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post #5521 of 7006
Honestly, as long as there are no steps backward, it's a day 1 pre-order for me. Actually maybe not day 1 since I will be on a golf trip next week. I'll be the tech geek checking his cell phone all the time on the golf course on May 21st. biggrin.gif

Things I would really like to have:
Ability to play previous XBLA stuff. The store bought games I don't care about, there won't be anything this gen that I will be upset if I can't carry forward.

DVR functionality. Help me cut the cord easier. And even if I can't cut cable, I could get rid of a DVR box and that would more than pay for XBL. (For the record I have no problem paying $3-4 a month for XBL) In addition to the DVR function, please allow me to connect my OTA antenna.

Allow us to still trade in games. I do not keep any games so I always offset the cost of my new games with trade in values. I think right now I only own Black Ops 2, TW '14, Madden '13, Far Cry 3 and Rock Band 3.

Blu-Ray, so I can sell my PS3. I will probably sell my Xbox 360 as well.
post #5522 of 7006
Rumor: Microsoft killing off Xbox Points in favor of currency and gift cards system

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4332830/microsoft-points-moving-to-gift-card-system
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Microsoft is killing off its Points system that's primarily used for its Xbox console. The death of Microsoft Points has been a long time coming, and follows Microsoft's move away from the virtual currency towards cash in Windows 8. Sources familiar with Microsoft's Xbox plans have revealed to The Verge that the software maker plans to replace Points with a new gift card system.

The new gift cards will be offered in a similar way to Apple's iTunes vouchers, allowing Xbox owners to purchase true currency to be used to download content. We're told that normal cash transactions, using credit and debit cards, will also be supported. Microsoft currently offers gift cards in its retail stores, but these can only be used for purchases in brick and motar stores. The new system will work across Microsoft's various marketplaces, including the Windows Store, Windows Phone Store, and Xbox. We understand that Microsoft is planning to unveil the system as soon as E3, with a planned launch later this year in time for the next-generation Xbox console.

I'm really happy this will be changed, assuming it's true. I don't hate the points system, I earn free points using bing and the rewards program, but it just makes more sense to use real values. I'm sure others will be happy with the change also!
post #5523 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

Honestly, as long as there are no steps backward, it's a day 1 pre-order for me.

This is exactly how I feel. It will take a pretty big screw up for me and my friends to move on from Xbox. I don't care about paying a few bucks for XBL, I like it way more than PSN.
post #5524 of 7006
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post

Rumor: Microsoft killing off Xbox Points in favor of currency and gift cards system

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4332830/microsoft-points-moving-to-gift-card-system
I'm really happy this will be changed, assuming it's true. I don't hate the points system, I earn free points using bing and the rewards program, but it just makes more sense to use real values. I'm sure others will be happy with the change also!

Good...it's always been a slimy practice.
post #5525 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Good...it's always been a slimy practice.
I don't see how it was a "slimy" practice. In fact, there were a lot of times that you could find MS point cards on sale and save some money.
post #5526 of 7006
I don't hate it, but I find it a little deceptive. Cause if your like me, you always have a balance of points left over, because the blocks of points are designed to be more then the cost of DLC or XBLA content, which means you have left over points that will not get used, unless you buy more points.... It's smart in a business sense for them because I'm sure they've made more money for that reason alone....

Also it would be nicer to see what the true value of something costs, instead of having to convert points to $$$$.....

I will be very happy to see it changed, but I don't currently hate how it is. Also you can find deals on points sometimes...
post #5527 of 7006
It wasn't difficult to figure out the cost.

800=10$ 1600=$20

Like Americangunner you were able to save money buying cards just like purchasing Xbox Live Gold. Doesn't matter to me personally if the system goes or not. You can buy retail digital games on the service now with currency. Spending money on movie rentals, arcade and DLC was just like having change in your pocket that eventually gets lost in the cushions or under the car seat. Either way they go I would like for you to be able to put specifically how much you want to make a purchase whether it is points or currency. If you need 200 points or $2 the system will allow you to make that choice.
post #5528 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I don't see how it was a "slimy" practice. In fact, there were a lot of times that you could find MS point cards on sale and save some money.

