Originally Posted by gperkins1973
I would say the PI18 is better than the malx in the fact that the malx doesn't even exist anymore. The PI18 is a better improved version off the IXL 18. I don't see a new and improved malx any where.
Your happy to slag off driver like FI, Mach Audio etc.. because it isn't a LMS and yet the PI18 is less than half the price off a LMS. And the Q18 is a 1/3 off the price of a LMS.
I don't think anyone would not be more than 100% happy with a couple off PI18's in their living rooms or even Q18's for that matter.
I don't think when you compare diy subs like FI, dayton and mach audio etc... each and everyone wipes the floor with any commercial subs out there.
Whether the driver has been fully measured or not, you model it in winisd, build it and enjoy it.
Are you disputing the t/s parameters of every driver specs out there that all manufacturers quote.
Perhaps you should start building your own drivers then.
You are completely missing the entire point of my post. I have not said one bad thing about the PI18, as I have not heard the driver or seen any valid testing results. I have however compared a malx to an LMS and can say the LMS wins. I was fortunate enough to compare them in the same environment, with the same electronics, and same enclosures. How many others have done the same? This is my point. He is comparing two drivers that he hasn't heard and declaring one better than the other simply because one was reported to have 2mm more excursion.
While I agree with you on the availability standpoint of these drivers, that the maelx will never be produced again, there is still the problem that an intact PI18 has yet to make it into someones hands.
Furthermore, the last time that I checked, Maelstrom drivers did not vanish from this plane of existence, however they are no longer being produced. Your comparison also falls short when trying to say one driver is better because its an improvement on a previous design. I'm sure the new KIA's are an improvement on last years model, but would you buy one over a BMW? (don't read too deeply into the brand comparison there, I was only making a point regarding the original statement, and not the quality of any of the drivers)
All your post has done is further illustrate the lack of logic in the armchair fanboy club, which in my opinion, is no good for anyone. This is supposed to be a science forum, where we compare actual data and impressions on drivers, and not form baseless opinions on things without having any evidence one way or the other.