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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I think they're killing the family plan, not sure on the details of that though. But they did say something about your kid no longer needing a second gold sub to play.

As far as Sony goes, the way they do it is just let you authorize consoles. You used to be able to download games to 5 PS3s and people would set up extensive trading networks and share games, really abuse it. So now its down to two. I don't think there's any nonsense with people logging in and out - if its an authorized console, it can play the games with any account.

So they're both flexible in their own way, for a household of 4 consoles, neither is really perfect for you. Hopefully there's some way for you to make it work.

according to the three XBOX people I spoke with, they are not allowing NEW Family Plan accounts. If you have the family plan, you get to keep it. put it on auto renew and for a 100 bucks I have 4 gold accounts.
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

There was some article about the xbox live system. If you have 2 different tags, each one can use the same live subscription. So that is a benefit. I think the xblive subscription might be tied to hardware now. That's why there is no more family plan.

Tied to hardware?
post #6363 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

It has been proven over and over the highest end graphics don't sale consoles., See Crysis 3 and Killzone.

Who are you talking to? Who was discussing sales?
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Originally Posted by cubdenno View Post

according to the three XBOX people I spoke with, they are not allowing NEW Family Plan accounts. If you have the family plan, you get to keep it. put it on auto renew and for a 100 bucks I have 4 gold accounts.

Yeah, I think they're keeping it around for now cause the x1 isn't out yet. They seem to have realized asking everyone in the family to cough up to play MP was asking too much, but who knows how exactly their new gold sub will work.

Going forward it looks like the disc simply isn't going to be treated as any evidence of ownership, its all about accounts and licenses. For a single person with multiple xboxes, it should make life easier. For a family sharing a single Xbox, probably not too difficult. For a large family of gamers, where anyone could potentially want to play any game on any box....that's not going to be as simple as it used to be.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

And another thing, I don't get all this hate for people on this board about it needing to check in once a day. I can understand military people being worried, because they don't have internet all the time. But if you are posting on here, you obviously have internet, People bring up vacation, but why the hell would you take a console on vacation. It's a vacation, you should actually get your ass outside and do stuff. When I go on vacation, I am there with my family to have a good time, not to fire up a game I can wait a week for.

It's interesting you bring up the vacation thing, because I would say that is the one area where this would really affect me. Here is the thing, normally my family will rent a cabin for a 10 day vacation each year. The cabin does have electricity, but there is no internet. I would bring my Xbox 360 or PS3 for the "boring" times during the vacation. Sure, I'm not bringing it along, so that I can play games 8 hours per day while I'm on vacation. I bring it along for the few hours each day when nothing much is going on and I'm bored. I had no problem being totally offline with 360 and PS3, but it seems those days are over.

It's quite sad and depressing, but honestly, this issue is the least of my worries concerning these new consoles. My biggest worry is my rights as a consumer being stripped away, in regards to what I do with a physical game that I've purchased. Right now, with the Xbox 360 and PS3, I can go to craigslist, and find a guy locally that is selling a game that I want for a much cheaper price than the stores, and CONSIDERABLY cheaper than buying it used at GameStop. I can go to Ebay, and buy or sell my game without having to partake in the whole GameStop ecosystem.

If they still allow me to trade in, or buy used games at GameStop, that does NOTHING for me. Reason being, I don't trade my old games in for pennies on the dollar, and I don't buy my used games for 5 dollars off the retail price. If I'm buying a used game, I'm buying it off Craigslist or Ebay at a SIGNIFICANT discount over what I would be paying for the same used game at GameStop, and I'm selling the game on Ebay or Craigslist for 10 times more "cash" than GameStop would give me in their store credit.

I honestly would love to see GameStop out of business. I have no problem with them going down in flames.

I have a HUGE problem with me not being able to buy and sell via Craigslist and Ebay, with no middle man being involved whatsoever (ok, so yeah, Ebay and Paypal is a middle man, but you get the point)
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Here's an interesting take on the used games:

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-death-of-used-games-and-control-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the
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Listen to what Harrison told Kotaku. “We will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online,” he said. What that likely means is that you’ll be able to trade your license for… something. Microsoft points, or credit towards another game, and Microsoft will simply remove the license from your account. Think about it this way: No used game is created from this scenario, it’s simply a license that is cancelled. That changes everything.

Based on this information, it sounds like you’ll be able to “sell” your used games, but no one except Microsoft will buy able to buy them. Microsoft becomes the entity that controls the entirety of the transaction, and no lower-priced tier of “used games” is ever created in this scenario. They simply give you some amount of something in exchange for turning off your license, while anyone who wants to play the game still has to pay full price.

