according to two unrelated sources familiar with the game. One of our sources indicates that there will also be an Xbox 360 version, but no versions for rival PlayStation and Nintendo consoles.

The new game from Respawn is a futuristic multiplayer-centric online shooter, one of our sources says. The source describes the game as a battle of Davids and Goliaths. The Davids are heavily-armed foot soldiers. The Goliaths are the giant exosekeltons—Titans—that these soldiers can pilot. These Titans are big mech-style walkers that move with an agility not seen in games like Mechwarrior or Steel Battalions.

To keep the action balanced, game maps limit the number of Titans that can be used in a skirmish. Weapon loadouts for the foot soldiers are designed to ensure that the characters on foot can take out the Titans if need be. The source who described the game does not work at Respawn, but their description tracks with the long-reported desire by the former Infinity Ward team to make a sci-fi shooter.

The new Respawn game, one of our sources tells us, is made on a modified version of Valve's Source engine, not on internal EA tech. The source believes the game looks very good on Durango but not as good as EA's internally-made Battlefield 4. That source also says that Respawn is only working on the Durango version of the game and is hand-picking a studio to make the 360 edition.

Our source was less clear on whether the game would have a single-player mode but speculated that players might be able to go into maps and battle only against bots. They did not think that the game would have a standalone linear campaign, which would might disappoint those who enjoyed the excitement and narrative daring of Modern Warfare's solo campaigns.
post #5350 of 7006
That would be a big win for MS out the gate. If it's true, they should really have them at either the May event or E3, which I am sure they would do. The concept sounds cool though.
post #5351 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

the former guys from Infinity Ward (Respawn) making a next Xbox game?

http://kotaku.com/the-next-gen-xbox-is-getting-a-hell-of-an-exclusive-so-484785241

excerpts:

The long-awaited first game from Respawn Entertainment—the studio helmed by the creators of Call of Duty—will be exclusive to the next-gen Xbox, according to two unrelated sources familiar with the game. One of our sources indicates that there will also be an Xbox 360 version, but no versions for rival PlayStation and Nintendo consoles.

The new game from Respawn is a futuristic multiplayer-centric online shooter, one of our sources says. The source describes the game as a battle of Davids and Goliaths. The Davids are heavily-armed foot soldiers. The Goliaths are the giant exosekeltons—Titans—that these soldiers can pilot. These Titans are big mech-style walkers that move with an agility not seen in games like Mechwarrior or Steel Battalions.

To keep the action balanced, game maps limit the number of Titans that can be used in a skirmish. Weapon loadouts for the foot soldiers are designed to ensure that the characters on foot can take out the Titans if need be. The source who described the game does not work at Respawn, but their description tracks with the long-reported desire by the former Infinity Ward team to make a sci-fi shooter.

The new Respawn game, one of our sources tells us, is made on a modified version of Valve's Source engine, not on internal EA tech. The source believes the game looks very good on Durango but not as good as EA's internally-made Battlefield 4. That source also says that Respawn is only working on the Durango version of the game and is hand-picking a studio to make the 360 edition.

Our source was less clear on whether the game would have a single-player mode but speculated that players might be able to go into maps and battle only against bots. They did not think that the game would have a standalone linear campaign, which would might disappoint those who enjoyed the excitement and narrative daring of Modern Warfare's solo campaigns.

Source seems believable, since it also originated as a modified version of the quake engine, something the original cod guys would be comfortable with. Also runs nice and fast on x86, you know it's gonna be a 60fps game....although source runs like garbage on the older consoles. I dig the concept they're describing, but find it really difficult to believe EA would allow them to make an exclusive game, unless there was an ungodly sum of money coming their way. I guess they gotta spend that XBL gold money somehow though.
post #5352 of 7006
What multiplayer only centric console game has had success? Because exclusive or not none of the past games have seen heavy success.

Cool if you like it personally but to talk in general about it giving an advantage when we have yet to see that for any system to push sales or popularity over games like COD and Halo.
post #5353 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

What multiplayer only centric console game has had success? Because exclusive or not none of the past games have seen heavy success.

Cool if you like it personally but to talk in general about it giving an advantage when we have yet to see that for any system to push sales or popularity over games like COD and Halo.

