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post #31 of 167
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Originally Posted by Oldfart View Post

I have both the new and old SHO-10s. The new ones have a slot port measuring 7.5"x1/2", or 3.75 sq. inches. The old ones have 2 ports, each about 2" in diameter, with a total area of 6.28 sq. inches.

Ah, cool! I was off on my slot size guess. I get 3.70"sq. Close enough for Gov't work! I drew the slot on AutoCAD, with the 1/4" radiused ends and used my properties tool which listed the area.

Chu, as I am not educated in speaker design, would having different port lengths between the round ones and the slot be able to equal out the difference in port area?
post #32 of 167
If by port lengths you mean port depths, the "horn" ports are about 1" in depth. And sorry, I did not take into account the rounded ends of the slot ports.
post #33 of 167
The tuning frequency is a function of the length of the port divided by the area of the port. To keep parity - the same alignment - if you double the diameter then the length has to increase by a factor of 4. But decreasing port diameter can have audible consequences like port noise. There are rules of thumb for estimating the port diameter in order to avoid noise and FWIW, flaring the outside allows one to operate at higher volumes before the onset of noise related to turbulence. Whether any of this is relevant with this particular speaker I can't say. OldFart, who has both styles would be in a better position to weigh in on whether there are any port artifacts. If there aren't any, then maybe the tune is a bit lower now and using this approach allows for some manufacturing savings that can be used to offset costs in other areas.
post #34 of 167
From Craigsub:

" The crossover is the same. The new venting does a better job of extending the response curve in a flat enough manner to make Audyssey happy."
post #35 of 167
Any word on an updated ETA on the floorstanders? I'd love a beefier but still affordable version of the SHO-10 since i'll be coupling it with 2 DTS-10s.
post #36 of 167
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Originally Posted by Matman1970

LMAO!! Yea, its a safe bet.

My parents got divorced in the 1970's but are still friendly. My mother stopped by at his house one day when I was doing some set-up. I threw in Avatar(at reference of course!!) and the second the 20th century fox opening music came on she almost jumped off the couch. She went to cover her ears but then stopped and just watched the first 10 minutes of the movie. (As I mentioned in an earlier post I had forgot to turn on the sub amp for the first couple minutes, the speakers have great mid-bass slam).

After I shut it off I asked her what she thought and if he would be happy with it. She gave me a look like I was insane and said it sounded better than the movie theater.
Hey matman,

I'm curious about your dad's reaction to his new system. How about an update!
post #37 of 167
Thread Starter 
Haha......ya I should have posted this by now.

I fired up the last scene of HTTYD for him at reference. He laughed everytime the dragon stomped or breathed fire, he said it felt like there were 4 guys shaking his couch. He also has Wagner's Ring opera on Blu-ray 7.1, 4 discs at 4 hours each(ZZZZZZZZ!!!!) but he likes it, said it sounded like he was in the concert hall. He listens at 5db below reference level which is pretty good considering he is 74!!! LOL!! I have the new TRON on order for him, should be fun!!!
post #38 of 167
Thread Starter 
A couple of cool picts of the CHT SHO-10...



post #39 of 167
OldFart, how is the midbass of the Sho-10s with the slot vent? Does provide the punch you need from 80hz up?
post #40 of 167
I've been holding off on adding my two cents because:

1) my theater was (and is) a work in progress - finally got carpet and chairs in place several weeks ago - didn't make sense to form any kind of opinion based on bare drywall and concrete floors (echo chamber).

2) I would have a hard time putting into words what I hear.

So, carpet is in, chairs are in, I've done some basic sub EQ and MCACC, and so far the results are outstanding to my ears.

My setup: 1 THT LP sub, 7x CHT XXX-10s (SHO-10 center, PRO-10s for L, R, side and rear surrounds). I know, I know, its not conventional in that the LCR aren't matched, but it came recommended by Craig, and I don't regret it, it is working great.

I was able to get a screaming deal on these from Craig as B stock (returns) - original design - $200 each.
post #41 of 167
What's the thought behind the SHO for center recommendation?
post #42 of 167
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Eyleron View Post

What's the thought behind the SHO for center recommendation?

I believe the SHO is slightly more "forward" in presentation than the PRO and therefore can benefit as a center channel for vocal clarity. I have never heard a PRO myself so I have not made a comparison.
post #43 of 167
Anyone have a shot of the new slot vent model?
post #44 of 167
Still intruiged by the mid bass or lack of - I am thinking the pro being more "laid back" would be better for my ear - I hear the jtr single 8 is more laid back and I like the sound of the jtr's (liked is putting it mildly ha!!!)
post #45 of 167
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

Anyone have a shot of the new slot vent model?

Isn't that what is in post #38?
post #46 of 167
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

Isn't that what is in post #38?

Yeah, I was just wondering if anyone had their own shots at home yet...new owners. Didn't really explain myself there.
post #47 of 167
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Originally Posted by Matman1970 View Post

A couple of cool picts of the CHT SHO-10...




Is that speaker stand available through CHT as well? If not, anyone know where?
post #48 of 167
That is a Bello SP-224 speaker stands if I"m correct and can be found online.

The Sanus UF-22 are among the better stands but you will be paying for them.
post #49 of 167
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Originally Posted by snurf View Post

Any word on an updated ETA on the floorstanders? I'd love a beefier but still affordable version of the SHO-10

I too am interested in this ^^.
post #50 of 167
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

I too am interested in this ^^.

