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post #2581 of 2663
I've got my VSX-1021 basically working; hooked up to the network, and firmware updated to the latest.

However, I'm trying to configure the speakers (more on that below), but in the System Setup menu, the "Manual SP Setup" entry is "greyed" out, and not selectable. Only "Input" and "Other" setup entries can be selected. Any idea what this problem could be, and how to fix it?

Second: presuming I can get to manual speaker setup, this is what I want to accomplish:

I've got a 5.1 speaker system in my media room, plus 2 other speakers in another room. Right now, I've got the secondary speakers connected to the Front/Height/Wide (FH) terminals. I tried connecting them to the SB/Zone 2 terminals, but couldn't get them to be on without the media room speakers being on as well.

My goal is to be able to:
- ideally, send different sources to the media room and secondary speakers. from the forum thread, it looks like this is probably possible, though it seems to conflict with the (very sketchy) manual
- if that's not possible, to be able to turn on just the media room speakers, just the secondaries, or both. Right now, if the secondaries are on, the media room speakers are on.

What's the ideal setup here? Connect secondaries to Zone 2 or FH? And, what's possible.

Of course, I have to get this thing into Manual Speaker setup first!

Thanks!
post #2582 of 2663
I recently added a pair of speakers outside and set them up on speaker B. Unfortunately the speakers outside are much quieter than the indoor speakers, so when I want to play music out of both at the same time, I have to crank the volume up on the indoor speakers to an uncomfortable level. Is there a way that I can increase the volume on just the speaker B speakers?
post #2583 of 2663
^^^^

If you can use the Zone 2 setup in place of Speaker B you can control each zone's volume separately. If you need the Speaker B setup, I don't think you can do it.
post #2584 of 2663
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Originally Posted by ruftytufty57 View Post

My goal is to be able to:
- ideally, send different sources to the media room and secondary speakers. from the forum thread, it looks like this is probably possible, though it seems to conflict with the (very sketchy) manual
- if that's not possible, to be able to turn on just the media room speakers, just the secondaries, or both. Right now, if the secondaries are on, the media room speakers are on.

What's the ideal setup here? Connect secondaries to Zone 2 or FH? And, what's possible.

Of course, I have to get this thing into Manual Speaker setup first!

Thanks!
You want to setup the secondary speakers as Zone 2. With that setup, you can send different sources to each zone. The restriction is zone 2 source must be analog, hdmi sources can't be sent to zone 2. AirPlay, front USB iPod, tuner, etc all work with either zone. Also, when you start airplay, it starts in zone 1. You can then switch it to zone 2.

Power, volume, source are controlled in each zone separately. Multi zone should do everything you want. I use it daily with the main zone in my family room & zone 2 on the deck.
post #2585 of 2663
Hi Allen - thanks for the guidance regarding Zone 2!

Any ideas regarding my problem getting into Manual Speaker setup?
post #2586 of 2663
^^^^
The only thing I can suggest is check your operational mode setting. If it is set to Basic many settings are grayed out. It should be set to Advanced. HTH,
post #2587 of 2663
That was it. Expert mode is supposed to be the default, which I suppose is why I haven't seen any mention of the Operation Mode setting, but mine was in Basic mode.

So, thanks! Now I can move onto actually configuring the speakers!
post #2588 of 2663
Anyone ever run into an issue with their ALC setting, where it just stops working? It just doesn't send audio out. Video shows, just no audio. Any thoughts?
post #2589 of 2663
rufty, glad we got to the bottom of your issues. Have fun configuring than, most of all, listening to your receiver smile.gif
post #2590 of 2663
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Originally Posted by dante1 View Post

I am having a very hard time getting my 1021k to work with my infocus 4805 and Appletv2 over HDMI.

I tried:

35 foot M1 to HDMI cable with HDMI source----not working

M1 to HDMI adapter -->HDMI extenders(35' cat 5e cable)---- not working


If I connect the avr to an LCD display...Appletv2 works perfectly.

If I connect component cables from the avr to the project...Appletv2 works.

If I connect the appletv2 directly to the projector with M1 to HDMI or with HDMI extenders, appletv2 works perfectly.


I can' t figure out why it will not work with my infocus projector.

I have contacted pioneer tech support and they told me that there is nothing wrong with the avr.


Can someone please help me understand why it won't work?


If I use component cables instead of HDMI from avr to projector, is there a difference in image quality?


Thank you

Hi! I know this is an old thread, but I want to share my experience since I had this exact same problem some time ago.

I found out that this is solved if you change the Apple TV resolution while conected to the receiver.

Thats it....

Regards
post #2591 of 2663
So, my AirPlay just stopped working out of the blue. It'll play about 1/5 second of the song and just stop. I'll reset everything, then it'll do the same thing. I did a quick search in the threads, but couldn't find anything. Sorry if it's a double post.

