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post #6811 of 7006
I absolutely hate the kinect crap. I don't want it on. Hell, if its required to always be on, I worry that you can't disable it. I play in my living room and don't want people to have to hear my kids or wife.
post #6812 of 7006
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

I just don't see how some of you can actually claim gaming is one of your hobbies as much bitchiing and whining and paranoid speculation some of you go on with. Some of what you type just sounds like you all are down right depressing to be around.
Being a fan of gaming is not the same thing as being a fan of a console manufacturer. I'm not a fan of consoles. But I love games.
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Originally Posted by pennhunter View Post

I think Microsoft is trying to line up as many used game retailers as they can right now that will go along with their plan before they announce anything. They will get numerous retailers to agree to this so when they announce it they have a huge list of places where you can buy used games. My guess is they will somehow use the gift card/MS points card authorization system in some way. They will use the system to deactivate the game when traded in and reactivate it when it is resold.
Judging by the Gamestop CEO's response after the Xbone announcement, MS blind-sided used game retailers. They were just as surprised as we all were. No one thought that MS would go for the "nuclear option."
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Personally I think that there'll be a healthy market for accessories which cover the Kinect sensors, rendering the device blind and deaf. If I buy an XBOne I'd be first in line to buy one and I really don't care how paranoid that makes me seem.

The question is how much will the system insist that it be operative? Will it have to be able to see and hear if I'm just in the dashboard or even in an app that I can completely control with a pad or remote?
All internet connections on all devices are already "watching" us. Either you're cool with this, or you're not. It's a part of our daily lived experience. Kinect won't change that. I'm not paranoid, so that's not the part that bothers me.

My problem with it is that I just want to play games. I don't want to have to deal with a bunch of BS that gets between me and playing games. I hated the big NXE change that happened a couple years ago with the 360 OS. Absolutely flooded with ads and promos. Adding insult to injury, MS charges us for online play. Not long after the NXE switchover, I canceled my XBL sub because I just want to play games. And MS is continuing in this direction by making it even more of a pain just to play games. It truly boggles my mind that so many people are okay with this.
post #6813 of 7006
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Also, wish lists are very different than buying. I have maxed out my saved cart list of things I want to eventually buy. Many have been on there for years...

I have several things in my wish list that I bought years ago and I am too lazy to remove, other things I will never buy but won't remove for the same reason. I still have the Wii U on my list for example. I think Skyrim is still on there too.
post #6814 of 7006
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Also, wish lists are very different than buying. I have maxed out my saved cart list of things I want to eventually buy. Many have been on there for years...

Agreed but at the same time for all the negativity and everyone talking about how bad the intro was for the new system just days ago that people are going out their way to get on their phone, tablet and computer to a website to put this item in their wish list. But who knows, maybe like Tyrant said about the books MS and Sony have employees logging in to their accounts to beef up wish list request with them both at number 1 and 4.
post #6815 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

Go ahead and give me a tin foil hat as well, because I can guarantee you that I'm going to disable the turn on by voice feature, and my Kinect is going to be facing my TV instead of my Sofa whenever I'm playing a non Kinect game. When I actually want to play a Kinect game (which will be rare), then i'll actually turn the thing around and have it facing the sofa. Also, when my xbox is in stand by mode, I'll probably have a small black cloth that will be draped over the Kinect just as an extra precaution.

Call me paranoid all you want.

I'm sorry, but I just don't trust megalithic corporations to do the "right thing".

Then do not buy the product. If you have to do all of that to have it your home then save yourself the grief. It is a game console. It is not mandatory. It is completely optional.

If you do not trust the company that has a box in your house for decades if you count the PC. A company that could have listened to every conversation you ever had on Live. The same company that probably knows your home phone, address, credit card number, and whole host of other facts about you.

This is not about drinking Koolaid. This is a game console. And I do not mean to single you out, but if you do think they will do the "right thing" then don't buy their product.

