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Originally Posted by STR3T View Post

Knew I could count on you smile.gif Always so helpful here...

That's good info...I see it for $75 or so now...not bad. Assume you don't use HD Writer at all any longer?
When my camera was new I got into the habit of using HD Writer to do the initial transfer because it did a nice job of cataloging, allowed fast "lossless" minimal editing and let me put video back on the camcorder to use as a media player. I have two Sonys that have similar software.

My first step is to pull the card from any of the three cameras and plug it into the computer. Then I back up to an external HDD, put the card back in the camera and reformat. So in that sense, I continue to use HDWriter regularly, but not for "creative editing".

The reality is that I don't use the "big" Panasonic camera much. I've drifted into being a "pocket camera guy". I seem to get better video when I am not being so obvious as a "videographer". I don't mean picture quality, I mean video content quality. My primary camera is a Sony RX100. With it, I bring along a Sony HX9V because it will do a few things I like better.

It's true that, as I learn Premier Elements, Photoshop Elements and Lightroom, my goals are changing. I care less about the impeccable picture quality of HDWriter's lossless editing and more about story telling and content. As I said, the original transfer is with HDWriter (or the Sony equivalent) so that lossless editing always remains an option.

Bill
post #1322 of 1366
Hi everyone, I just recently discovered this forum and thought I would share a film I made using the HS900. It's a nature documentary about Yellowstone National Park, Grand Teton, Bryce, and Zion. My family and I vacationed there this past summer and we had a lot of fun making this.

https://vimeo.com/60137948
post #1323 of 1366
Jenny -any chance that a program you installed since the first, successful attempt at cueing is now interfering with Hd Writer?
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Does anyone know if the external mic supplies phantom power, or is it completely neutral? When I connect an external mic (actually a line-in from a board from a pair of flying mics) there is significant buzzing which almost completely drowns out the audio.

Just want to rule out any camera issues before we look at the mics.
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Originally Posted by garethkeenan View Post

Does anyone know if the external mic supplies phantom power, or is it completely neutral? When I connect an external mic (actually a line-in from a board from a pair of flying mics) there is significant buzzing which almost completely drowns out the audio.

Just want to rule out any camera issues before we look at the mics.

1. The mic input provides *plug-in" power, not phantom power. If the mic does not need plug-in power it will be okay. If it needs phantom power, you cannot use the input.

2. The board has a line out. The impedence of line out and mic outputs are completely different. The camera has a *mic* input not a line-in input. That is why you got lousy results. there are attachments you can get to input line output into a mic input.
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Are any of you having luck saving the original camcorder files onto a blu ray disc? HD Writer for some reason isn't recognizing the BD-R discs (even though it's supposed to). I'm not at all familiar with Adobe Elements and would hate to waste $70+.

Thanks in advance.
post #1327 of 1366
You guys w/Pana cams, shooting 1920x1080 60p.

Check Cyberlink PowerDirector 11.

They do have a trial version on the site.

Takes all your clips and does NOT transcode them if there is no need to.

No, I do not work for Cyberlink.
post #1328 of 1366
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Originally Posted by galileo2000 View Post

You guys w/Pana cams, shooting 1920x1080 60p.

Check Cyberlink PowerDirector 11.

They do have a trial version on the site.

Takes all your clips and does NOT transcode them if there is no need to.

No, I do not work for Cyberlink.

Thanks for the suggestion! Shortly worked with the trial version. Wish I could find something even more simple though. I don't need fancy animations or transitions. Just want something where I can throw all baby's camcorder clips on. Maybe even with chapters/titles, etc. With time I guess I could get PowerDirector down. I just don't have much of that. Wish I would have listened to Bill's advice and got this stuff down BEFORE the baby arrived.

Fry's has PowerDirector 11 Ultra on sale -- $89.99 - $60 rebate = $29.99! Seems like a good deal right?
Edited by maverick22 - 5/27/13 at 10:00am
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Don't know why it's taken me this long to try it (I guess I assumed it wouldn't work), but I think I figured out a method that will work for me. All I did was create a BD-R data disc. I simply dragged the video clips that I want into Roxio Media software that came with my PC, burn, and play in my ps3 or Sony blu ray player biggrin.gif. I'm happy--the original quality of the clips is kept, I don't have to mess with titles/chapters or any complicated software.