Can anyone give me some insight there? It's really frustrating! mad.gif
post #2592 of 2663
So it randomly started working again after my AirPort update, then stopped an hour later in the middle of a song, and is doing the same thing again. WTF is going on here....
Edited by John Osterman - 6/3/13 at 3:48pm
post #2593 of 2663
An update to my post from February: my 1021's networking capability just suddenly began working again on its own. This is a weird, weird receiver. I should probably try to pick up an old Denon AVR-5700 on the cheap while I can as my original is still rock solid after all of these years (less "features" to break!).
post #2594 of 2663
Hey everyone - I have had my 1021 for about a 1.5 yrs now. Everything was working fairly well until this last Sunday. Then I stopped getting a picture on my TV. I have my blueray and cable box going into the receiver with HDMI, then out with HDMI to my tv. I tried different hdmi cables, unplugged everything, tried some of the ways to 'factory reset' the receiver, nothing has worked. If i plug the cable or blueray directly into the tv, it works. I also brought in a different tv and that wasn't the issue.

Using the HDMI out of the receiver to the tv I can't see the menu for the receiver. However I can see the receiver menu using a normal video out (i don't have 2 video out cable to see if using these would work from blueray to receiver to tv).

I'm thinking my HDMI out just stopped working for some reason, but didn't know of a way to verify this. Anyone have any suggestions for other things for me to try or am I just out of luck and my HDMI out did just stop working?
post #2595 of 2663
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Originally Posted by agsam01 View Post

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Using the HDMI out of the receiver to the tv I can't see the menu for the receiver. However I can see the receiver menu using a normal video out (i don't have 2 video out cable to see if using these would work from blueray to receiver to tv).

I'm thinking my HDMI out just stopped working for some reason, but didn't know of a way to verify this. Anyone have any suggestions for other things for me to try or am I just out of luck and my HDMI out did just stop working?

I can't think of anything else; I'd say you need a trip to the shop. Bummer. Might want to double-check to see if you used a CC that doubles the manufacturer's warranty on purchases, as some do (assuming you didn't buy an extended warranty or purchase it at Costco.)
post #2596 of 2663
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

I can't think of anything else; I'd say you need a trip to the shop. Bummer. Might want to double-check to see if you used a CC that doubles the manufacturer's warranty on purchases, as some do (assuming you didn't buy an extended warranty or purchase it at Costco.)

Thanks for responding. I used an AmEx - so maybe I have something there, I'll just have to go look through all my fine print on my card to find out. I was pretty sure I was SOL - but not being super familiar with Pioneer, my first Pioneer (mostly Yamahas and Sonys previously) wasn't sure if I was just missing something simple.
post #2597 of 2663
I'm not completely giving up on trying to figure out a way to fix it - so if I somehow getting it working I'll update for anyone else who is having this same issue.

To me it wasn't expensive enough to take to a shop and I don't even know of one around me - so if I can't get the HDMI on it working, it will just become a garage stereo.
post #2598 of 2663
Hope someone can help. VSX 1021 K was fine and now I'm trying to use my remote and it keeps saying zone 2 and I can't use any other buttons on my remote. I have 5.1 and nothing setup for additional zones. Thanks
post #2599 of 2663
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Originally Posted by meariesguy View Post

Hope someone can help. VSX 1021 K was fine and now I'm trying to use my remote and it keeps saying zone 2 and I can't use any other buttons on my remote. I have 5.1 and nothing setup for additional zones. Thanks

Did you press the "receiver" button on the remote before trying to operate it? Press "Zone 2" and the buttons then control Zone 2. Press "Receiver" and the buttons control the main zone.
post #2600 of 2663
I currently have a Pioneer 919 for which I love. However, I have had it now for a couple of years, purchased it used via e b ay. I am now considering picking up a used 1021 as I just want to get something a little newer and at a lesser cost than a brand new Pio.

So, this leads me to asking a simple question that I am sure is hard to answer...but I will try
These are my current needs
- 5.1, maybe someday 7.1
- no real need for 3d but maybe play with it someday
- Comcast HDMI to projector, Digital Audio to Receiver
- BD player HDMI to projector, Digital Audio to Receiver
- XBOX HDMI
- Wii Component and Audio to receiver
- Phono (your basic, nothing fancy)

- Airplay to work but not critical, mostly for fun
- I would like to setup and make use of Zone B to feed another room

So, is this a worthy upgrade from 919 at a reasonable price of used or should I be looking at the 1121 or 1120???
post #2601 of 2663
Kezug, the 1021 will do what you need, except that it has no phono preamp. You will need a separate phono preamp to use with a line-level input. (This is very common now on AVRs of this class.)

Also, keep in mind that Zone two only works with analog inputs. Any source using a digital input, such as a BD player or cable box, must also have analog outputs, configurable for stereo and active simultaneously, to use with analog inputs on the 1021 that can then be selected for Zone 2.

This is universally true of all but high-end AVRs, to the best of my knowledge. If you're looking at AVRs you can buy used for under $300 that are two years old or less, you won't find Zone support for digital audio inputs, and I'm pretty sure you won't find phono inputs.