Let me be clear in saying I do think Microsoft should give options to the consumer on the usage of Kinect. They give you options now so for me that is not that big of a concern for me.
Edited by spid - 5/25/13 at 5:32pm
post #6816 of 7006
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

This is how you sell "licenses"

http://www.humblebundle.com/weekly (Alan Wake PC, pay what you want)

I'm not against licensing per say, but the cost needs to reflect the demand and time after release. Publishers pushing these DRM schemes on licensing aren't doing it for customers, but to control and monopolize pricing. They know licenses will have to be sold for cheaper unless they have a iron grip over how and what consumers can do with them.

Unfortunately I don't think smart pricing like above in the cards for consoles and console publishers.

There's a difference between price and cost. The only "smart pricing" is pricing it at whatever people are WILLING to pay. MS is doing the licensing thing because the overwhelming majority of their customers' demand for the product outweighs their dislike for the licensing structure. Like it or hate it, at the end of the day, that's the bottom line. Don't get me wrong, I get your concerns. However, I think it's highly unlikely the majority of their customers share those same concerns. It's like the old saying, "no one's putting a gun to your head". We ultimately dictate w/ our wallets whether or not their structure will be profitable. It 's not that you're a fanboy/love/approve of MS(or any other large successful corp.), just that you really want the product/service they provide. I've no loyalty whatsoever to any company. If the PS4(or whatever) winds up being a better deal for me as a consumer, I'm there. My only true loyalty(as a consumer) is to my hard-earned money.
Edited by rightintel - 5/25/13 at 5:44pm
post #6817 of 7006
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

All internet connections on all devices are already "watching" us. Either you're cool with this, or you're not. It's a part of our daily lived experience. Kinect won't change that. I'm not paranoid, so that's not the part that bothers me.

Thing is most of that data collection is known and requires some acknowledgement on our part. Even if plenty don't understand the TOS or breath of whats being done.

A passive system that will listen in on and record your kids in a family room is a bit different. Siri at least needs you to turn her on/prompt her, and she isn't spying on people not directly using her. While kinect apparently needs to be plugged in to work, hopefully MS is smart and allows it to be completely disabled. Otherwise they'll be one concern troll news story away from parents going apocalyptic of a camera spying on junior.
post #6818 of 7006
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

All internet connections on all devices are already "watching" us. Either you're cool with this, or you're not. It's a part of our daily lived experience. Kinect won't change that. I'm not paranoid, so that's not the part that bothers me.

That's certainly true that your Internet activity is snooped, but I don't have a web cam on my computer or a permanently mounted microphone; it's in my bedroom but I wouldn't want that even if it were in my living room. No matter what privacy mechanisms MS puts in place on Kinect there is no computer system which cannot or will not eventually be hacked, if only for the fun of it. (Wouldn't it be a coup for some hacker to produce pictures or videos of random people using Xboxes taken without their knowledge or permission? Imagine the embarrassment for MS biggrin.gif). I can't imagine why anyone would want to see me or anyone I might be entertaining my bedroom but I'd really much rather that it not be possible. If I decide to buy an XBOne I'll at the very least have it plugged into a remote control outlet and essentially unplug it when not in use.
post #6819 of 7006
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Thing is most of that data collection is known and requires some acknowledgement on our part. Even if plenty don't understand the TOS or breath of whats being done.

A passive system that will listen in on and record your kids in a family room is a bit different. Siri at least needs you to turn her on/prompt her, and she isn't spying on people not directly using her. While kinect apparently needs to be plugged in to work, hopefully MS is smart and allows it to be completely disabled. Otherwise they'll be one concern troll news story away from parents going apocalyptic of a camera spying on junior.
I get what you're saying, but it's such a small tweak to an already deeply embedded and highly sophisticated system of marketing surveillance. Reminds me a lot of the scene from Futurama when Fry sees a commercial for Lightspeed Briefs in his dreams:

Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 20th century?

Fry: Well, sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines and movies and at ball games and on buses and milk cartons and T-shirts and written in the sky. But not in dreams. No, sir-ee!