Anyone know of any software that lets you sort/organize your clips in an order of your choice though? Roxio automatically sets the order "by file name" when you drag your files into the software. I did have to re-name my clips to get them in a preferred order.

Glad I found this simple/quick method of saving my video clips!
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I find it hard to believe that the PS3 plays raw TM900 files correctly. Possibly because your burning a data disc. but unlikely. Take a closer look at your PS3 playback of those files, they may bog down at some point during playback, making the video look un-natural. The newer Sony BD players play raw TM900 files though.

You can try TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer. It will burn to Blu-Ray and you can organize your clips the way you want. You can add titles and transitions if you wish as well. It's a simple program that works fast and gets the job done.

http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr4_feature.html
post #1331 of 1366
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

I find it hard to believe that the PS3 plays raw TM900 files correctly. Possibly because your burning a data disc. but unlikely. Take a closer look at your PS3 playback of those files, they may bog down at some point during playback, making the video look un-natural. The newer Sony BD players play raw TM900 files though.

You can try TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer. It will burn to Blu-Ray and you can organize your clips the way you want. You can add titles and transitions if you wish as well. It's a simple program that works fast and gets the job done.

http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr4_feature.html

At first it seems like the ps3 "struggles" after I load a data disc. It seems like it needs some "loading time" or something after I insert the disc. After a couple minutes though the clips actually played great! You couldn't tell the difference between viewing directly from the camcorder vs. the data disc I made. Only thing is when one clip stopped you cannot go to the next one by pushing "next" on the ps3 remote like I assumed. You have to push "stop" on the remote, that takes you back to the list of clips, and you can just play from there. Works great for what I'm trying to do.

I'll check the program you recommended out. I am looking for something that doesn't change the original clip though. I would like to keep the original quality.

Thanks for your reply!
post #1332 of 1366
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Originally Posted by maverick22 View Post

At first it seems like the ps3 "struggles". It seems like it needs some "loading time" or something after I insert the disc. After a couple minutes though they actually played great! You couldn't tell the difference between viewing directly from the camcorder vs. the data disc I made. Only thing is when one clip stopped you cannot go to the next one by pushing "next" on the ps3 remote like I assumed. You have to push "stop" on the remote, that takes you back to the list of clips, and you can just play from there. Works great for what I'm trying to do.

I'll check the program you recommended out. I am looking for something that doesn't change the original clip though. I would like to keep the original quality.

Thanks for your reply!
A long time ago a guy named Steve Cebu posted here a lot. He has a TM900 (or similar). He found that in 1080p60 the bit rate is variable and can briefly peak above 40Mbps. His PS3, at the time, had firmware that he said could not handle above 35Mbps, or so. Consequently, when he played clips copied to DVDs as data, he would get occasional glitches on playback. Firmware may have changed. Other camera settings at lower bit rates did not give Steve a problem.

"Original quality" editors are very uncommon. It seems the prevailing idea is that most production professionals assume they will be improving the viewing experience with their editing skills. They think they actually add quality with their work. So, by definition, their chosen NLEs have to render, transcode or process. The only three exceptions that I have ever read about that does not render, transcode or process are Sony's PlayMemories Home, Panasonic's HDWriter and TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer. Even the most expensive and well known NLEs from Adobe, Sony and Apple will process, transcode or render the footage. Other than on this forum, I have never read of any experience with TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer. Nor have I used it.

Bill
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Good to hear from you, Bill. I am putting the original video clip files onto a BD-R disc, and other than the initial loading time, they play great--very smooth!

I'm happy as this is a very simple way to back up my clips in yet another way. Maybe Sony has newer firmware that helps with what I'm trying to do since Steve C. posted that. My ps3/TV has no problems playing the data disc.

Since I'm satisfied with the outcome, I think I'm done looking for software to create with titles/chapters/etc for now. I just work too much and spend my free time with my family. It's frustrating having to tinker with software trials!

