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post #5551 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

So because some people are too lazy to do basic math, MS using points is slimy? If you can't handle that kind of math, you might need somebody else to handle your finances. And as others have said, they even have discounts at time.

It think we just have to agree to disagree on this one. BD has some good points, but at the end of the day, everyone has formed their own opinion on XBL points. I think we can all agree that pricing points less then actual face value was a good marketing attempt to make things seem less expensive then they are. I doubt some MSFT execs thought pricing 400 MS points as $5 just made sense, it doesnt..... It's just a good marketing choice, just like pricing something $299 instead of $300. Whether you think it's slimy or not is an entirely personal opinion.

I just hope MSFT will start accepting bitcoins as currency!!!! ya, now that would be awesome. wink.gif
post #5552 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

So now that we're just around the bend....what is the one single thing you guys want from the nextbox? What would make you put down an instant preorder?

For my part, it'd have to be cross compatibility with PC. Tell me that anything I buy from XBL, I also get for Windows 8, and vice versa....and I'm sold.

I agree. It's one of the cooler aspects of the Vita. I like the "buy PS3 game, get Vita game for free". Offer that on Win8, make them cross-play compatible, and it's even better. Also, the rumor of the mini 360 that will connect to the Durango to offer BC is very attractive to me. It lets me keep my Live Arcade library active which is more important to me than disc games atm. I'll keep my current 360 and move it to the bedroom for disc games but Arcade games I'd like to be able to play whereever. I'd take the BC over the cross play though to be honest.
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

So because some people are too lazy to do basic math, MS using points is slimy? If you can't handle that kind of math, you might need somebody else to handle your finances. And as others have said, they even have discounts at time.

I think it's slimy because it's geared to always make you buy more points than you need. You always have a points left over because of the miss match between price of what you buy (combo of a game, avatar, dlc, etc.) and the amount of points you can purchase. I don't care for it and hopefully they follow the steam model.
Edited by pcweber111 - 5/15/13 at 11:27am
post #5553 of 7006
I do agree that if you have left over points you should be able to get them refunded. Or have the option to spend the exact amount of points needed to buy something. I still don't think it is slimy with how it is, just not a perfect system.

The usage of points instead of $'s isn't slimy and has actually worked to the advantage of consumers with the deals on cards. So 1600 is often less than $20.00..

I still prefer straight $'s used like on the PSN and having discounts directly on games/content.
post #5554 of 7006
Yeah you do have left over points at times, and then when you go to buy the next item you don't have to buy as many points. It balances out.
post #5555 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I do agree that if you have left over points you should be able to get them refunded. Or have the option to spend the exact amount of points needed to buy something. I still don't think it is slimy with how it is, just not a perfect system.

The usage of points instead of $'s isn't slimy and has actually worked to the advantage of consumers with the deals on cards. So 1600 is often less than $20.00..

I still prefer straight $'s used like on the PSN and having discounts directly on games/content.

Maybe slimy is too harsh a word. But it is intentionally deceptive, I think its fair to call them out on that.

Multiple people now have came out and said the points are a good thing, because you can buy often buy them at a discount.....but that's exactly the trick. It's easier to conceptualize getting points at a discount, because its not "real money". Harder to imagine getting a $20 card at a discount than a 1600 point card....but it's a distinction without a difference. That Sony seems to have chosen not to frequently sell their cards at a discount really has nothing to do with the currency they use.

Whether its points or money, either way you're just buying credit with them, that you'll never be able to cash out. But at least on the Sony/Valve side, you can charge exactly what you're buying to your card. Microsoft didnt need to drop the points system to follow suit, they could have just prorated the points. But if this rumor is true, they must have gotten enough complaints about it, that they're ditching the idea entirely. So good on them, if they follow through on it. Maybe there's hope they'll backtrack on some of their other questionable practices.
post #5556 of 7006
I think they could be changing for other reasons. If it were due to complaints, well the systems been out for over half a decade.. That would be a pretty slow response time to complaints.
post #5557 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I think they could be changing for other reasons. If it were due to complaints, well the systems been out for over half a decade.. That would be a pretty slow response time to complaints.

What other reason could there be?
post #5558 of 7006
It may have to do with whatever apps they are going to add. If they add something that you can use to order anything, it would make sense to just use regular money. This may be a bit of a stretch, but that was one of the things that popped in my head when I saw this rumor a while back.
post #5559 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I think they could be changing for other reasons. If it were due to complaints, well the systems been out for over half a decade.. That would be a pretty slow response time to complaints.