In other words, we already live in the midst of widespread surveillance by marketing firms. I'm all for reducing the degree to which we're surveilled, but this is such small potatoes compared to the larger picture. Which is part of the reason why I refuse to pay for XBL service. I opt out completely rather than worry about some relatively tiny incursion like video footage. I find the whole XBL thing unnecessarily invasive, not just that minor addition.
Edited by confidenceman - 5/25/13 at 7:15pm
post #6820 of 7006
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

I get what you're saying, but it's such a small tweak to an already deeply embedded and highly sophisticated system of marketing surveillance. Reminds me a lot of the scene from Futurama when Fry sees a commercial for Lightspeed Briefs in his dreams:

Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 20th century?

Fry: Well, sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines and movies and at ball games and on buses and milk cartons and T-shirts and written in the sky. But not in dreams. No, sir-ee!

In other words, we already live in the midst of widespread surveillance by marketing firms. I'm all for reducing the degree to which we're surveilled, but this is such small potatoes compared to the larger picture. Which is part of the reason why I refuse to pay for XBL service. I opt out completely rather than worry about some relatively tiny incursion like video footage. I find the whole XBL thing unnecessarily invasive, not just that minor addition.

How much is too much? Should we have cameras on 24/7 in every room of every home? It is just a little tweak from Xbone. Instead of MS, we can have it be run by Google because they are cooler and already own much of the internet surveillance.
post #6821 of 7006
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

How much is too much? Should we have cameras on 24/7 in every room of every home? It is just a little tweak from Xbone. Instead of MS, we can have it be run by Google because they are cooler and already own much of the internet surveillance.
That's my point. It's already too much. This is just icing. I just find it strange that this is what bothers people, not the dozens of other invasive marketing tactics that MS has introduced to XBL over the past five years. Anyhow, I agree. It's gross.
post #6822 of 7006
I honestly do not know what else MS does because I stopped paying for live a long time ago when they refused to remove my credit card from their system until I complained to the BBB. I know you can buy cards but I just did not have the stomach for them anymore. I buy all my cross platform games on the PS3 with just the exclusives for 360. I was going to buy the PS4 and Xbone but it looks like I will be sitting out for a bit or maybe just the PS4 this year. I have a Fanatec wheel I bought which will also hold me back to this gen for a bit as I am in no hurry to replace it unless it breaks. Maybe they will come up with an adapter though. I do not need it to be wireless since it is a wheel.
post #6823 of 7006
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

I just find it strange that this is what bothers people, not the dozens of other invasive marketing tactics that MS has introduced to XBL over the past five years.

Because they don't do anything through XBL that we don't already suffer via use of web browsers. But web browsers can't record our faces or our vocal conversations (the conversations we have over e-mail or in online forums or IM, twitter, etc, but not our voices or images). It's possible that they could if we had cameras and microphones attached to our computers, but we can use web browsers without having those things attached, but not XBOne.
post #6824 of 7006
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

How many exclusive games did they announce for the PS4?

At least 4.

Killzone
Drive Club
Infamous 3
Knack

I don't know if Deep Down is supposed to be exclusive.
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

At least 4.

Killzone
Drive Club
Infamous 3
Knack

I don't know if Deep Down is supposed to be exclusive.
Deep Down is Capcom, so expect it to be on the Xbone, Wii U, 360 and PS3 as well. Of course, Deep Down really did seem like a tech demo for a next gen Dragon's Dogma. (Even if it is a spiritual successor since the ending would be hard to follow in any normal sequel) and if that is the case, multiple platforms is a given, just don't expect a PC version if the pawn system makes a return.
post #6826 of 7006
Thread Starter 



This is kinda funny. Notice how the snap close happens before he actually makes the hand movements, showing that everything was faked basically. No big surprise, because it's too critical of a demo to actually leave it up to chance.




My favorite gif so far, lol..

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

But web browsers can't record our faces or our vocal conversations (the conversations we have over e-mail or in online forums or IM, twitter, etc, but not our voices or images). It's possible that they could if we had cameras and microphones attached to our computers, but we can use web browsers without having those things attached, but not XBOne.