I'm actually looking to see (probably not possible) if there's simply a burning program that lets you re-order your files after dragging them into the software. The default seems to be by filename for Roxio, and there's no way to change that. I have to manually re-name everything by number.
post #1334 of 1366
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Originally Posted by maverick22 View Post

I'm actually looking to see (probably not possible) if there's simply a burning program that lets you re-order your files after dragging them into the software. The default seems to be by filename for Roxio, and there's no way to change that. I have to manually re-name everything by number.
Since you wrote that I retried HDWriter. I re-ordered 5 clips, put them in a file and burned a Blu-Ray. It is simple and fast. Have you given up on it?

How is being a dad?

Bill
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

Since you wrote that I retried HDWriter. I re-ordered 5 clips, put them in a file and burned a Blu-Ray. It is simple and fast. Have you given up on it?

How is being a dad?

Bill

Could you explain a little more in detail how you did this please? I'm not too familiar with HD Writer. Did you just drag the clips from your folder in Windows to the software? For some reason HDWriter will not let me burn a blu ray disc. I forgot the error message. That was what I tried first. I searched online and seems no one else got a solution either.

Being a dad is amazing!! She just turned one last week. It's tiring, but well worth it!
Edited by maverick22 - 6/1/13 at 5:51am
post #1336 of 1366
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Originally Posted by maverick22 View Post

Could you explain a little more in detail how you did this please? I'm not too familiar with HD Writer. Did you just drag the clips from your folder in Windows to the software? For some reason HDWriter will not let me burn a blu ray disc. I forgot the error message. That was what I tried first. I searched online and seems no one else got a solution either.

Being a dad is amazing!! She just turned one last week. It's tiring, but well worth it!
My three kids are in their fortys! Now I get a couple of brilliant, charming and gorgeous granddaughters t play with. They have become good photographers and vidographers.

HD Writer won't work if you didn't use it to start with. If you have used it to import you clips, it opens with a tidy catalog. In mine everything is filed by shooting date. There is a "Edit Video" button. Pressing it allows you to drop clips into a row where you can rearrange them and cut off any bad parts. When you are done, it combines them in a new file with exactly the same quality and leaves the originals intact. There is another button, "Copy to Media" that will take the new file or a collection of files and creates a simple DVD or Blu-Ray. It did give me an error that said I had to "initialize" a blank Blue Ray disk. I did that and it worked.

If you didn't use HDWriter, Premier Elements has a "Quick" mode that is equally simple. You collect "Get Media" from anywhere on you computer, drop the clips to ribbon in any order you want, select "Share" and pick something. Adjustments are optional.

The absolute simplest way to enjoy your perfectly shot video clips is with a "WD TV Live". The $90 model takes any USB device, like an old external HDD or "thumb drive", and plays videos with a remote on a menu system. Since you probably have a HDD with backup copies of your precious video clips anyway, it is a "slam dunk" choice.

Bill
post #1337 of 1366
differences i have found:

SD900-TM900 compared with 700 series
BETTER
2 steps more high resolution
1 step more noise free
little more light sensitive
better menu selection
touch menu on LCD display
greater lcd display, better usable at difficult sight recording
viewfinder with much more resolution
fits better in the hand
looks like zoom lever is inproved
improved optical OIS
WORSE
battery's not compatible with 700 series
battery's only chargeble at camera, so you need to buy a extra charger to be complete

It looks like special this cam has the sharpest picture available, better than AG-HMC40 and 41, HMC130 & 160, and the newer consumer model X-900.
I have compared all these pictures by myself.
Just what I need, the best picture available for a consumer price.
Low light problems? I use my LED clip-on video light.

I am now testing in manual mode with pictures adjustments:
Try in manual mode in the recording menu, picture adjustment: the brightness one or 2 steps down. Try sharpness one or to steps up.
as soon as you press the iA button the normal value comes back so you can compare later the differences.
If you use manual mode you can also easy set: stereo recording on wind noise filter on
& different audio level settings which you need if you record orchestra's.