The points ystem has been out alot longer than that. Remember XBL points were used on the original Xbox which launched 13 years ago and XBL has been around since summer 2001 beta.

Me thinks they are changing it, simply because its alot easier for a consumer to spend an amount that is equal to cash. Remember consoles arent just for gaming anymore.. they do social media, surf the internet, access premium cable channels & subscriptions, PPV events, sports packages, movies, music, DVR functions, etc. At some point it becomes increasingly difficult for the consumer to figure out how much money a digitally downloadable item costs using the points system. And that only serves to drive consumers away. How much does a game cost? A map pack? A movie? An HD movie? A MMA fight? NBA season package? A music album? Cash is just easier to make a decision on and while I never had a huge issue with points.. I applaud their decision.

I hope they offer ALL content as launch day available on the next gen. And that the price is stated in dollars and immediately payable with a credit card. Trust me, they will garner much more XBL marketplace transactions with this change. They will also be able to accept several more forms of payment, like Paypal, Google Wallet, Amazon Payments, etc.
post #5560 of 7006
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

What other reason could there be?

Apps, subscription services bundling, others that I'm not aware of. Just saying if it was due to complaints, they are ridiculously slow to act.
post #5561 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

It may have to do with whatever apps they are going to add. If they add something that you can use to order anything, it would make sense to just use regular money. This may be a bit of a stretch, but that was one of the things that popped in my head when I saw this rumor a while back.

They already charge regular money for the games on demand stuff, they've been mixing the two for years. So they have that capability already, that can't be it.

The complaints don't necessarily need to be from consumers....it could be pushback from partners, or market research data that says its turning people away, etc.
post #5562 of 7006
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

So because some people are too lazy to do basic math, MS using points is slimy? If you can't handle that kind of math, you might need somebody else to handle your finances. And as others have said, they even have discounts at time.

Why should I have to do math on points conversions when I am browsing the dash and see something I want to buy? Just because some of you are cheap and like to get deals on points doesn't mean it's a good system. I don't want to waste any time figuring up point amounts in comparison to real dollars.
Besides, these deals you get might not hit at the exact same time as there are things you want to buy on the dash or are for more points than you'll need. So here you are spending money to buy points to save them for the future when you *might* use them, or just part of them. Um, no. I like to keep my money and not give it to Microsoft until I get something in return.

How about operate like most other businesses and have real sales on things. The sales MS has on games and stuff are hardly ever real deals, and are often on really old stuff.
post #5563 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

The points ystem has been out alot longer than that. Remember XBL points were used on the original Xbox which launched 13 years ago and XBL has been around since summer 2001 beta...

Good point, I wasn't even factoring in the original Xbox. I'm with you, I think it is a good decision to go straight cash.
post #5564 of 7006
bucwylde, One thing I agree with you on is the sales that you mentioned in your last post. The sales they do on XBL are hardly sales. I wish I was really excited about Metro, because it is only like $43 on ps+. If I knew that I would play it, I would jump all over that. That will be an interesting thing moving forward. Will XBL continue to only give you access to multiplayer and apps, or will they start to take a page out of sony's book and start to offer free and highly discounted games?
post #5565 of 7006
still don't see outright removal of the points system. it was rumored to end at the beginning of 2012. then it was by the end of 2012. well, it's now 2013 and still no change. and yet companies like Coinstar continue to add the option to get point cards.



as long as you can have sales like with iTunes cards, it'll still be a good system if they switch to regular money. I also like that I can get cards at the store and not do any online transactions.
post #5566 of 7006
First they came for my MS points and I said nothing...
post #5567 of 7006
I see lots of posts bashing bd2003 for thinking the points system is bad. But not one person thinks changing is a bad idea. Why is that?
post #5568 of 7006
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

still don't see outright removal of the points system. it was rumored to end at the beginning of 2012. then it was by the end of 2012. well, it's now 2013 and still no change. and yet companies like Coinstar continue to add the option to get point cards.



as long as you can have sales like with iTunes cards, it'll still be a good system if they switch to regular money. I also like that I can get cards at the store and not do any online transactions.

Also isn't the cards usually the highest sold accessories each month over the past 6 years?
post #5569 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

I see lots of posts bashing bd2003 for thinking the points system is bad. But not one person thinks changing is a bad idea. Why is that?