Major Nelson's statement above seems to say that this system will somehow work at retail as well, but that doesn't mean GameStop isn't utterly boned in this scenario; they care about selling used games much more than they care about taking them in. The GameStop model only works if they get to pay you a low price for games they sell at a higher price. Microsoft's strategy seems to break that model in two. You buy every game “new” from Microsoft.

Just because you can trade in games at retail (GameStop).....doesn't necessarily have to mean a used game comes out of that. You could just get store credit to spend towards new games....cause there's no longer any other type of game. Ultimately all that will matters is the license, and that only comes from Microsoft.

GameStop still stands to benefit in many ways. Being able to trade in games keeps people coming into the store. And they will probably never have to worry about shortages, or over-ordering. They can just print the licenses and boxes on demand, they don't need to buy individual games anymore. They can even burn the discs if they have to, no need for copy protection anymore. The only time they ever need to pay for a game to resell....is when one actually sells, because the actual disc has no value. Store theft becomes impossible, return abuse....what returns?
Edited by bd2003 - 5/23/13 at 11:07am
post #6367 of 7006
I've seen some people call it XO, much better than XBone, reading it X BONE is just weird lol.
post #6368 of 7006
I don't know Microsoft has done everything except disavowing Phil Harrison's and sending him out to Gulaag. I would say the smart thing is to just wait and see when they roll it out completely. Of course it is Microsoft's fault for not spelling it out now instead of waiting.
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So we're calling this XBone, right?
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, I think they're keeping it around for now cause the x1 isn't out yet. They seem to have realized asking everyone in the family to cough up to play MP was asking too much, but who knows how exactly their new gold sub will work.

Going forward it looks like the disc simply isn't going to be treated as any evidence of ownership, its all about accounts and licenses. For a single person with multiple xboxes, it should make life easier. For a family sharing a single Xbox, probably not too difficult. For a large family of gamers, where anyone could potentially want to play any game on any box....that's not going to be as simple as it used to be.

How is this any different than today with disc? I have three 360s now, I have one disc. I will have 3 Xbox Ones and installed it on all 3 systems. It can only be played on one system at a time. How is it not as simple as it used to be? If I want to play Horde Mode with my wife and I in our bedroom and my kids in the living room I need another disc. If I want to do 3 monitors on Forza 4 I have to buy 3 disc for each 360. It is the same for the One only it is now installed without needing the disc. How is this not simple?
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I just think it's funny MS made a big deal out of officially licensing or whatever those $300 Warhead headsets which will apparently not work with the new system. LOL, at least you got like a year out of them, sucker! Now here, by these NEW official MS approved cans made special for the xBONE, $349. Look they have cool COD Ghosts graphics on the side!
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

How is this any different than today with disc? I have three 360s now, I have one disc. I will have 3 Xbox Ones and installed it on all 3 systems. It can only be played on one system at a time. How is it not as simple as it used to be? If I want to play Horde Mode with my wife and I in our bedroom and my kids in the living room I need another disc. If I want to do 3 monitors on Forza 4 I have to buy 3 disc for each 360. It is the same for the One only it is now installed without needing the disc. How is this not simple?

Exactly. Sounds like it will be more simple because now you don't have to go grab the disc from the other room to play it.
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

How is this any different than today with disc? I have three 360s now, I have one disc. I will have 3 Xbox Ones and installed it on all 3 systems. It can only be played on one system at a time. How is it not as simple as it used to be? If I want to play Horde Mode with my wife and I in our bedroom and my kids in the living room I need another disc. If I want to do 3 monitors on Forza 4 I have to buy 3 disc for each 360. It is the same for the One only it is now installed without needing the disc. How is this not simple?

Your wife must be freaky. No way my wife is letting me put something with an always on camera/mic in our bedroom.
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So what happens a decade down the road when new retail Xbone games aren't sold anymore, and the used games out there can't be played because the original publisher went kaput and Microsoft kills off the activation service due to end of life/lack of interest/because we said so
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Originally Posted by RemoWilliams84 View Post

Your wife must be freaky. No way my wife is letting me put something with an always on camera/mic in our bedroom.