Apparently half of the people that buy cod never touch single player. If you took just those people, that's like over 10 million strong, so I don't think being multiplayer only will hold it back if it's a great MP game.
post #5354 of 7006
this was the argument made by BF3 people. and it's an argument I find lame. I still like a story campaign. i like cutscenes. i like feeling like I'm advancing an event. I like cliffhangers. I like the ebb and flow of a story.

don't get me wrong. I like MP as well. but if it's only MP, then it's just kill, kill, kill, rinse and repeat.

i've always been more of a co-op person anyway. since it appears the game has bots, it'd help out with a semi co-op experience.
post #5355 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Apparently half of the people that buy cod never touch single player. If you took just those people, that's like over 10 million strong, so I don't think being multiplayer only will hold it back if it's a great MP game.

Then are none of the multiplayer only games great prior? I am not just talking FPS but none has been a massive success. As for COD those 10 million strong don't translate to other sale sof multiplayer games. That's ten million strong of COD buying COD every year and only playing COD. I enjoy Bungie and their past games but I was disappoint personally that they are making a MMO game that on consoles don't have much success and I don't see anything that's different than what other gamess have tried to do.

Maybe Bungie can pull it off but the track record shows none of these games last on consoles. It is just like the situation with RTS and the most successful RTS on consoles was Halo Wars. I don't see Diablo being much success on consoles either.
post #5356 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

Then are none of the multiplayer only games great prior? I am not just talking FPS but none has been a massive success. As for COD those 10 million strong don't translate to other sale sof multiplayer games. That's ten million strong of COD buying COD every year and only playing COD. I enjoy Bungie and their past games but I was disappoint personally that they are making a MMO game that on consoles don't have much success and I don't see anything that's different than what other Ames have tried to do.

There's battlefield 3, halo, gears. Arguably FIFA and Madden, NBA2K, etc. GTA 4 is still on the top ten most played XBL games, cause of its MP. If they took the SP out of those games, people would still buy them.

Keep in mind multiplayer on console didnt become a big thing until this gen. SP games are dropping the unnecessary MP, the SP will probably get dropped from MP games soon too.
Edited by bd2003 - 4/29/13 at 4:40pm
post #5357 of 7006
Left 4 dead is basically multi only. MAG & Shadowrun were too. Their not COD level of sales but did pretty well. Battlefield was multi only for awhile too. Plenty of games can be multi only and do well. I'm good with SP and MP so long as one doesn't suffer for the other. Several games had brilliant SP and obligatory MP, Spec Ops, Far Cry. Would have been better to drop multi altogether.
post #5358 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Apparently half of the people that buy cod never touch single player. If you took just those people, that's like over 10 million strong, so I don't think being multiplayer only will hold it back if it's a great MP game.
Hell I barely touched BF3 Single Player and Black Ops 2 Single Player.
post #5359 of 7006
I'm a multiplayer only guy. I could care less about single player. Bring on the higher player count. This is what I am most excited about with the next box. Hoping no matter where I go on a large multiplayer map that I will run into action. Probably the thing I am most jealous over when comparing Xbox 360 to pc.
post #5360 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

There's battlefield 3, halo, gears. Arguably FIFA and Madden, NBA2K, etc. GTA 4 is still on the top ten most played XBL games, cause of its MP. If they took the SP out of those games, people would still buy them.

Keep in mind multiplayer on console didnt become a big thing until this gen. SP games are dropping the unnecessary MP, the SP will probably get dropped from MP games soon too.

People would buy them but no way they would be as successful as they are without the single player and that is a variety of genres you listed. If all these games were just MP we would be hearing about wanting variety in those games. There is a place for MP only ames like lordax5 mentioned was successful on the PC at a time PCs were the only systems you can play those games with massive online play. Halo would not be as popular as it is today if it was just multiplayer. No best selling novels or record breaking beating movie sales.

I don't believe single player is going away and I am not sure what trend you see just because some play only the MP portion of games. Again if this was the case than these games should be more popular than they are for just offering MP on any device. Not just PC like Sims, BF1942 and Warcraft.
post #5361 of 7006
I always play the campaign...once. It's a one and done thing, and I don't think most would miss it too much. Probably better to use those resources towards the multiplayer experience.
post #5362 of 7006
You know it all depends on the game. Some do good SP some good MP some neither. Warcraft is a good example of MP done right. PC only but you get the idea. Dark Souls & Demons Souls are probably the finest blend of SP, coop, & MP out there. Games like that are only starting to be thought of and possible.

