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post #6901 of 7006
More bad news:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/microsoft-answers-the-question-of-xbox-one-region-locks/
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we have one more piece of information to confirm about the console: the Xbox One will still feature regional locks.
post #6902 of 7006
At least in the US, the number of people that are actually affected by a region lock is miniscule. I can see how it would add to the narrative that you and a lot of others are pushing, but it's really not that big a deal in the scheme of things.
post #6903 of 7006
It'll probably be like the way it is now on the 360 where the publisher decides locking the game or not, which isn't bad news because I totally expected that to happen lol

But since they're trying to make such a big deal out of it regarding the different region prices, how come PS3 is a fully region free console when it comes to games even when the same publishers are involved on both consoles? Region free games just makes things a whole lot less complicated, specially when you're interested in importing games that aren't released in your own region.


Edit: LMAO @ this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYso30L9zI
Edited by metallicaband - 5/27/13 at 11:50am
post #6904 of 7006
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Edit: LMAO @ this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYso30L9zI

That is so awesome.
post #6905 of 7006
I don't see the big deal with console having religion. None of my business really.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Steam Sales.

Call me when the new Forza is under $5 with all DLC included.
post #6908 of 7006
Yep, if next gen will offer discounts as crazy as Steam sales, I don't think anyone would complain.
post #6909 of 7006
Oh ok, so DRM is ok as long as the game was cheap.
post #6910 of 7006
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Oh ok, so DRM is ok as long as the game was cheap.

Pretty much right? Now the finish line is moved to fight your argument. First it is no DRM period but now it is based on Forza and all DLC for $5 rolleyes.gif

It is locked to one account. If my son can't play on my account on his laptop when I am on a game on Steam. Not seeing what the difference is.
post #6911 of 7006
There wouldn't be DRM in a perfect world, but the lower price makes it at least far more "acceptable". That alone makes a very big difference between Steam and MS (depending on what they'll do, info has been a mess), so you can't say if Steam is doing it then it's fine for MS to do it.

There will still be people who'll complain about DRM for sure, but the overall complains will definitely be much less.

Edit: Also, I don't know why we're even talking about such hypothetical possibly when it comes the prices, we're talking about a company that charges you for getting online for no reason AND puts you through ads, M$ won't do such thing in a million years.
post #6912 of 7006
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Oh ok, so DRM is ok as long as the game was cheap.

Pretty much. People put up with steam because the games are cheap with constant sales. Your account can also be freely moved to your new hardware with zero issues and all your games follow you. They set the bar for how to do full digital right, and if Microsoft wants to move in this direction, this is what they have to compete with. We won't truly be able to compare them until their next system comes out and if it is fully BC, and if the transition is seamless and the sales are just as good, then that is one less valid complaint.
post #6913 of 7006
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Oh ok, so DRM is ok as long as the game was cheap.

No. Digital licensing needs to priced as a digital license. Not as a full blow physical game, disc, art, case and with all the resell value and additional cost of production already priced into it. If you don't get that, well, not sure what to tell you.
post #6914 of 7006
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

No. Digital licensing needs to priced as a digital license. Not as a full blow physical game, disc, art, case and with all the resell value and additional cost of production already priced into it. If you don't get that, well, not sure what to tell you.
But no one complains about the full price digital games on day one on the consoles. So, I guess I don't get that.
post #6915 of 7006
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No. Digital licensing needs to priced as a digital license. Not as a full blow physical game, disc, art, case and with all the resell value and additional cost of production already priced into it. If you don't get that, well, not sure what to tell you.

Yeah, but you're not going to get it. Recent release titles both on PSN and XBL sell for exactly the retail price asked for the disc, sans taxes. They do go on sale from time to time, but so do the discs. Of course, there are no "used" downloads for sale biggrin.gif.

MS and Sony reap plum profits from the sale of downloads; not only do they not pay for the disc, packaging and distribution, there's no reseller to get a cut.
post #6916 of 7006
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

But no one complains about the full price digital games on day one on the consoles. So, I guess I don't get that.