It's designed to obscure the true cost of items....it's a classic trick, there's decades of research behind it. People will spend more when you abstract real money into tokens. Especially when it isn't a 1:1 ratio.

And then on top of that, you have to buy in blocks of 400, 800, etc....I have money in there I'll never be able to spend or cash out....multiple that by millions of people, and they're holding on to tens of millions of people's dollars.

If they want to sell a MS card at a discount, they can just sell a $50 card for $40, or whatever. If they want to have a rewards program, they can just gift dollars and cents into your account. None of that stuff requires an abstract currency.

It's nothing more than a scheme to trick and force people into spending more money, honestly, I'm surprised its even legal.

I know, I know.....it's not a huge deal. But call a spade a spade....it's a deceptive practice, no one should defend it.
post #5529 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

And then on top of that, you have to buy in blocks of 400, 800, etc....I have money in there I'll never be able to spend or cash out....multiple that by millions of people, and they're holding on to tens of millions of people's dollars.

I hope this isn't the case. I can't see them immediately saying "the points in your account are now worthless because we switched to a currency system." They will have to give users time (1 year? 2 years?) to spend the points they currently have or give them the option to convert them over to currency. Not doing this would cause a huge PR nightmare for them.
post #5530 of 7006
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Originally Posted by kblee View Post

I hope this isn't the case. I can't see them immediately saying "the points in your account are now worthless because we switched to a currency system." They will have to give users time (1 year? 2 years?) to spend the points they currently have or give them the option to convert them over to currency. Not doing this would cause a huge PR nightmare for them.

Oh no, I didnt mean when I said that I'd never be able to spend the money, that I was saying they were going to nuke everyone's account. Just that I always have a perpetual leftover of a few bucks....even if its just a few dollars, it's still my money, I don't appreciate it. If I have $3.50 in my account for whatever reason, and I want to buy something $10, I should just be able to charge $6.50 to my card.

If this rumor is true, they'd have to just convert everyone's points to its equivalent cash value....it would be craaaaazy if they did anything else.
post #5531 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

So now that we're just around the bend....what is the one single thing you guys want from the nextbox? What would make you put down an instant preorder?

For my part, it'd have to be cross compatibility with PC. Tell me that anything I buy from XBL, I also get for Windows 8, and vice versa....and I'm sold.

I simply don't wanna have to get off my lazy ass and insert/change out a disc. Going disc-less(or at least having the option at a premium or something) would be enough to make it a slam dunk for me. It's like anything else-remote controls, smart phones, online ability to shop/pay bills, etc. Convenience and instant gratification ultimately always rule the day...
post #5532 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's designed to obscure the true cost of items....it's a classic trick, there's decades of research behind it. People will spend more when you abstract real money into tokens. Especially when it isn't a 1:1 ratio.

And then on top of that, you have to buy in blocks of 400, 800, etc....I have money in there I'll never be able to spend or cash out....multiple that by millions of people, and they're holding on to tens of millions of people's dollars.

If they want to sell a MS card at a discount, they can just sell a $50 card for $40, or whatever. If they want to have a rewards program, they can just gift dollars and cents into your account. None of that stuff requires an abstract currency.

It's nothing more than a scheme to trick and force people into spending more money, honestly, I'm surprised its even legal.

I know, I know.....it's not a huge deal. But call a spade a spade....it's a deceptive practice, no one should defend it.

Even if it was currency people still would have money left over most likely because it was forgot about or they simply don't care. I still have $15 on my PS3 and it has sat their for about 2 years now. It has been 7 years and if the system was so shady then consumers should have been up in arms over it. Chuckie Cheese should have been on the Hill then for their practices with all those damn money to coins to tickets conversions lol.
post #5533 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

Even if it was currency people still would have money left over most likely because it was forgot about or they simply don't care. I still have $15 on my PS3 and it has sat their for about 2 years now. It has been 7 years and if the system was so shady then consumers should have been up in arms over it. Chuckie Cheese should have been on the Hill then for their practices with all those damn money to coins to tickets conversions lol.