Exactamundo


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Edited by Anthony1 - 5/25/13 at 9:46pm
post #6827 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

People that don't understand why they can't just authenticate discs offline, if you loan a game to a friend and he doesn't go online, then how would if remove your ability to play? Basically several people could play a game while only person actually owns the game. This doesn't help publishers and developers. That's the reason for the need for online authentication.

People understand that. What people are saying and which you don't seem to understand is that they don't even need to implement this ability to start with. Just force the disc to have to be in the drive in order to play your installed game just like the Xbox 360. We don't need convenience so much as to lose control over our own disc in order to accomplish it.

For those that want the convenience of not having the disc and clearly don't value having the physical product, download your software. Instead, our discs are going to crippled because of this to appease people that don't care and would just as assume download their games anyways because they value the convenience more than any other factor.

They're just doing it anyways for $$$. It's a way to control your software library so you can't use it indefinitely and to continue to make money off discs after the initial point of sale. Being able to play your games without the disc in the drive is just how they're spinning it to present it as benefiting us to make people like you buy into it. And there's no way that the fee to activate a disc will be less than a new game since they don't want someone passing around a new $60 game to each friend that subsequently activates it for just $20 or some similar smaller fee.

So if anything, they're increasing the number of full priced sales here that they will receive with less physical product that they have to pay manufacture. And the only @!#?@! thing we get out of it is having to not insert a disc.
Edited by Leo_Ames - 5/26/13 at 3:27am
post #6828 of 7006
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Because they don't do anything through XBL that we don't already suffer via use of web browsers. But web browsers can't record our faces or our vocal conversations (the conversations we have over e-mail or in online forums or IM, twitter, etc, but not our voices or images). It's possible that they could if we had cameras and microphones attached to our computers, but we can use web browsers without having those things attached, but not XBOne.
But it's two different beasts. I turn on my 360 to play games. When I turn on my 360, those ads get in the way of my playing games. Worse, it's a closed system that doesn't allow any real level of customization. In contrast, when I turn on my laptop, not only am I doing any of a dozen different things (that may actually involve shopping), but I also regularly have various adblocker software and VPN connections operating because it's not a closed system. It may also be worth noting that I haven't had cable for almost twenty years for the sole reason that I hate the idea of paying to have advertising thrown in my face.

I'm under no illusions about surveillance in general on the internet. It's a heavily monitored space, but the in-your-face presence of MS's monitoring is far more viscerally intrusive on my 360 where all I want to do is play a game. As I said, I have a general philosophical problem with consumer surveillance. But I have a very specific beef with a console OS that slows me down from doing the one thing it is supposedly designed to do: let me play games. To me, that's a big difference. The one bothers me on a cosmic level, but the other bothers me on a much more immediate and practical level. So there's absolutely nothing about video surveillance that makes it any worse than it already is. Both suck and both piss me off.

Adding video into the equation can't make it any worse than it already is. MS crossed the line years ago. I refer you again to that awesome Futurama bit I cited above. wink.gif
Edited by confidenceman - 5/25/13 at 10:23pm
post #6829 of 7006
I gotta ask, how do the ads get in your way of gaming?
post #6830 of 7006
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

Adding video into the equation can't make it any worse than it already is. MS crossed the line years ago. I refer you again to that awesome Futurama bit I cited above. wink.gif

I really don't see how being assaulted by ads on video gaming consoles is any different from being assaulted by them on television or radio or the web or whatever. Ads are here and proliferating but advertising has always been here and it's not going anywhere. Using my web browsing habits in order to show me targeted ads is something that's also here to stay and there's very little to be done about it. AFAIK, the ads on my console have nothing to do with how I use the console; they're all over the place, advertising games, services and products that I am not and never will be interested in. I'm pretty sure that everyone gets the same ads on their Xbox no matter what they're personally into. If they monitor how I use my Xbox (and I have no doubt that they do or that Sony does monitor my use of my PS3) they don't seem to personalize the ads that they show me.

