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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

I worked at Microsoft until fairly recently and I call BS on the email. I can understand that email if it was sent to some small set of people or a group of managers, but no way that kind of feature discussion happens on the division-wide email. Stuff like that happens in quarterly/yearly presentations where things can be locked down better.
Yeah, it couldn't possibly have been set up to be a leak to get some positive vibes going two weeks before the reveal...rolleyes.gif
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Xbox doesn't do leaks like this. They are so focused on closing down leaks (many high level/important guys have gotten fired over leaks) that purposefully leaking stuff like this would just cause massive confusion. This is not a leak.
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Xbox doesn't do leaks like this. They are so focused on closing down leaks (many high level/important guys have gotten fired over leaks) that purposefully leaking stuff like this would just cause massive confusion. This is not a leak.
I am pretty sure the heads over at MS know what they are doing. Hell, just look at this forum and other sites. A lot of optimism is flowing right now with the next xbox because of this memo. They get people with a positive look at the Xbox interested in the reveal in a few weeks. Just because you worked at MS, that doesn't mean you know their strategy when it comes to the reveal for the next xbox.
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I worked with many execs over there and know how things work.

I certainly know more than some random internet dude...
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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

I worked with many execs over there and know how things work.

I certainly know more than some random internet dude...
Congrats, you know how they work. It's not like companies every change strategy. I laid out why I think this is a leak, and my reasoning behind why they did it. You may know more than some randon internet dude, but that doesn't mean that you know exactly what MS is doing in this case.
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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

Xbox doesn't do leaks like this. They are so focused on closing down leaks (many high level/important guys have gotten fired over leaks) that purposefully leaking stuff like this would just cause massive confusion. This is not a leak.

of course, there's a difference between a leak and a targeted marketing campaign. But if the terrible gaming rags don't call it a leak, that implies they're complicit with feeding their readers straight PR.

Honestly, thats why we should call it what it is. Gaming journalism is bad enough as it is with payola, immaturity and the strong hand publishers have on the industry.
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

how many people think Xbox Infinity will be the name? it's looking like it and I think it'd be a good name (though I don't know what you do for the console past infinity).

i'm just hoping for a new minecraft. 512MB is really putting a crimp in level design...

XBox360-Δ (Delta)

(No way after the WiiU fiasco)
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

just Xbox would make googling a nightmare. it was a nightmare for the new iPad. I hope Microsoft doesn't do the same thing.

It will be a piece of cake to find if you use Bing!

I think Xbox 8/Infinity. Like, it will be called Infinity but looking it up you would use Xbox 8? Maybe. Who knows. MS is great at ruining good ideas. Infinity is a very cool name and definitely works with the whole media center branding that they're after. Infinity, because it encompasses all your entertainment needs. Why get up from the couch when you can order a pizza from your Infinity!

Maybe they'll just called it Infinite Jest.
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I'm surprised so many are so gun-ho after the MSONY track record with launch units this Gen.

I've learned my lesson. I'll be waiting for at least the first SKU change to get a handle on any launch issues. Hell, There's still to many current gen games inhabiting my coffee table that haven't even been touched.

(But, it is going to be hard if BF4 is both a launch title and is on parity with the PC)

I agree with this. I got burned on 2 360s and waited on the PS3 for quite a few months until I gave up on the 360. I see no good reason to a first adopter guinea pig this time around.
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Right there with you guys on waiting. Nintendo is the only console maker I feel safe buying from at launch, Sony and Microsoft have burned me multiple times each with early hardware purchases, not happening this time, I'm content to wait.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Yeah, it couldn't possibly have been set up to be a leak to get some positive vibes going two weeks before the reveal...rolleyes.gif