LOL my wife isn't paranoid either. She is actually sitting here laughing at what some people say when it comes to the camera and mic. We have Kinect in our Bedroom and use it mainly for voice commands. I got a free one during the beta otherwise I wouldn't bother. With the new system and better features I am looking forward to it and the same privacy settings today are available on the new one.
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

How is this any different than today with disc? I have three 360s now, I have one disc. I will have 3 Xbox Ones and installed it on all 3 systems. It can only be played on one system at a time. How is it not as simple as it used to be? If I want to play Horde Mode with my wife and I in our bedroom and my kids in the living room I need another disc. If I want to do 3 monitors on Forza 4 I have to buy 3 disc for each 360. It is the same for the One only it is now installed without needing the disc. How is this not simple?

Because the disc will no longer be proof of ownership. It's tied to the hardware and or the account. Buy a game on your living room Xbox, with your account. Your account can launch it on any box. Your kids can only play it in the living room. If they log in to your account to play it in their bedrooms, you can't play ANYTHING on ANY box.

Now start purchasing different games, on different accounts, on different boxes. You see how this quickly becomes a nightmare? Tag A purchases game 1 on box X. Tag B purchases game 2 on box Y. Tag C purchases game 3 on box Z.

Tag C can't play game 2 on box X or Z, but they can play it on Y. But not if tag B is playing any game on box Z. If tag A wants to play game 3 on box Z, tag B and C can only play game 1 on box X, or game 2 on box Y. I think? I've been staring at this for 5 minutes and I'm still not sure I've got it right. It's a ****ing nightmare.

Before it is "if you have the disc, you can play the game". Simple.
Edited by bd2003 - 5/23/13 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

How is this any different than today with disc? I have three 360s now, I have one disc. I will have 3 Xbox Ones and installed it on all 3 systems. It can only be played on one system at a time. How is it not as simple as it used to be? If I want to play Horde Mode with my wife and I in our bedroom and my kids in the living room I need another disc. If I want to do 3 monitors on Forza 4 I have to buy 3 disc for each 360. It is the same for the One only it is now installed without needing the disc. How is this not simple?

You have to setup Your account access on those devices, which not everyone wants to do. E.g you don't want your friend to mess with your account or even family members in the same house, your brother could easily log into your account and screw you over just for kicks.
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man mboo, do you work for MS, why are you so defensive??

also if there was a kinect in my bedroom, my wife would ask, why do you keep getting ads for "natural male enhancement"?
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If they log in to your account to play it in their bedrooms, you can't play ANYTHING on ANY box.

would this even be possible with Kinect face recognition?

"Sorry little Timmy, you can't play on your dad's account"
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Originally Posted by coyote_5 View Post

So we're calling this XBone, right?

Quick twitter search seconds and thirds and fourths the motion.
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

You have to setup Your account access on those devices, which not everyone wants to do. E.g you don't want your friend to mess with your account or even family members in the same house, your brother could easily log into your account and screw you over just for kicks.

Are you not aware you can now put a passcode or even requiring yourself to put your windows password in order to use your account. None of my kids can access my account because I have a passcode lock on each system. Even at my parents house I have a passcode lock on their 360 because my account is on the cloud. If your profile(not the hardware) on the One is the primary owner of the account you can go to any system and authorize other users to access the game. They have already said this was the case. How many? We don't know. For the family account you had the ability to control content to the other profiles from the primary account.
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

man mboo, do you work for MS, why are you so defensive??

also if there was a kinect in my bedroom, my wife would ask, why do you keep getting ads for "natural male enhancement"?

Because I am simply responding to what has already been verified or is incorrect makes me defensive? I work with Microsoft through the Air Force. I don't think that means I work for Microsoft lol. Some people don't have all the info and some post have questions to what they are saying. I am just simply participating in the discussion.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Because the disc will no longer be proof of ownership. It's tied to the hardware and or the account. Buy a game on your living room Xbox, with your account. Your account can launch it on any box. Your kids can only play it in the living room. If they log in to your account to play it in their bedrooms, you can't play ANYTHING on ANY box.

Now start purchasing different games, on different accounts, on different boxes. You see how this quickly becomes a nightmare? Tag A purchases game 1 on box X. Tag B purchases game 2 on box Y. Tag C purchases game 3 on box Z.

Tag C can't play game 2 on box X or Z, but they can play it on Y. But not if tag B is playing any game on box Z. If tag A wants to play game 3 on box Z, tag B and C can only play game 1 on box X, or game 2 on box Y. I think? I've been staring at this for 5 minutes and I'm still not sure I've got it right. It's a ****ing nightmare.

Before it is "if you have the disc, you can play the game". Simple.