There were several post saying they like the system that is currently in place. I am not sure how that does not translate to the same thing. There is no guarantee we will see the same deals on cash cards. If they make the change I will less likely to buy things unless I can get gift cards on sale with the same frequency.
Edited by spid - 5/16/13 at 6:41am
post #5570 of 7006
What if the content went on sale instead of the points?

I thought I read somewhere they were changing to be more consistent with the rest of the MS universe, where they use dollars instead of points.
post #5571 of 7006
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

What if the content went on sale instead of the points?

I thought I read somewhere they were changing to be more consistent with the rest of the MS universe, where they use dollars instead of points.

What do you mean? They have content on sale all the time.
post #5572 of 7006
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

There were several post saying they like the system that is currently in place. I am not show how that does not translate to the same thing. There is no guarantee we will see the same deals on cash cards. If they make the change I will less likely to buy things unless I can get gift cards on sale with the same frequency.

Why would there be any difference? It's not like it costs them less to print "1600 points" on the cards vs "$20". Neither has intrinsic cash value, it's completely arbitrary store credit, for digital goods that can't be resold.

I mean, I guess you could make a case that they'd pull in less money overall if they moved to exact credit card payments, because they wouldn't be able to bank all the unspent points in that case.....but that wouldn't apply to the prepaid cards.
post #5573 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

What do you mean? They have content on sale all the time.

The sales are generally said to not be very good sales. If they started having better sales, would that be acceptable? I do not buy downloads so I am not too aware of what does go on sale.
post #5574 of 7006
Something stinks. Are we about to get hit with a stink bomb? biggrin.gif


http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/15/ea-online-pass-ends/

EA has announced it will discontinue its Online Pass program. "Yes, we're discontinuing Online Pass," EA's senior director of corporate communications John Reseburg told GamesBeat in an e-mail. "None of our new EA titles will include that feature."

Reseburg added that "many players didn't respond to the format," despite EA going on record months after instituting Online Passes, reporting it had not seen a "significant" backlash. "We've listened to the feedback and decided to do away with it moving forward."

The Online Pass, a one-time use code required for online play, was first introduced in 2010 with the intent of being exclusive to EA Sports games, though it quickly escalated from there. Online Pass revenue generated between $10-$15 million for EA in its first year alone.
post #5575 of 7006
It could be because they were voted the worst company. Never affected me anyway since I buy all my games new.
post #5576 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

Something stinks. Are we about to get hit with a stink bomb? biggrin.gif

well, maybe the online pass will be redundant on the next Xbox and PS4 since both will have the option to block used games at the publisher's discretion.
post #5577 of 7006
The only reason I have extra points in my account, is because all of the FREAKING FREE POINTS I GET! biggrin.gif

Seriously, with bing rewards linked to me and my wife's hotmail accounts I've deposited $40 in free points since march. I got $30 in quarters from my bank and took advantage of the Coinstar deal shown in the post above...$10 free (plus one of the quarter rolls had an extra quarter...score!).

I don't think these types of deals will still happen if they go to a strictly $$ system, so I hope the points system sticks around. Maybe they can just use both systems?
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

So now that we're just around the bend....what is the one single thing you guys want from the nextbox? What would make you put down an instant preorder?

Backwards compatibility, especially with my digital stuff, would ensure that I buy at launch.
Edited by rdethloff - 5/16/13 at 5:50am
post #5578 of 7006
The original purpose of points was for small time purchases. Such as buying a 80 point shirt or a 10 point bumper in Need for Speed. Transaction they didn't want to run through visa/mastercard/what-have-you
post #5579 of 7006
Well I hope they keep the ability to purchase "cards" that have a specific value for transactions. Not sure how many of you have kids/relatives that are young, but it's so much easier to buy a card and gift it than to attempt to do a whole visa card/ get on their console and pay with my card etc... Grandparents can easily gift the cards etc... I never had a problem because kids are always wanting points.
post #5580 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

What do you mean? They have content on sale all the time.

There has never been a sale that was any good that I can remember. And if they were any good, it was on REALLY old content that no one was buying anymore anyways. Discount the market items like a REAL sale, and take real money. Then we can talk.

Sounds like it's only people who do all the stupid surveys and other time wasters to get free points that really like the point system.
Edited by bucwylde23 - 5/16/13 at 10:55am
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