They don't need to get positive vibes going, they're already there in spades. After all these years, people are already on the edge of their seats waiting w/ baited breath for a new console. In a culture where tech changes in an instant, a new console is LONG overdue. There'll be no shortage of pre-orders(IMMEDIATELY I might add), and certainly no shortage of holiday sales. Microsoft(or Sony) need to create good vibes for a new console about as much as a guy selling ice-cold bottled water in the middle of the desert.
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Xbox Fusion is my guess. It combines you with everything in entertainment.
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They don't need to get positive vibes going, they're already there in spades. After all these years, people are already on the edge of their seats waiting w/ baited breath for a new console. In a culture where tech changes in an instant, a new console is LONG overdue. There'll be no shortage of pre-orders(IMMEDIATELY I might add), and certainly no shortage of holiday sales. Microsoft(or Sony) need to create good vibes for a new console about as much as a guy selling ice-cold bottled water in the middle of the desert.

Yep.

They will sell every single one they can make from this holiday season all the way until next Spring. Neither console will sit on a store shelf more than 24 hours.

After that sales will definitely slow down. But there are literally tens of millions of people waiting for the next playstation & xbox. The last problem they are concerned about if people will purchase it. Even then.. consoles arent "just for gaming" anymore. The same people who would purchase a Bluray player, Roku, AppleTV, HTPC, DVR, Slingbox, Cable box, etc.. are the same people who will purchase a next gen console that has all these features built in.
Edited by Daekwan - 5/9/13 at 6:33am
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Man, I can't tell you how nice it would be for MS to have a TV tuner in the box. That would be really cool if they offered OTA DVR options. I'd be all over that. Cord Cutters UNITE !
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As a cable subscriber, I don't see what I could possibly gain by routing my cable tv signal through my Xbox 720.
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

As a cable subscriber, I don't see what I could possibly gain by routing my cable tv signal through my Xbox 720.

nothing for you, but there are more and more people like me that cut cable, because i couldn't justify the high cost... i don't really miss it..

also sony says PS4 won't be a major loss like PS4 was
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/09/sony-not-anticipating-a-loss-with-playstation-4-launch?abthid=518bac5b178cc02429000004
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

As a cable subscriber, I don't see what I could possibly gain by routing my cable tv signal through my Xbox 720.
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nothing for you, but there are more and more people like me that cut cable, because i couldn't justify the high cost... i don't really miss it..

Plenty to gain! For me personally, it would be that I would only really use one box to do everything I wanted too on my tv! But not only that, if I was just relaxing and causally watching tv, I would have easy access to see what my gaming pals were up too and can join them in some games, or be invited to games.

Also depending on how it was incorporated, because it is using the xbox, they could enable smartglass support for live tv, much like they do for live events (elections and etc). This could then make the TV experience more interactive or providing additional context/trivia. Maybe if they incorporated a DVR, it would notify you just like an Xbox notification that a recording is finished and ready to be watched...

The possibilities are almost endless......

"One box to rule them all".... That is my dream, I've been chasing it for a few years now with HTPC's and it still hasn't happened in my opinion, but this new Xbox just might!
Edited by RandomNinjaAtk - 5/9/13 at 8:30am
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I would love it if the next xbox can do all of the stuff you guys are mentioning. The days on my console being used solely for games are long gone. I have a wife and two kids, so having all the apps and entertainment options really make it an easy sell for me.
Edited by americangunner - 5/9/13 at 8:52am
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It only begins to become interesting to me as a cable alternative, if I don't need a full blown cable sub. I haven't had one for 5 years, cable has long been dead to me. I don't watch sports, and I don't want to pay the associated premium for it. Nor do I really care for lifetime or HGTV. If I can just get the channels or shows I'm interested in, at a reasonable price, without any extraneous subs like XBL gold or a zillion channels I have no interest in.....then we're talking.

I have little faith that will happen....so I just can't bring myself to get excited about any of that stuff. Cable companies are fighting to maintain that model, and MS has so far chosen to side with them on it.
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post

"One box to rule them all".... That is my dream, I've been chasing it for a few years now with HTPC's and it still hasn't happened in my opinion, but this new Xbox just might!

Bingo.

Give me one box to hook up that does it all. In a perfect world thats what I want.

Actually in a perfect world, I want everything either built into my TV.