LMAO you got me confused with all of that.
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

Are you not aware you can now put a passcode or even requiring yourself to put your windows password in order to use your account. None of my kids can access my account because I have a passcode lock on each system. Even at my parents house I have a passcode lock on their 360 because my account is on the cloud. If your profile(not the hardware) on the One is the primary owner of the account you can go to any system and authorize other users to access the game. They have already said this was the case. How many? We don't know. For the family account you had the ability to control content to the other profiles from the primary account.
Wouldn't that mean you can run the game from multiple consoles at the same time since it doesn't require the main account to be active to access the game as long as it's set as primary in said consoles? Unless there's a limit to the times you can set your account as primary on different machines.
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Here's another good one: you buy the kids a game to share for Xmas. Say they share a bedroom with an Xbox, in addition to the living room one. If one kid installs the game under their tag in one room, the other kid can't play the game by himself in the other room. If daddy installs it in the living room, neither kid can play it in the bedroom while dad is using the Xbox one for watching TV in the living room. If daddy installs it for the kids in the bedroom, neither kid can play it in the living room at all.

Sigh.
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Originally Posted by coyote_5 View Post

So we're calling this XBone, right?

uggg. I vote we shame people calling this "XBone" on AVS. I don't know if it's an intentional slam, but it comes across the same as using "M$".

Xbox One, Xone, X1, XB1 all seem fine. If no one agrees, I'll shut up and be annoyed quietly.
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I think it is smart to take a look at the current Xbox 360 DRM. I am snipping some of the points I think we run into with the new system
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How does the Xbox 360 console use licenses?

When you try to use a protected game, video, or add-in, the Xbox 360 console checks whether you have a valid license for that piece of content. If the license allows you to use the content, the Xbox 360 console plays the content or allows use of the add-in.

If the Xbox 360 console doesn’t find a valid license for the content or if the license doesn't permit you to perform the action, your Xbox 360 console won't perform the action. Typically, you receive an error message that states why the action wasn't performed.


What is a "roaming" Xbox 360 console?

The term “roaming” refers to using content that you purchased on one Xbox 360 console (say, console A) on another Xbox 360 console (say, console B). For example, you might download a game from the Xbox LIVE Games Store to console A, and then attach the hard drive that contains that game to console B. When you attach the hard drive to console B and sign in to Xbox LIVE, you can play the game without any restrictions.

Note For such roaming to be allowed, you must be connected to Xbox LIVE by using the profile that purchased the content so the license to the content can be verified.

Can I transfer content from one Xbox LIVE account to another?

No. Content licenses are stored in the Xbox 360 console rather than in the Xbox LIVE account.

To enable someone else's Xbox LIVE account to use your content licenses, you must download your Xbox LIVE profile and then transfer your content licenses to that person's Xbox 360 console.

To download your Xbox LIVE profile to a different Xbox 360 console, see Download, move, or delete your Xbox LIVE profile.
To transfer a content license from one Xbox 360 console to another, see Can I transfer a content license from one Xbox 360 console to another?

After you've downloaded your Xbox LIVE profile and transferred your content licenses to another Xbox 360 console, the content can be used by all the profiles on that console.


http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live/marketplace-and-purchasing/download-content
Edited by spid - 5/23/13 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

uggg. I vote we shame people calling this "XBone" on AVS. I don't know if it's an intentional slam, but it comes across the same as using "M$".

Xbox One, Xone, X1, XB1 all seem fine. If no one agrees, I'll shut up and be annoyed quietly.

i don't think we really have a choice, the internet as a whole will "dictate" what the new xbox will be called.....
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Here's another good one: you buy the kids a game to share for Xmas. Say they share a bedroom with an Xbox, in addition to the living room one. If one kid installs the game under their tag in one room, the other kid can't play the game by himself in the other room. If daddy installs it in the living room, neither kid can play it in the bedroom while dad is using the Xbox one for watching TV in the living room. If daddy installs it for the kids in the bedroom, neither kid can play it in the living room at all.

Sigh.

I don't think that is how it works. It can only be played on one console at a time, the exact same way it works today, only now you don't have to move the disc from console to console.
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

uggg. I vote we shame people calling this "XBone" on AVS. I don't know if it's an intentional slam, but it comes across the same as using "M$".

Xbox One, Xone, X1, XB1 all seem fine. If no one agrees, I'll shut up and be annoyed quietly.

I am ignoring post that have "XBone" in them. There is nothing intelligent contained within.
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