Ads on the Xbox in no way slow me down. Most of the time I don't even notice them; I turn on the machine and select Pins from the main page and then the game that I want to play or just press the A button if I want to play a game that's in the drive. When I'm done with my game I turn the machine off, usually without even going back to the dashboard.

But having a microphone and camera aimed into my bedroom is something unrelated in my mind. You're going on and on making an inane comparison of advertising to a true, visceral and unique invasion of my privacy. No one else is telling me that I have to have an always-on microphone and on-when-the-system-is-activated camera attached to a networked device even when I'm doing something for which I have no use for those devices. I can understand if they required me to connect that device if I wanted to use Skype or voice-and-gesture control, but I should have the choice not to connect it if I never want to use those things. Requiring Kinect to be connected to Xbox One in order to use it is just a bad idea, period, and will no doubt cost them a significant number of sales, possibly a sale to me. I know people who do not want the Xbox 360's version of Kinect in their home and who won't buy the Xbox One because it forces you have Kinect.
post #6831 of 7006
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confidenceman - For some reason, I always assumed that you were a hardcore Xbox supporter. Guess I was mistaken. Shows how easy it is to stereotype a poster into a specific camp, and end up very wrong.
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confidenceman - For some reason, I always assumed that you were a hardcore Xbox supporter. Guess I was mistaken. Shows how easy it is to stereotype a poster into a specific camp, and end up very wrong.
biggrin.gif I think that's a compliment considering that just a few pages back I was derided as a Sony fanboy.

Anyhow, I really couldn't care less about any particular console. As I've said, it used to be the case that the various platform holders were facilitators of great games. But through this past generation and into the next, they've increasingly become obstacles.

Maybe I'm just getting crankier in my old age, but I'd much rather just boot up a game and not have to deal with all the front-end nonsense (ads, videos, recommendations, achievements, friends lists, etc.) that gets pitched to us as part of a "service." I just want to turn on my machine and play a game. The console manufacturer that lets me do that wins.
Edited by confidenceman - 5/26/13 at 12:54am
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People keep saying about how it's fine if Microsoft can track you down since it's normal these days when it comes to the interwebz, but what about hackers? You gotta be kidding yourself if you think Microsoft are immune to being hacked.

What if your daughter has an Xbone and with a huge hack exploit people captured footage of her naked or whatever in her room? It's completely fine if the Kinect was optional, but the combination of forced online + required Kinect is too much, just make it optional!
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CNET: Kinect now needs to be on all the time. But there are obviously some people who say "I don't want this camera in my living room."

Henshaw: If you want privacy, we'll give you modes that ensure your privacy. And we actually have a little bit about this on the Web already. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It's not the case where you'll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you'll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can't see you.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57585620-75/microsoft-talks-xbox-one-naming-privacy-and-more-q-a/

This is the Kinect privacy policy the guy was talking about

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/kinect/privacyandonlinesafety
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/consumers_go_crazy_for_wii_u_following_xbox_one_reveal

Microsoft's conference helped everyone but themselves lol

As joked about on other forums, WiiU sales increased from 13 units per month to 15 units. 15% increase!!!!
post #6836 of 7006
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

Being a fan of gaming is not the same thing as being a fan of a console manufacturer. I'm not a fan of consoles. But I love games.
Judging by the Gamestop CEO's response after the Xbone announcement, MS blind-sided used game retailers. They were just as surprised as we all were. No one thought that MS would go for the "nuclear option."
All internet connections on all devices are already "watching" us. Either you're cool with this, or you're not. It's a part of our daily lived experience. Kinect won't change that. I'm not paranoid, so that's not the part that bothers me.

My problem with it is that I just want to play games. I don't want to have to deal with a bunch of BS that gets between me and playing games. I hated the big NXE change that happened a couple years ago with the 360 OS. Absolutely flooded with ads and promos. Adding insult to injury, MS charges us for online play. Not long after the NXE switchover, I canceled my XBL sub because I just want to play games. And MS is continuing in this direction by making it even more of a pain just to play games. It truly boggles my mind that so many people are okay with this.