No.. in a truly perfect dream world.. I want every piece of media (gaming, htpc, cable, music, movies, pics) I use to run off a single server/client based box in my home that wirelessly connects to every display I have in my home.
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F2P will be heavy focus in next gen..
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/09/sony-microsoft-going-heavily-on-free-to-play-next-gen-says-e/

Sony and Microsoft are telling developers they're "going heavily" on free-to-play and in-app purchasing models with their next-gen consoles, according to Epic Games VP Mark Rein. Speaking in a roundtable discussion at the UK's Game Horizon conference, Rein said both companies will take on the kinds of financial models seen on mobile devices.

"The next-gen consoles are going to be fully embracing the free-to-play and these IAP-type business models," Rein told the audience, "So in case you don't know that I'm putting that out there. Sony and Microsoft are both going heavily in that area."

Roundtable chair Matt Martin of GamesIndustry International said that's what both platform holders are saying, but that "we still need to see some kind of evidence."

Rein replied, "Well, I'm telling you. I'm telling you what they're telling developers."

In this month's issue of Game Informer, via Gaming Everything, Sony Worldwide Studios chief Shuhei Yoshida said his company's working on a "free-to-play type" PS4 game, and that Sony is open-minded when it comes to different financial models.

"We are developing a free-to-play type of game, but we haven't announced it yet," Yoshida told Game Informer. "We don't have any subscription-based games in development, but we are not crossing out any type of game; if it makes sense for a particular project, we'll look at adopting different models. We are open for any types of models. Overall, we are increasing investment in the digital side of development, either through digital titles like Journey that we've been doing, but also trying to add more service-based models to our games going forward, like DLCs or additional features post launch."

Sony also recently announced Blacklight: Retribution as a free-to-play PS4 game.

Later during the Game Horizon roundtable, which focused on "new opportunities in video game hardware," Rein said the PS4 and next Xbox can learn from Google and Apple on how to make gaming more convenient for players.

"I think what you're going to see the new consoles do is a better job of making it easier," Rein said. "I think the real big thing that the consoles can do is improve their interfaces. They can improve the Xbox Live-type experience. They can improve their media center capabilities. But that's only going to make them also better platforms for having your games. Your games will just come down from the cloud, you'll be able to go to any Xbox, sign in, and boom, you'll be able to play your game."

"I think they can make gaming a lot more convenient, and then I think you'll game more if it's more convenient," he added.

We should learn more on all that in the coming weeks, with the next Xbox set to be announced on May 21, and E3 kicking off in just over a month's time.
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

nothing for you, but there are more and more people like me that cut cable, because i couldn't justify the high cost... i don't really miss it..

So what do you gain from it? Possible DVR service for over the air broadcasts instead of buying a separate DVR?
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Plenty to gain! For me personally, it would be that I would only really use one box to do everything I wanted too on my tv!

If you're a HD cable subscriber, you're going to have a box anyways as far as I know. And if you just watch over the air broadcast from a limited selection of channels (I'm sure it's better in more urban areas but I receive a total of three channels that way), you don't have a box I assume to replace.
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post

Also depending on how it was incorporated, because it is using the xbox, they could enable smartglass support for live tv, much like they do for live events (elections and etc). This could then make the TV experience more interactive or providing additional context/trivia. Maybe if they incorporated a DVR, it would notify you just like an Xbox notification that a recording is finished and ready to be watched...

The possibilities are almost endless......

They all seem so limited and gimmicky that I'm surprised it's exciting. But I hope it works out and fits the vision you guys have for it.

I suspect it will be about as exciting and seamless as Nintendo's effort to blend their Wii U with television viewing though.
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It only begins to become interesting to me as a cable alternative, if I don't need a full blown cable sub. I haven't had one for 5 years, cable has long been dead to me. I don't watch sports, and I don't want to pay the associated premium for it. Nor do I really care for lifetime or HGTV. If I can just get the channels or shows I'm interested in, at a reasonable price, without any extraneous subs like XBL gold or a zillion channels I have no interest in.....then we're talking. .

