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post #31 of 693
3/15/11 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by gardenhose 15 View Post

What size are you after and which province are you in? Also, going through BB? Within two weeks was the hopeful reply I received from my local best buy regarding new samsung models. Don't know which models sorry.

63-65inch and I'm in Montreal. I originally had a Pioneer Kuro then purchased the Samsung but I think the Panasonic would be the closest I could get to the Kuro. Patience...
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post #32 of 693
3/16/11 at 11:32pm
The Samsungs 6,7, and 8 series are all 1.5" deep.

Does anyone know exact the exact depth of the ST, GT, and VT30? Thanks.
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post #33 of 693
3/17/11 at 12:06am
The specs on the BB listing for the TC-P50ST30 show a 2-1/4" depth.
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post #34 of 693
3/17/11 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by grizzlymantis View Post

The specs on the BB listing for the TC-P50ST30 show a 2-1/4" depth.



On Panasonic's site, they say the GT30 is 2.4", and that tv is supposed to be thinner than the St30...
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post #35 of 693
3/17/11 at 6:34am
The panel is 1.5".
There is a bulge at the bottom to accomodate the speakers and it varies from 2.2"-2.4" depending on model (gt/vt) and size.
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post #36 of 693
3/17/11 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

The measurements for the LG's are all over the place. Chad and FlatPanels had those numbers, and Home Theater Mag had them at 0.026 and CNet registered like 0.031.

Who knows?

Blacklevel rises on German LG PK250 and PK350 from 0,068 cd/m2 up to 0,127 cd/m2!

Other mistakes of LG-Plasmas are:

1. Linebleeding
2. PWM-Noise bug at IRE1 to IRE4
3. Not very fine PWM-Noise near black, so you can't sit as close to the panel as you could with Panasonic!
4. Bad image retention
5. Great Inputlag
6. The 20point IRE-calibration tends to cause banding all over the greyscale. You can defend it, but it takes A LOT of time.
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post #37 of 693
3/17/11 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

Samsung has deeper blacks, better processing, and last year had less phosphor lag than LG. Samsung has better features with their Internet@TV/Media Player too.

LG = Low Grade
LG = Lotsa Glare

Nope, the plasmalag is very low on LG-Plasmas of last year. I guess you're mistaking it with IR.
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post #38 of 693
3/18/11 at 10:42am
Well Chad reviewed the 51" D8000, and its Mll was .016.....and cinema smooth still is bugged....


The larger panels better have .004 mll. Or else Samsung lied about the blacks AND cinema smooth.
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post #39 of 693
3/18/11 at 10:55am
I was all set to go with the D8000 or D7000 but if the Cinema Smooth black level doubling is still there then it's going to be hard for me to bite on it...what's the word on the 55" VT30 availability?
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post #40 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

I was all set to go with the D8000 or D7000 but if the Cinema Smooth black level doubling is still there then it's going to be hard for me to bite on it...what's the word on the 55" VT30 availability?

May, and it might get delayed more after the Tsunami
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post #41 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:09am
was just doing a quick Google search and I don't know how accurate this is but HD Guru claims that the VT30 will have .002 black levels and I also recently saw a post from jmpage2 which stated that a Panny rep said very clearly that the rising and floating blacks have both been eliminated this year

Panasonic’s Mitch Mitsuda regarding if the Panasonic plasmas can reproduce deep blacks like those seen in a 2008 Pioneer press demonstration, Mitsuda said “We can reproduce that in 2011 models’– pause – ‘in a pitch black room’
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post #42 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

was just doing a quick Google search and I don't know how accurate this is but HD Guru claims that the VT30 will have .002 black levels and I also recently saw a post from jmpage2 which stated that a Panny rep said very clearly that the rising and floating blacks have both been eliminated this year

Panasonic's Mitch Mitsuda regarding if the Panasonic plasmas can reproduce deep blacks like those seen in a 2008 Pioneer press demonstration, Mitsuda said We can reproduce that in 2011 models'- pause - in a pitch black room'



I don't trust anything Panasonic says either. they told us that 2010 models "weren't an issue", yet they rose within 6 months


Take it with a grain of salt.