MS is pretty good at pushing a few shady practices just far enough that most people just shrug and say "meh....whatever." I def give them credit where credit is due for being savvy enough to find that line and stay behind it.
post #5534 of 7006
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Originally Posted by rightintel View Post

I simply don't wanna have to get off my lazy ass and insert/change out a disc. Going disc-less(or at least having the option at a premium or something) would be enough to make it a slam dunk for me. It's like anything else-remote controls, smart phones, online ability to shop/pay bills, etc. Convenience and instant gratification ultimately always rule the day...

Yeah man, I'm with you. I'm done with swapping discs. If that means online activation or having to buy everything digitally....so be it. I like to have the discs on my shelf and all, but getting off my ass to change a disc for a game I already have installed....just not doing it anymore.
post #5535 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's designed to obscure the true cost of items....it's a classic trick, there's decades of research behind it. People will spend more when you abstract real money into tokens. Especially when it isn't a 1:1 ratio.

And then on top of that, you have to buy in blocks of 400, 800, etc....I have money in there I'll never be able to spend or cash out....multiple that by millions of people, and they're holding on to tens of millions of people's dollars.

If they want to sell a MS card at a discount, they can just sell a $50 card for $40, or whatever. If they want to have a rewards program, they can just gift dollars and cents into your account. None of that stuff requires an abstract currency.

It's nothing more than a scheme to trick and force people into spending more money, honestly, I'm surprised its even legal.

I know, I know.....it's not a huge deal. But call a spade a spade....it's a deceptive practice, no one should defend it.

I don't care if they get rid of the points system or not but I always lol when I hear people cry about these point systems like it's some kind of trickery. If you really want to, there are plenty of low cost items to spend those extra points on, and they tend to sell points in the same blocks as content. Ex. a Black Ops DLC pack is 1200 points. 800 + 400 = 1200. Done.
post #5536 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

I don't care if they get rid of the points system or not but I always lol when I hear people cry about these point systems like it's some kind of trickery. If you really want to, there are plenty of low cost items to spend those extra points on, and they tend to sell points in the same blocks as content. Ex. a Black Ops DLC pack is 1200 points. 800 + 400 = 1200. Done.

The points system is stupid and is most certainly trickery. I don't want to spend money just to use up my points. I want to pay the exact amount that I want to spend, nothing more.

You can give MS your money to hold all you want, but I'd prefer not to.
post #5537 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

The points system is stupid and is most certainly trickery. I don't want to spend money just to use up my points. I want to pay the exact amount that I want to spend, nothing more.

You can give MS your money to hold all you want, but I'd prefer not to.

Should have known a MS points comment would bring the ol' bucwylde out of his posting hiatus. It's not terribly hard to convert points to dollars and then buy the correct amount. If you're good maybe I'll buy you a calculator for Father's Day.
post #5538 of 7006
I love the points system because you can buy discounted points. I can get $50 worth of points for $42. $8 in free points is nothing to scoff at. Right now, Newegg is selling 2000 points for $20.

Amazon just implemented Amazon coins. same thing.
post #5539 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

I don't care if they get rid of the points system or not but I always lol when I hear people cry about these point systems like it's some kind of trickery. If you really want to, there are plenty of low cost items to spend those extra points on, and they tend to sell points in the same blocks as content. Ex. a Black Ops DLC pack is 1200 points. 800 + 400 = 1200. Done.

Imagine walking into a 7-11, buying a hot dog for $1.75, handing the cashier a five, and instead of giving you change, he tells he he'll just hold on to it for you until the next time you come in. Or that you're free to buy more stuff you don't want....but you're not getting that change, ever. And he'll only accept fives. Go ten cents over, and you need to drop another five.