Plenty of people complain, and plenty of people don't buy.

I've only even bought digital games on sale for $5, and now that MSONY won't be supporting their current gen games going forward, I'm happy to only have spent $5 for a license. Plenty of people will be kicking themselves in the ass once this generation is over. Can't imagine how foolish some Rockband fans must feel.

I'm also not too worried about games that midnight launch for the full $60. People wanting their game already downloaded, encrypted and unlocked at 12:00:01am should be paying a premium for that, even if it is a license. You're paying for premium access and based on instant demand and access.

But the problem comes when publisher leave it at $60, even as sales stagnate. I doubt many copies of the $15 MW2 or W@W DLC is being sold today. Put it up for $0.99 and I bet they'd sell a couple hundred thousand downloads. But they don't, because it be undercutting their monopoly pricing. Digital content and licensing can be a win for consumers and publishers, but they again and again refuse to do it right. They see every discounted sale as one that could have been a $60 sale, but that's flat out wrong. They're also worried about loosing their grip, as this kind of thinking has more to do with power than profit.
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MS and Sony reap plum profits from the sale of downloads; not only do they not pay for the disc, packaging and distribution, there's no reseller to get a cut.

Thats the amusing thing, that in their attempt to cut out the secondary market and control their content with a iron fist; they're pushing a relationship and technology that could 180 against them overnight. Either MSONY changing their views, or a competitor coming along and using a system that consumers get used to, could cut out publishers and directly fund and market game Dev studios to consumer. Might be a while, but it would be amusing to see this utterly backfire on the big publishers in the end. Kickstarter is the first wave of that, and Sony has been talking up their self publishing on their next machine and courting Indy studios.
Edited by TyrantII - 5/27/13 at 5:01pm
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Can't imagine how foolish some Rockband fans feel.

Huh? I'm a RB fan who bought the RB3 disc and then the downloaded version for convenience. I've also bought a buttload of downloaded titles, all at sale prices. I don't feel foolish about it. Why do you imagine that anyone would?
post #6918 of 7006
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Huh? I'm a RB fan who bought the RB3 disc and then the downloaded version for convenience. I've also bought a buttload of downloaded titles, all at sale prices. I don't feel foolish about it. Why do you imagine that anyone would?
I'm guessing its because evil MS is not including BC on the One.
post #6919 of 7006
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I'm guessing its because evil MS is not including BC on the One.

Yeah, us core RB fans are going to have to keep the platform we're currently playing on around, 360 or PS3. Life in the big city.
post #6920 of 7006
I only buy digital if it is digital only, or it offers a sizeable advantage over the disc based game. I bought Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen on the PSN because it runs better when on the HDD. A heck of a lot less pop in was enough for me to buy it day one digitally. With the 360 and the Xbone I don't have that advantage (thanks to a better feature) so digital loses a lot of it's luster.
post #6921 of 7006
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Yeah, us core RB fans are going to have to keep the platform we're currently playing on around, 360 or PS3. Life in the big city.

Wii players had some hiccups, but were largely able to transfer everything over to the Wii U.

I lost my Guitar Hero and Rockband stuff in my housefire and it is tough to find working guitars... (I had it on PS3 and 360)
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Yeah, us core RB fans are going to have to keep the platform we're currently playing on around, 360 or PS3. Life in the big city.

And when they pull the network plug on those consoles you're a HDD failure away from losing that licensed content for good. If you bought on sale, or knew the risks I'm sure that's not an issue. But the internet is ablaze with people already ticked off with Sony and MS that their 1000 song Rockband collection is not supported going forward.

Licensing done wrong is terrible for consumers.
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And when they pull the network plug on those consoles you're a HDD failure away from losing that licensed content for good. If you bought on sale, or knew the risks I'm sure that's not an issue. But the internet is ablaze with people already ticked off with Sony and MS that their 1000 song Rockband collection is not supported going forward.