So we're talking about a scenario where Xbox Live becomes your cable provider? I thought we were talking about routing your existing OTA, cable, or satellite service through your Xbox 720 on its way to your tv.

That puts a different spin on things but I'm extremely skeptical that networks like ESPN will ever support a model where you just pay for what channels you actually want or that the savings you guys seem to be envisioning will come to fruition. They want even the non ESPN viewers paying and the entire model of these networks is laid out around that. And they want you to pay more, not less.

But I suppose if it happens, you would save a couple of square feet of space if that's crucial. But I think the only way you're going to experience significant savings from cutting the cord is if you restrict yourself to just subscribing to a online streaming service or two.
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If you're a HD cable subscriber, you're going to have a box anyways as far as I know. And if you just watch over the air broadcast from a limited selection of channels (I'm sure it's better in more urban areas but I receive a total

I think you missed my point with one box. Your cable box does not play games, can't check what my friends are doing on xbox live or any of the other features. However, if it was incorporated into the Xbox, either directly or similar to google tv. I would never have to change the input again, and I can easily do a lot more things, like party chat with my friends on xbox live while watching tv, or easily jump into a game from watching tv, without the need of changing inputs or turning on another device to do any other functions, cause it would all be available in on place....
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post

"One box to rule them all".... That is my dream, I've been chasing it for a few years now with HTPC's and it still hasn't happened in my opinion, but this new Xbox just might!

Honestly, personally I already have that with my HTPC (with CableCard tuners) / gaming PC.

Assuming the rumors are correct, I'm not sure how this new Xbox would do that for you, since you will still need to connect a cable box to the HDMI in of the console.
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

Honestly, personally I already have that with my HTPC (with CableCard tuners) / gaming PC.

Assuming the rumors are correct, I'm not sure how this new Xbox would do that for you, since you will still need to connect a cable box to the HDMI in of the console.

These days I tend to do my regular gaming on my Xbox, and mostly just play Starcraft 2 on the PC (I do LAN PC gaming with other friends/games). So it would never work for me because of that reason alone, but that's not entirely why.... Mostly the problem with the HTPC route is software related and due to that, it never became my one stop box....

I don't need to go into details about it all, but I had 2 HTPC's. I pieced those out, because it wasn't going to workout, but I still use my 2 media servers and HDHomeRun Prime (6 Tuner) to feed WMC for each Xbox, thus making my current 360's my cablebox now. But it is still imperfect in my opinion because its not as integrated as I would like it to be with TV (It should be like the newest version of XBMC).....
Edited by RandomNinjaAtk - 5/9/13 at 11:58am
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I wonder what's going to happen with the current Xbox 360 once the new console is out. To me it doesn't compare to the previous gen where 360 displaced the original Xbox. I don't think we're going to see that huge of a jump in graphics / features plus a lot of us have a huuuuuuuge backlog of 360 games to get through still. 360 games are still pretty nice on a 1080p TV. Will be interesting to see how many will get the new one day 1. The details/announcement are a couple of weeks off but my gut feeling going into it is I'm probably not going to want the next Xbox until the price drops after Christmas. Maybe early 2014. Here's hoping I"m wrong and they blow me away May 21st.
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It's not inconceivable that in the distant future we'll all see some sort of convergence-where the TV is an all-in-one device w/ a small internal hard drive that has a TON of memory. Your movies, games, music, etc., all in one box. No more separate cable/satellite/gaming "boxes". Who knows how it'll all shake out? Will MS/Sony(or even Apple) manufacture their own TV's? Will they buy out a TV manufacturer or vice versa? Right now I'd settle for the next Xbox replacing your cable/sat subscription. Of course the picture quality would have to be equal to my Directv...
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I wonder what's going to happen with the current Xbox 360 once the new console is out. To me it doesn't compare to the previous gen where 360 displaced the original Xbox. I don't think we're going to see that huge of a jump in graphics / features plus a lot of us have a huuuuuuuge backlog of 360 games to get through still. 360 games are still pretty nice on a 1080p TV. Will be interesting to see how many will get the new one day 1. The details/announcement are a couple of weeks off but my gut feeling going into it is I'm probably not going to want the next Xbox until the price drops after Christmas. Maybe early 2014. Here's hoping I"m wrong and they blow me away May 21st.
I agree that the jump may not be as drastic as Xbox to 360, but I do think you will see a good jump in performance. And not only just graphics, but hopefully with enemy AI and stuff like that. As powerful as these machines will be as consoles, they should do some cool stuff next gen.
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post