There are several articles from before the XB1 reveal where the Gamestop CEO stated that the new consoles would definitely allow used game sales. He may not have known all of the details, but he was not blindsided.

The problem with your problem is that there is only one company on earth who manufactures a machine JUST to play games and even Nintendo tries to duct tape rudimentary multimedia features to stay competitive. The consoles just cost too much money to appeal to only the "gamer" sector of the market.
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Originally Posted by hoos30 View Post

There are several articles from before the XB1 reveal where the Gamestop CEO stated that the new consoles would definitely allow used game sales. He may not have known all of the details, but he was not blindsided.

The problem with your problem is that there is only one company on earth who manufactures a machine JUST to play games and even Nintendo tries to duct tape rudimentary multimedia features to stay competitive. The consoles just cost too much money to appeal to only the "gamer" sector of the market.

No, it is a common fallacy that costs have much to do with sales price or strategy. The console manufacturers feel they are leaving revenues on the table if they do not include other functionality. It has nothing to do with costs. If hardcore gamers flee a console because of the other functionality, I can guarantee that they will dial it back. People are not promoted and rewarded if they never make changes to increase revenues. Thus, you have New Coke and the Xbone telescreen. The public will decide if they are successful.
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There are several articles from before the XB1 reveal where the Gamestop CEO stated that the new consoles would definitely allow used game sales.
Right. Exactly. Which is why he was blindsided by MS's strangely confused messaging about used games (transfers, fees, codes, etc.). The gist was that games will be tied to user accounts. This was a surprise to the CEO of Gamestop.
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The problem with your problem is that there is only one company on earth who manufactures a machine JUST to play games and even Nintendo tries to duct tape rudimentary multimedia features to stay competitive. The consoles just cost too much money to appeal to only the "gamer" sector of the market.
You misunderstood me. I didn't mean a console that only plays games and nothing else. I mean a console that will let me play games without having to deal with all that other stuff. I can do that on my phone and tablet and laptop and PC, and those all do a lot more than play games. The one doesn't preclude the other.
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People keep saying about how it's fine if Microsoft can track you down since it's normal these days when it comes to the interwebz, but what about hackers? You gotta be kidding yourself if you think Microsoft are immune to being hacked.

What if your daughter has an Xbone and with a huge hack exploit people captured footage of her naked or whatever in her room? It's completely fine if the Kinect was optional, but the combination of forced online + required Kinect is too much, just make it optional!
You all realize that phones, tablets, and laptops all have hackable cameras, too, right?
post #6839 of 7006
The thing that makes me a little uncomfortable with kinect is less that I'm worried about MS spying on me, but more how it just takes over your living room. Especially now that the cheap wired headsets are no longer included and kinect is expected to be the basic voice chat.

Before, if someone was playing a game, they're in their own little world, the headset doesn't really pick up conversations around you. My wife could talk to me and it wasnt so public, it'd just quickly hit a button and mute if I had to. That's going away, there doesn't seem to be any easy one button mute switch. We've all heard the people with kinects in games, and you hear everything in their living room. And it'll be SO much worse now that everyone has one, with a camera.

Whenever the Xbox is on, everyone else has to basically assume everything they do in their own living room is potentially being broadcast to strangers, with the remote chance that they're potentially recording as well. It could be a game chat, there could be an open Xbox live party chat, there could be a Skype call. I just don't want anything remotely this invasive like this in my living room, or any room, really. It's like an open window, its just too much.

If I have the disable basically everything before I can find a privacy comfort level, then I'd rather not have it bundled in and have to pay for it in the first place.
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

You all realize that phones, tablets, and laptops all have hackable cameras, too, right?

I'm completely paranoid about this too. My transformer tablet I flip upside down, I have the keyboard attachment to block the other camera. I throw my phone under a pillow or any other thing when I could be indisposed.
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