Huh. It's interesting that the rockband.com forums are not "ablaze" with them. There are people who aren't happy about the unlikelihood of being able to use their RB DLC investments on the One or PS4, but there's no huge to-do about it. Again, it's just life in the big city--nothing lasts forever. There are people with all manner of downloable DLC for other games who won't be able to transfer it to the new platforms either.

The longevity of XBL for the 360 is unknown post Xbox One launch; the journalists should try to get some kind of comment from MS on the topic. XBL Gold memberships are a significant revenue stream for MS and I'd be surprised if they want to let go of that anytime soon. There are those who pay for it just to use the media apps which require it, without any online gaming. We'll find out in due time what their plans are. I'm sure that there's some threshold of usage that will determine when they pull the plug.
Edited by michaeltscott - 5/28/13 at 7:24am
post #6924 of 7006
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Isn't he in Australia? If so, how could the FBI be involved in arresting him? If not, why would he demand that he be free by 8 PM in Perth?

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In this example they are in cooperation with the Australian Gov't. Certain agreements under certain situations.

Correct the same thing happened with Julian Assange and Kim DOT com. Expect even more with things like this with the Transpacific Partnership Agreement. Country sovereignty is dead.
post #6925 of 7006
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Wii players had some hiccups, but were largely able to transfer everything over to the Wii U.

I lost my Guitar Hero and Rockband stuff in my housefire and it is tough to find working guitars... (I had it on PS3 and 360)


I have like 4 guitars I'll sell you...
post #6926 of 7006
couple of things..
saying people don't complain about digital games at full price, you are wrong, i don't buy digital games at full price because i cannot trade it in. I have probably gotten close to 1K or more over all the stuff i have traded in. I also rarely buy DLC (for example i traded all the BF games and COD games only buying DLC once over the span of 7 games, every other game i traded in the day the new DLC came out), so just saying "people don't have a problem with this or that" isn't true....

also curious to how this will affect charities that get games/systems donated to them, i donated my wii to a boys/girls group and donating my 360/ps3 to a sick children group, along with some games.. so on this next system, will i be able to donate games??
post #6927 of 7006
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couple of things..
saying people don't complain about digital games at full price, you are wrong, i don't buy digital games at full price because i cannot trade it in. I have probably gotten close to 1K or more over all the stuff i have traded in. I also rarely buy DLC (for example i traded all the BF games and COD games only buying DLC once over the span of 7 games, every other game i traded in the day the new DLC came out), so just saying "people don't have a problem with this or that" isn't true....

Did someone say that people don't have a problem buying digital games at full price? Certainly that's not true of everyone. I buy them, but I don't buy them at full price (except for RB3, whose full price as a download was $20 from the beginning biggrin.gif). I have a problem with buying any game at full price, disc or download. I don't play multiplayer games anymore so getting a game at release doesn't matter to me; I wait until it's available at a decent price.

I prefer digital downloads for the convenience. I like not having to get up and find the game that I want and swap it out for whatever's in the drive. It's particularly nice for something like Rock Band which I play repeatedly. When I bought only discs I usually had a backlog of stuff waiting for me to play, so by the time that I got around to playing a title it wasn't worth much of anything in trade.

I do know that there are a significant number of people who buy new titles when they're released, play through them quickly and trade them back for maximum value, so I appreciate how these new licensing schemes are likely to affect them. I also know people who buy most of their games at high bargain prices as used disc; I've done a certain amount of that. We'll have to wait and see how these licensing schemes affect this stuff.
post #6928 of 7006
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I have like 4 guitars I'll sell you...

As fun as it would be to jump back in after a few years, I almost don't want to, that game style is addicting and it is bad enough that I am a CoD and Pokemon fan... (as sick as I am of CoD rehashes, the core gameplay is still fun)
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post #6930 of 7006
I wonder if anything will come out of it. For now, I'll just continue to play a bunch of my ps3 games in case I jump ship next generation.
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