I can see stuff like COD & BF having SP blended into MP to make the experience grander. Say you take on a small couple hour mission that leads to a giant battle in MP. I'm not talking trainers before MP, hot spots within kind of like Red Dead did on the multi map. Up the player count and things get real interesting.
post #5363 of 7006
Then some of you shouldn't be bothered if systems are required to be always online and some of you believe we are going towards this multiplayer only games.
post #5364 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

People would buy them but no way they would be as successful as they are without the single player and that is a variety of genres you listed. If all these games were just MP we would be hearing about wanting variety in those games. There is a place for MP only ames like lordax5 mentioned was successful on the PC at a time PCs were the only systems you can play those games with massive online play. Halo would not be as popular as it is today if it was just multiplayer. No best selling novels or record breaking beating movie sales.

I don't believe single player is going away and I am not sure what trend you see just because some play only the MP portion of games. Again if this was the case than these games should be more popular than they are for just offering MP on any device. Not just PC like Sims, BF1942 and Warcraft.

It took PC games a very long time to transition to multiplayer only. It was actually a pretty big deal when BF1942, Quake 3 and UT came out and they didnt have SP, people were really upset, like they were getting cheated out of half of a game. But they got over it quick, because the games were better for it. Someone just had to have the balls to do it despite the naysayers, and then no one looked back. MP is really only a generation old on console, the last generation barely had it except towards the end. Single player isnt going anywhere, I just expect to see a lot more MP only games.
post #5365 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

BF1942, Quake 3 and UT

are any of those games around anymore? when you don't have an attachment to the characters of a game, the game becomes dispensable. Doom and Quake resonate with people more because people remember the experiences. Does anyone really remember their headshots in Quake 3 Arena? Maybe a couple. But people sure as heck remember having to hack through all those Flood in Halo. Do people still play UT? Of course not. with MP games, the game become a fad. It's much harder to keep a fad going. It's no longer a character you remember like Lara Croft. It's just another skinned model whether you skin you model with a beard or give your model a mohawk or make the pants a different camo pattern.

with games with strong SP components, you remember the games forever. look at Halo and the zillion of books and other encyclopedic material. look at Gears of War. Uncharted series. Mario series. Zelda series.
post #5366 of 7006
I still prefer bots to lag and camping and 12 year olds and people with too large of a stereo or breathing problems.
post #5367 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

are any of those games around anymore? when you don't have an attachment to the characters of a game, the game becomes dispensable. Doom and Quake resonate with people more because people remember the experiences. Does anyone really remember their headshots in Quake 3 Arena? Maybe a couple. But people sure as heck remember having to hack through all those Flood in Halo. Do people still play UT? Of course not. with MP games, the game become a fad. It's much harder to keep a fad going. It's no longer a character you remember like Lara Croft. It's just another skinned model whether you skin you model with a beard or give your model a mohawk or make the pants a different camo pattern.

with games with strong SP components, you remember the games forever. look at Halo and the zillion of books and other encyclopedic material. look at Gears of War. Uncharted series. Mario series. Zelda series.

Those are just examples of the first few games that went MP only, and they are positively ancient nowadays. People are still playing them though, yes, even UT, you could get in a game right now. Who's still playing SiN? Who even remembers it? Almost nobody. Quake and UT didnt make a great transition to current gen consoles because they don't play well with a controller. But battlefield is still going strong. The modern military stuff plays great with a controller though - so battlefield and cod rule on console nowadays. CS has been played for well over a decade, they just put out a new version. 30,000 played CS:GO today....compared to 40,000 who played the original CS today. How can you call that a fad? The MP only games have incredibly long lives. You've got people still playing the original starcraft and D2, alongside SC2 and D3. WoW has been played by millions of people for almost a decade, same for TF2. Nowadays the MOBAs are huge - LoL, DOTA 2. None of these are small games, you've got millions upon millions of people playing them every night. I bet the number of people that fire up their PC or Console to play an MP game absolutely dwarf the number that are playing single player games.

SP games come and go, but the truly great MP games stick around and keep their followings for years, decades. I can't believe you just put Lara Croft on a higher pedestal than UT! eek.gif
post #5368 of 7006
Even things like the original Day of Defeat and Team Fortress Classic for the original Half-Life have active multiplayer communities the last time I checked after nearly 15 years.
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

Even things like the original Day of Defeat and Team Fortress Classic for the original Half-Life have active multiplayer communities the last time I checked after nearly 15 years.

day of defeat was my first real MP online game i ever played and i was addicted, i loved that game..
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day of defeat was my first real MP online game i ever played and i was addicted, i loved that game..

Ever play the early betas, where went you got killed, your screen instantly went black? Love that, you felt so....dead. Or that Normandy map, where it was basically just a turkey shoot for the axis, allies never even got halfway down the beach....ahhh, great times.
Edited by bd2003 - 4/30/13 at 8:19am
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