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3D HTPC needed for Panasonic GT25

post #1 of 34
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I just purchaed a Panny gt25, and am now in need to build another HTPC for this TV. I will be running XBMC, as the same as all other HTPC's, with PowerDVD 10 Ultra as the blu ray player.

This is my first 3D HTPC build, so I'll need a little advice, mainly just on the video card.

Is there a special video card that is needed to do 3D for TV's? I know 3D video cards are out there, but I wasn't sure if they were different in the way they output their 3D.

Also, I'd like the ability to have my sound go to my receiver, and the display go to my TV, like some blu ray players have as my receiver for this room will not be able to output 3D. Bitstreaming HD audio is a plus also.
post #2 of 34
One of GeForce GT 430, GT 440, GTS 450, GTX 460, GTX 550 Ti, GTX 560 Ti. Unless you play games, GT 430 is good enough.
post #3 of 34
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I forgot I have an ATI 5570 lying around at home, will that work?

What about the ability to output the sound to the receiver, and the video to the TV with the ATI and the items listed above?

I might not use the ati card as I might go to a low profile case, haven't thought that far ahead yet.
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What about ATI 6000 series? 6850 ?
post #5 of 34
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Will they do video to the TV and audio to my receiver? Or, is that something I do seperately from the video card all together?
post #6 of 34
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I forgot I have an ATI 5570 lying around at home, will that work?

No, HD 5xxx does not support HDMI 1.4a 3D (precisely "Frame Packing").

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Will they do video to the TV and audio to my receiver? Or, is that something I do seperately from the video card all together?

At least NVIDIA cards can do that: 3D video to the 3D HDTV, HD audio bitstreaming to the HDMI 1.3 receiver.
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What about ATI 6000 series? 6850 ?

Yup, I forgot them. HD 6450, 6570, 6670 are coming later.
post #8 of 34
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So, would this work to do 3D to my TV, and bitstream HD audio to my receiver then?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125353
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At least NVIDIA cards can do that: 3D video to the 3D HDTV, HD audio bitstreaming to the HDMI 1.3 receiver.

How does that work? Dvi to hdmi adapter? I haven't noticed one with 2 hdmi ports.
post #10 of 34
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What about ATI 6000 series? 6850 ?

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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

No, HD 5xxx does not support HDMI 1.4a 3D (precisely "Frame Packing").



At least NVIDIA cards can do that: 3D video to the 3D HDTV, HD audio bitstreaming to the HDMI 1.3 receiver.

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How does that work? Dvi to hdmi adapter? I haven't noticed one with 2 hdmi ports.

Ya, same question from me. I'm assuming that is how you do it, but wanted to make sure.
post #11 of 34
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

No, HD 5xxx does not support HDMI 1.4a 3D (precisely "Frame Packing").



At least NVIDIA cards can do that: 3D video to the 3D HDTV, HD audio bitstreaming to the HDMI 1.3 receiver.

Which NVIDIA cards specifically for my scenerio?
post #12 of 34
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How does that work? Dvi to hdmi adapter? I haven't noticed one with 2 hdmi ports.

This is an old subject discussed in the sticky thread "FAQ for the 3D HTPC" since this post. HDMI to the HDTV and DVI to the AVR (via a generic DVI-HDMI adapter). Search in the thread with keyword "DVI". You will see a couple of successful examples.

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Which NVIDIA cards specifically for my scenerio?

For example, ASUS GT 430.
post #13 of 34
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

This is an old subject discussed in the FAQ for the 3D HTPC since this post. HDMI to the HDTV and DVI to the ARV (via a generic DVI-HDMI adapter). Search in the thread with keyword "DVI". You will see a couple of successful example.



For example, ASUS GT 430.

Do you mean DVI to TV via adapter, and HDMI to TV? If you mean what you said, then I will have to do some research as I didn't think DVI passed audio.

That card is perfect for what I am looking for in terms of price, functionality, and even size to boot (can make it low profile if I want). I will more than likely purchase that one pending any further comments to stray me away.