Oh, and I think D-nice already confirmed floating blacks on the ST30, just reduced from last year.
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post #43 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

I was all set to go with the D8000 or D7000 but if the Cinema Smooth black level doubling is still there then it's going to be hard for me to bite on it...what's the word on the 55" VT30 availability?

LOL...I'm not going to give you the business...time to put out those flames.
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post #44 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Nobl3 View Post

I don't trust anything Panasonic says either. they told us that 2010 models "weren't an issue", yet they rose within 6 months


Take it with a grain of salt.


Oh, and I think D-nice already confirmed floating blacks on the ST30, just reduced from last year.


Can you direct me to where he posted that? I read that there was a sort of isolated white flicker but I didn't see anything about floating blacks.
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post #45 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by Nobl3 View Post

I don't trust anything Panasonic says either. they told us that 2010 models "weren't an issue", yet they rose within 6 months


Take it with a grain of salt.


Oh, and I think D-nice already confirmed floating blacks on the ST30, just reduced from last year.

but the rep this year was a lot more concise with his answer and left no room for misinterpretation...this was his exact quote:

"Oh and by the way - and for those who obsessively niggle at these things on forums worldwide - both the rising and floating black problems have been addressed, and are sorted in 2011 models. There's now no black level shift to compensate for stabilising brightness levels after initial use
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post #46 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:24am
The OP said something that caught my eye. He said the black level was expected to be the same across the 6,7 and 8 series plasmas. I remember reading that the 7000 and 8000 would be having the same panel (and thusly similar PQ), but the 6000? I wasnt sure it was included in that as well.
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post #47 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Nobl3 View Post

Oh, and I think D-nice already confirmed floating blacks on the ST30, just reduced from last year.

No, he didn't. The floating blacks everyone on here talks about are fixed on the ST30.

The issue he mentioned is different, also noted by another user whom said shutting off C.A.T.S. fixed it. D-nice mentioned he has seen it during the daytime viewing, so lets see if it continues to do this with his nighttime. D-nice didn't mention if he had C.A.T.S. on or off.
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post #48 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:36am
I can see that it's going to be a bit of a chore keeping things straight about floating blacks, etc.

People should be more careful when quoting others, especially the professionals on this forum. I'd really hate it if they had to be even more guarded with the information they have.
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post #49 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post
but the rep this year was a lot more concise with his answer and left no room for misinterpretation...this was his exact quote:

"Oh and by the way – and for those who obsessively niggle at these things on forums worldwide – both the rising and floating black problems have been addressed, and are sorted in 2011 models. There’s now no black level shift to compensate for stabilising brightness levels after initial use…”
Which "rep" said this? Until I get a direct quote, then I dont trust this info.
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post #50 of 693
3/18/11 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Nobl3 View Post
Which "rep" said this? Until I get a direct quote, then I dont trust this info.
Panasonic's Mitch Mitsuda...

http://www.whathifi.com/blog/japan-t...anasonic-s-tvs
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post #51 of 693
3/18/11 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post
hmmmm. My s2 rose and I said I would never buy a Panasonic again, but after reading that it gives me some faith in them. Only time will tell.
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post #52 of 693
3/18/11 at 2:59pm
What D-Nice is describing is that the brightness of objects is adjusting a little bit on scenes with certain material, he himself has observed that this is less noticeable than the floating blacks last year, although he finds it distracting. Apparently there is also still some solarization/posterization present, something that has been on every Panasonic plasma made for as long as I am aware. I personally have not found the posterization stuff to be distracting when I have viewed these sets.

Obviously these sets just came out so it's possible that there is a setting that can be adjusted to straighten this out. A little too early to jump off a cliff right now over this one.