I know I am
post #51 of 167
I am wondering if an 8" version of the Pro would adequate efficiency for most people to cleanly hit reference decibels from typical ten to fifteen feet. And shave a few dollars off.
post #52 of 167
Someone over at CHT is now auditioning the SHO10s against his GedLees'. Obviously subjective but interesting.
post #53 of 167
I've been waiting for that comparo. thanks for the heads up
post #54 of 167
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Originally Posted by snurf View Post

Any word on an updated ETA on the floorstanders? I'd love a beefier but still affordable version of the SHO-10 since i'll be coupling it with 2 DTS-10s.

Anyone know if these are even in the works or just a "pipe dream"?
post #55 of 167
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Originally Posted by f1nels View Post

Someone over at CHT is now auditioning the SHO10s against his GedLees'. Obviously subjective but interesting.

Just browsed that thread. Not surprised by his impressions, it confirms what my ears have been telling me all along. But it's good to hear a direct comparison. The Gedlee speakers are an outstanding design, so it's no surprise there are some areas it excels over the SHO-10's. It will be interesting to hear impressions from the planned GTG.

I have been seriously looking at some Danley's, but I haven't pulled the trigger and I'm glad for that. It's a whole lot of premium for that last ounce of performance.
post #56 of 167
Yes, I would expect the GedLees to be better as they should for the price, but if the SHO10s are 80% of them, that makes them more attractive for the money. I actually have no itch to replace my SHO10s. They're great HT speakers and whether playing quietly or belting it out for demos they don't dissapoint.
post #57 of 167
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

Still intruiged by the mid bass or lack of - I am thinking the pro being more "laid back" would be better for my ear - I hear the jtr single 8 is more laid back and I like the sound of the jtr's (liked is putting it mildly ha!!!)

I still think the SHO-10's match the JTR's better as neutral is concerned.
post #58 of 167
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

Just browsed that thread. Not surprised by his impressions, it confirms what my ears have been telling me all along. But it's good to hear a direct comparison. The Gedlee speakers are an outstanding design, so it's no surprise there are some areas it excels over the SHO-10's. It will be interesting to hear impressions from the planned GTG.

I have been seriously looking at some Danley's, but I haven't pulled the trigger and I'm glad for that. It's a whole lot of premium for that last ounce of performance.

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Originally Posted by f1nels View Post

Yes, I would expect the GedLees to be better as they should for the price, but if the SHO10s are 80% of them, that makes them more attractive for the money. I actually have no itch to replace my SHO10s. They're great HT speakers and whether playing quietly or belting it out for demos they don't dissapoint.

That was a very interesting comparo...the Gedlee's are on my wish list to hear someday along with some high-end Salks.

The fact that he thought the SHO-10's had equal detail and only came up slightly short in the imaging department was impressive given that they are one fifth the price. He also said the SHO-10's as surrounds smoked his previous surround speakers when paired with the Gedlee front stage. Good stuff.
post #59 of 167
2012 lineup update on the CHT forum.

The lineup will consist of the following:

1. PRO-10's and SHO-10's with the same woofer, compression driver (tweeter) and crossover. They will also include a wood frame, cloth grill. The waveguide will expand from the current 60x40 degree dispersion to a 90x90 unit for an even more uniform soundstage.

The back will be "smooth", and the overall look will be very clean.


Much more on subs there as well.
post #60 of 167
Thread Starter 
This was a great post by autox320 on the CHT vs Ed thread; thought it might be useful for owners of the older models wondering about the ability to swap out the 60 degree horn for a 90 degree.

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Originally Posted by autox320 View Post

So all this talk between the new lineups and competitors coming out with more high efficient designs makes one curious.

We are using Chase SHO-10's for my LCR and JBL pro 8320's for surrounds. All pro amps feeding 320w RMS into each the sound stage is already huge.

Let's look by pulling partsexpress descriptions of horns.

old horn
Selenium HM17-25 1" Bi-Radial Horn 60x40
dispersion: 60° H x 40° V *Throat diameter: 1.0" *Mounting type: 1-3/8"-18 TPI *Dimensions: 6.34" W x 5.16" H x 4.16" D *Cabinet cutout: 4-1/2" x 4-1/2".
new horn
Eminence Eminator EM:200S 90° x 90° Bi-Radial 1"
dispersion 90° horizontal x 90° vertical Throat diameter: 1" Driver mounting: 1-3/8"-18 TPI Dimensions: 5-15/16" H x 5-15/16" W x 4-1/4" D Cutout dimensions: 4-1/8" H x 4-1/8" W.

Sounds like too easy an upgrade cause the cutouts are already large enough. So easy my wife did this (yes my wife is an enthusiast too) while I was on webcam overseas. Took her about 10min each.

Lightly file just 2 mount holes on the new waveguide approx 2mm until they line up perfectly with the mount holes. Lightly trim the gasket sides slightly until perfect fit. We have metal grilles on ours so had to space the grilles with 2 additional washers on each corner to clear the new waveguide. Yes you can still rotate the horn for horizontal if needed. We have a horizontal center.

otherwise it's close to direct fit!
VOILA! we have 90 x 90 horns

Wider more uniform soundstage... concur'd

Sorry for the pic quality, maybe the camera hates florescent lights. We have all CFL in our place. Not to mention the front area is pitch black in person.

new center channel on the left(we have horizontal), with old right channel on the right



60x40 on the left; new 90x90 on the right





Don't mind the 52" sony, it's for standard viewing. A 115" scope screen lowers over the edge of the tv and speakers:woo:
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