Now, on to the subject of processors. Can a little bitty ATOM processor handle 3D or should i beef it up to some sort of dual core processor? I will probably use my TV for 2D to 3D conversion, but I might want to dabble with that on the PowerDVD software to compare.
post #14 of 34
Sorry for the typo. I mean AVR by ARV. Please search the sticky thread by keyword "DVI". What you think may not agree with the fact.

Atom+ION or Zacate does not support HDMI 1.4a 3D. If you convert 2D to 3D in PC, the minimum processor is Core i3-530/2100 or Athlon II X3. It looks like you are building a HTPC from the ground up. Then I recommend Core i3-2100. Its integrated GPU supports HDMI 1.4a 3D so that you don't need a discrete graphics. DVI supports HDMI audio bitstreaming with no problem. The only potential issue is that PowerDVD may or may not support dual display (HDTV + AVR) under SNB. (If not, add GT 430.)
post #15 of 34
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By golly, learn something new every day!

Thanks for the info on the cores. I'll do some pricing and think of what I want to do, either cheap with the atom, or a little more pricey with the athlon II as I can get one of those for like 70 dollars I think.

Will the ATOM play regular blu ray rips from my windows home server, and play regular blu ray movies via powerdvd 10 ultra with no problems?
post #16 of 34
Atom + ION can play 2D BD just fine. But AMD Zacate (E-350), like this, ~$110 (CPU+GPU+mb combo) is a better choice. ION does not support HDMI audio, Zacate does. Neither Atom+ION nor AMD E-350 supports HDMI 1.4a 3D, however.
post #17 of 34
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I think I'll go with one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103920

As the processor as I understand it, it will play back 3D videos, and will also do 2D to 3D conversion. See anything wrong with that one?
post #18 of 34
The CPU is powerful enough for software MVC decode/2D-3D conversion. Add GT 430 for HDMI 1.4a 3D (that also supports hardware MVC decode).
post #19 of 34
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Awesome, I'll start building the rest now and report back...I'm probably goign to get one of those mini cases this time, the big ones just take up too much room.
post #20 of 34
Athlon II stock cooler may be a bit loud at load (e.g. 2D-3D conversion). You'd better think about a third-party cooler (that may require some space).
post #21 of 34
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The HTPC will be in an enclosed area, so I am ok with this sound.

I also have a third party cooler lying around if it is too loud. I just recently swapped out my home automation PC, whs server, and htpc in my theater room to rack mounts, so I had to downgrade the sizes of fans on two of them...hence why I have the one video card lying around also.
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Motherboard is not good, slow HyperTransport. AMD 760G/SB710 chipset is minimum.

Memory: You'd better buy DDR3-1333 (or 1600) 2 x 2GB (1333 is the max frequency CPU support; dual-channel).

Otherwise good.
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GeForce 7025/nForce 630a was designed in 2007 (very old) for AM2 chips (hence HT 1000MHz [specs at Newegg is wrong], PCIe 1.0). You'd better avoid it. You can find a AMD 760G (or even 880G)/SB710 mb in the same price range.

RAM is good. With heat spreader by adding $5.
post #26 of 34
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How about this mobo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-455-_-Product

I have built about 30 builds with gigabyte as the mobo, and I love their install.

And I'd probably get the ram you mentioned.
post #27 of 34
Yup, that's it.
post #28 of 34
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Perfect.

One last question, will the Xpand universal glasses work with my setup? I'm assuming yes as they just sync with the TV, and not the computer. Just to cover all my basics
post #29 of 34
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Perfect.

One last question, will the Xpand universal glasses work with my setup? I'm assuming yes as they just sync with the TV, and not the computer. Just to cover all my basics

Yes, probably. (PC or a standalone BR 3D player or PS3 or whatever is irrelevant as long as TV gets HDMI 1.4a 3D video signals.)
post #30 of 34
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Ya, it's listed there, it got some good reviews on the gt25 thread.

How does the 3D exlusivity work? Meaning, with an HTPC, can you play a Sony exlusivity movie on a panny TV?

Purchased the parts also, thanks for all of your help
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