For the record other reviewers, calibrators and casual viewers have all really failed to notice this although one self described videophile did come forward to confirm the issue was on his ST set as well.

We also don't know if GT/VT will have the same issues or not, last year the VT had much less of a floating black problem than the lower end sets.

If Samsung had worked their issues out I would have considered a D7000, but after seeing the report it's just not going to cut it for me. I think I will stick it out with my 65VT30 pre-order.

It might not be perfect but I have a feeling it will be the best performing TV of 2011. We should know soon, the first units are all set to arrive in the next month or so and we should get reviews and calibrator reports soon after that.
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post #53 of 693
3/18/11 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

What D-Nice is describing is that the brightness of objects is adjusting a little bit on scenes with certain material, he himself has observed that this is less noticeable than the floating blacks last year, although he finds it distracting. Apparently there is also still some solarization/posterization present, something that has been on every Panasonic plasma made for as long as I am aware. I personally have not found the posterization stuff to be distracting when I have viewed these sets.

Obviously these sets just came out so it's possible that there is a setting that can be adjusted to straighten this out. A little too early to jump off a cliff right now over this one.

For the record other reviewers, calibrators and casual viewers have all really failed to notice this although one self described videophile did come forward to confirm the issue was on his ST set as well.

We also don't know if GT/VT will have the same issues or not, last year the VT had much less of a floating black problem than the lower end sets.

If Samsung had worked their issues out I would have considered a D7000, but after seeing the report it's just not going to cut it for me. I think I will stick it out with my 65VT30 pre-order.

It might not be perfect but I have a feeling it will be the best performing TV of 2011. We should know soon, the first units are all set to arrive in the next month or so and we should get reviews and calibrator reports soon after that.

Definetly stick with that pre-order. I have a feeling as well that this TV will perform the best in 2011 as far as plasmas go.
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post #54 of 693
3/19/11 at 1:55am
Wow, the used market for Kuros just became hot again.
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post #55 of 693
3/19/11 at 3:31am
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Wow, the used market for Kuros just became hot again.

I get the feeling it'll be that way for some time.

Someone is bound to get tired of their Kuro eventually. Everyone enjoys upgrading- whether it's an upgrade or not.
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post #56 of 693
3/19/11 at 7:19am
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Wow, the used market for Kuros just became hot again.

I would still take a NIB 65" panasonic over a used 60" Kuro at the same price. Size matters.
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post #57 of 693
3/19/11 at 8:04am
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I would still take a NIB 65" panasonic over a used 60" Kuro at the same price. Size matters.

By that logic, why don't you buy a 72" LCD then? If all you care about is size/ worse picture quality?
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post #58 of 693
3/19/11 at 8:22am
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By that logic, why don't you buy a 72" LCD then? If all you care about is size/ worse picture quality?

Apples and Oranges...no one is talking about LCDs here. Some folks just don't do "used." I know I don't. I can't assume that others take care of their equipment the way I do. Plus, Kuros aren't manufactured anymore so the extra cost for possible parts/repairs is not worth it...especially if the 65VT30 performs the way it's supposed to.
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post #59 of 693
3/19/11 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I would still take a NIB 65" panasonic over a used 60" Kuro at the same price. Size matters.

I'm happy for you, really I am. I'm in an apt content with a 50" and I doubt I'm alone.
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post #60 of 693
3/19/11 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by Nobl3 View Post

By that logic, why don't you buy a 72" LCD then? If all you care about is size/ worse picture quality?

If picture quality trumps other considerations then maybe you should spend $5K on a 17" OLED set.

While I don't expect the new VT to best the 8G Kuro in all PQ areas, I think it will more than hold its own.

And, as someone else mentioned "I don't do used". Too much risk of having a problem down the road. Extended warranty doesn't do you any good when they warranty company decides your expensive Kuro isn't worth fixing and prefers to just cash you out or give you a budget set to replace it with.
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