You're seriously cool with that?
post #5540 of 7006
Imagine buying a $5 phone card, and having to pay $5 for it. Yeah, that's what buying MS points is like. And for all the **** MS takes for points, they also give free points away with their rewards and VIP programs. People want to bitch about having left over points, but no one says anything about getting free points for doing a two minute survey.
post #5541 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Imagine buying a $5 phone card, and having to pay $5 for it. Yeah, that's what buying MS points is like. And for all the **** MS takes for points, they also give free points away with their rewards and VIP programs. People want to bitch about having left over points, but no one says anything about getting free points for doing a two minute survey.

They aren't going to give me enough free points to make me want to keep the points system.
post #5542 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Imagine buying a $5 phone card, and having to pay $5 for it. Yeah, that's what buying MS points is like. And for all the **** MS takes for points, they also give free points away with their rewards and VIP programs. People want to bitch about having left over points, but no one says anything about getting free points for doing a two minute survey.

Sony just credits money into your account for stuff like that. Buy $40 worth of stuff, get $10 back etc. I just did a survey with them, it was for a drawing for a $50 credit....I'll take my chances with that over a measly quarter. Points aren't necessary to set up a loyalty program or give kickbacks.

Although it does sound less ridiculous to see that they've credited 20 points into your account instead of 25 cents. But that's what these token systems are all about....making you forget it's real value.
post #5543 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

Should have known a MS points comment would bring the ol' bucwylde out of his posting hiatus. It's not terribly hard to convert points to dollars and then buy the correct amount. If you're good maybe I'll buy you a calculator for Father's Day.

You know what else isn't hard? Seeing something is $10 and then putting in my credit card and paying $10.
post #5544 of 7006
So don't use the point system. Don't buy stuff on XBL. You'll take your chances at a possible $50, but won't take a quarter that is a sure thing. Plus it's more than that, you can still get points back on any purchase you make by being in the VIP program.
post #5545 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Sony just credits money into your account for stuff like that. Buy $40 worth of stuff, get $10 back etc. I just did a survey with them, it was for a drawing for a $50 credit....I'll take my chances with that over a measly quarter. Points aren't necessary to set up a loyalty program or give kickbacks.

Although it does sound less ridiculous to see that they've credited 20 points into your account instead of 25 cents. But that's what these token systems are all about....making you forget it's real value.

seriously, bd2003 thinks people are stupid. yeah, I buy something because it's $499 and not $500. O_o

Sony pretty much never sells discounted currency. It's one thing that's right with iTunes system in that you can buy discounted currency there.

every organization does deals on purchases. but with Microsoft points, you can basically double up on the deals with the points system.
post #5546 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I don't see how it was a "slimy" practice. In fact, there were a lot of times that you could find MS point cards on sale and save some money.

Yup, that is why I have always loved points. I can get them on sale all the time so every purchase feels like I am saving. That was before the Rewards benefits kicked where I am saving on every purchase.
post #5547 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

seriously, bd2003 thinks people are stupid. yeah, I buy something because it's $499 and not $500. O_o

Sony pretty much never sells discounted currency. It's one thing that's right with iTunes system in that you can buy discounted currency there.

every organization does deals on purchases. but with Microsoft points, you can basically double up on the deals with the points system.

I'm not calling anyone out personally, and I'd appreciate it if you did the same.

The psychology around pricing stuff ending in a 9 is like 100 years old. It's tried and true, very well researched.....it works.
post #5548 of 7006
I say you stand behind what you say. if you say it, stand behind it. if you don't believe in what you're saying, don't say it. that's not calling you out personally. it's basically paraphrasing you. there's research that says anything and everything. everything is right according to the research.
post #5549 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

I say you stand behind what you say. if you say it, stand behind it. if you don't believe in what you're saying, don't say it. that's not calling you out personally. it's basically paraphrasing you. there's research that says anything and everything. everything is right according to the research.

tongue.gif okay...
post #5550 of 7006
So because some people are too lazy to do basic math, MS using points is slimy? If you can't handle that kind of math, you might need somebody else to handle your finances. And as others have said, they even have discounts at time.
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