I think you missed my point with one box. Your cable box does not play games, can't check what my friends are doing on xbox live or any of the other features. However, if it was incorporated into the Xbox, either directly or similar to google tv. I would never have to change the input again, and I can easily do a lot more things, like party chat with my friends on xbox live while watching tv, or easily jump into a game from watching tv, without the need of changing inputs or turning on another device to do any other functions, cause it would all be available in on place....

If you're able to subscribe to what channels you want through your Xbox 720.

But if you're a HD cable or dish subscriber and are just routing your signal through your Xbox 720 on the way to your HDTV, this doesn't eliminate a box. And if you're watching OTA broadcasts you'd actually be adding a box where your tv viewing of OTA is concerned by routing it through your console instead of directly to your tv.

But if you can pick and choose what channels you want and have them be streamed to you through Xbox Live, then yes, I suppose you'd be eliminating a box. But I think that's pretty far fetched for right now. I think things like Netflix are going to have to do a lot more damage to the traditional ways of viewing tv before networks are going to be willing to embrace this model. And when/if that does happen, I very much doubt there's going to end up being much savings for the consumer in the long run. You'd probably end up paying more for less when all is said and done.
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I wonder what's going to happen with the current Xbox 360 once the new console is out.

Besides what you're saying about the smaller leap in technology this time around, the 360 has several other benefits that will extend its life and slow Xbox 720 adoption. There are something like three Xbox 360's for every Xbox and the platform has been making money for years including with the sale of the hardware itself unlike the Xbox that was still losing money with every console sold and which only had a single profitable quarter when Halo 2 was released.

So the market is large, the platform is profitable, the evolution to the next generation will likely be the smallest yet, and games are surely going to keep being pumped out on the 360 for quite sometime yet. All of which is going to slow upgrading unlike last time around where Xbox game publishing all but disappeared a year after the 360 launched, HDTV's were starting to become common with the original Xbox essentially a SD/ED console, the program was losing bucket loads of cash for Microsoft, etc.

Once the Xbox had finished its job of establishing a beach head for Microsoft with a grace period of a year or so after the 360 launched, they had no incentive to keep going. But there's lots of money yet to be made with the Xbox 360 this time around.
Edited by Leo_Ames - 5/10/13 at 8:13am
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If you're able to subscribe to what channels you want through your Xbox 720.

But if you're a HD cable or dish subscriber and are just routing your signal through your Xbox 720 on the way to your HDTV, this doesn't eliminate a box. And if you're watching OTA broadcasts you'd actually be adding a box where your tv viewing of OTA is concerned by routing it through your console instead of directly to your tv.

But if you can pick and choose what channels you want and have them be streamed to you through Xbox Live, then yes, I suppose you'd be eliminating a box. But I think that's pretty far fetched for right now. I think things like Netflix are going to have to do a lot more damage to the traditional ways of viewing tv before networks are going to be willing to embrace this model. And when/if that does happen, I very much doubt there's going to end up being much savings for the consumer in the long run. You'd probably end up paying more for less when all is said and done.

Yeah, unfortunately I believe this is the case as well. I'm fairly satisfied with Netflix + broadcast for my TV viewing, but I'd drop another $20 a month for a few channels. But right now its $60+ a month or nothing....so I choose nothing. They can have some of my money, but not all of it....eventually, enough people will cut the cord that they'll have to evolve, but it seems like MS is siding with them, rather than trying to cut them out, like apple.
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