External phono preamps are not terribly expensive. I've used this one -- decent enough, if not exactly high-end -- with good results:
http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-PP400-Ultra-Compact-Phono-Preamp/dp/B000H2BC4E/ref=pd_cp_e_0
Edited by rdclark - 7/13/13 at 8:04am
post #2602 of 2663
Thanks rdclark... yes, you are absolutely right about all of the above. Seems like the 1021 is a worthy update as a new model to the 919. Seems like I wont get too many upgrades in terms of bells and whistels...so I must ask, is the 1021 a stable/reliable AVR or should I avoid it and look at other Pio models?
post #2603 of 2663
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Originally Posted by kezug View Post

Thanks rdclark... yes, you are absolutely right about all of the above. Seems like the 1021 is a worthy update as a new model to the 919. Seems like I wont get too many upgrades in terms of bells and whistels...so I must ask, is the 1021 a stable/reliable AVR or should I avoid it and look at other Pio models?

All I can say about that is that my impression, entirely subjective, is that the 1021 is no worse or better than other AVRs in its class as far as reliability goes. But all evidence is anecdotal; there's no actual data one way or another available to the public, AFAIK.

I installed mine about 20 months ago, and the only issues I've had have been network-related, which has certainly been a common topic in this thread. I access its features through the iPad app, and sometimes the Pioneer drops off the network for no reason I can diagnose. Rebooting brings it back. But home networks are hard to diagnose, and it's always difficult to say with certainty that a problem is caused only by a specific device.

There have been no electrical or mechanical issues with mine. It sounds fine, and the $280 I paid for a new one was money well spent.
post #2604 of 2663
I've had my 1021 for almost two years now. Been working great until this morning.

Tried to play some vinyl, but was only getting sound out of the right channel. Here are the steps I've gone through in troubleshooting:

-Turned on Zone 2 and was getting sound out of both channels in the other zone. Still only right channel in main zone.
-Swapped the left and right speakers to see if any change. No difference.
-Swapped the cables from left to right on the outputs from the back of the receiver. No change. Still no audio out on whatever is plugged into the left output.
-Powered down the receiver, unplugged and plugged it back in. No change.
-Went into the setup menu to check the channel levels. When the "static" tones play for adjusting the levels, the center and right channels are nice and loud, but the left channel is barely audible and doesn't really change even when the channel is adjusted to very high levels (for reference, left, right and center are all normally set to +1.5 dB).

The problem exists for all audio sources, not just from the turntable.

I've been banging my head against this for ~2 hours now and can't figure out anything else to check. I'm hoping that maybe I'm missing something obvious.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
post #2605 of 2663
Sounds like it's in need of service, olympusme. If you bought it as Costco, they should take it as a return. Home theater comes under Costco's normal return policy, not their 90 day electronics policy. If not, contact Pioneer for the closest service center ... if you used a credit card to purchase, some double the manufacturers warranty. Since you are still in the 2nd year, that may be an option.
post #2606 of 2663
Thanks for the response, apaulct. That's what I was afraid of.
post #2607 of 2663
Please let us know how you make out. I replaced an old 1014 with the 1021 but hung on to the 1014 JiC. At least I have something to use if my main system needs repair.

I use my Amex card for all purchases. They double the original manufacturers warenty. Used it once, my dSLR died 20 months after purchase. Amex credited my card for the full price of the repair, saved me about $400 smile.gif

Hope everything works out for you.
post #2608 of 2663
This may be a silly question but is there a way to even out the audio output of voices? My issue is that the actors voices in film, or tv is always a bit lower than the action. So i generally have to have the volume way up to compensate, the problem with that is once the action ramps up and explosion begin it's too much, so I have to lower the volume. I play that game with the remote throughout the entire length of a movie lol. I just ran the mcacc setup, and I have been using that since, either in auto mode or stream direct.

Also is there a night mode with this receiver?

Thanks in advance,

Rob
post #2609 of 2663
MCACC setup should adjust the level of each channel. Often, voice comes from the center channel, background & music from the left & right speakers. If you still have the issue, try increasing the center level and see if that helps.
post #2610 of 2663
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

This may be a silly question but is there a way to even out the audio output of voices? My issue is that the actors voices in film, or tv is always a bit lower than the action. So i generally have to have the volume way up to compensate, the problem with that is once the action ramps up and explosion begin it's too much, so I have to lower the volume. I play that game with the remote throughout the entire length of a movie lol. I just ran the mcacc setup, and I have been using that since, either in auto mode or stream direct.

Also is there a night mode with this receiver?

Refer to your manual for implementation of the ALC (Auto Level Control). I don't find it very useful, but you might.

Otherwise, as apaulct noted, after running MCACC you can manually bump up the center channel a couple of dB, which is often all that's needed to bring dialog up out of the murk. Speaker placement is also important; center channel speakers should be unobstructed and as close to ear level as possible, with nothing between it and your ears.
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