See some testrecordings of TM700 & TM900 on my youtube movies: http://www.youtube.com/bertpeter

Frits Meuris - Netherlands
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My TM700 was hit by a volleyball and suffered a cracked foldout screen! The camera still works using the eyepiece. But, because the foldout screen is now blank I am no longer able to delete videos from the onboard memory. Anybody have any ideas how to delete using the eyepiece screen? Or, as a last resort, being able to overturn the "read only" status of the memory while attached to a computer?
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I don't have that camera but do have a similar one, the Panasonic SDT-750 of the same vintage. With mine, you can plug directly into a TV with an HDMI cord and see an exact duplicate of what is on the fold out screen. Perhaps you can do that and use a TV to see what you need to do even though the fold out is blank.
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TV + remote? Not sure that remote allows full menu navigation, but this is a chance.
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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post

TV + remote? Not sure that remote allows full menu navigation, but this is a chance.
Brain fade! I forgot you have to touch the screen to navigate the menus!
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Have had a disaster and my TM900 with tripod was knocked over.
It seemed to survive but has left me with a couple of problems !
The main start / stop record button is no longer working and it doesn't seem to charge. I got round the start stop button by using the button on the fold out screen and can get an addition battery charger but is this something that could be repaired reasonably cheaply ? ANy suggestions on who could fix this ?
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I am using a mac with FCPX so cannot use the HD writer software.
I tried to back up my SD card by copying to a hard drive but I can't view the files in the private folder. The folder says it contains 12gb of info so the files are there but just seem unreadable. Is there anyway to recover those files ?
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Can you try putting the card itself in a card reader and working your way down the folder structure until you see the actual .m2ts files? Then copy the files. Copying the entire card is a waste of space because it drags useless stuff along when you do it that way.

Bill
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HD Writer Question:

Using HD Writer to edit my home videos from my TM900.
However, I took some AVCHD video with my Panasonic Lumix TM30 - it takes the same files (I thought) - m2ts.
I thought as they were both m2ts and Panasonic, that they'd both be able to be edited through hd writer. I'd like to compile a dvd from the videos off both cameras. However, after importing the video files from the Panasonic Lumix TM30, the files won't show up on HD writer.
It's driving me crazy. I've put the files in folders, they're not just loose files. I've stored them in the same location as my Tm900 files. They're appropriately named.
The folder names appear in the menu, but are greyed out, and with a '0' (amount of files) next to them, when there are actually dozens of files in the folders.

What can I do to make my HD writer 'see' my Panasonic Lumix TM30 files so I can edit them into the video?
post #1346 of 1366
Did the Lumix come with an application to import/edit/convert files created on the Lumix? You could see if that application will convert the files to something that HDWriter can use.

Also, look for any updates to these apps at http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/soft/index.html
post #1347 of 1366
No the Lumix came with a stupid, babyish Photo Fun Studio. It won't even let you do movie editing without one of their idiotic templates. Certainly doesn't convert, not that I have noticed, anyway.
You'd think if both files are .m2ts they'd be recognised. Panasonic, ....blegh. Fire the software developers.
post #1348 of 1366
Hi there,

1. Can someone point me towards a graph showing the various recording modes (Ha, Hg etc.) with their respective details - (25i 25p 50i etc,, mbps etc) and other details ?
I'm using alternative video editors, as suggested by your previous posts, but am using HA at the moment and can't find details of this mode in the user manual,...I want to be able to choose the correct output for video files.
I'm sure these details are in this forum somewhere but my search is not showing it.

2. As mentioned I'm trialling alternate video editors, Cyberlink, Magix etc. I am shooting with my TM900 in the HA1920 mode, and want to make the highest quality a) video file for backup and to watch on my pc or smart tv, and b) an avchd dvd to play on my bluray player. I don't understand video files really, and want to know which is the best output file...mpeg 4? mpeg2?... to maintain quality, can you shed some light on that for me?

Thanks,
Jenny
ps, learning so much from this thread, you guys are great.
post #1349 of 1366
I urgently need the little shoe that connects to the top of the camcorder, if anybody has a spare of if I could borrow it for this weekend I would be so greatful.

Cheers

James Welling
Speedysticks@gmail.com
post #1350 of 1366
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Originally Posted by speedysticks View Post

I urgently need the little shoe that connects to the top of the camcorder, if anybody has a spare of if I could borrow it for this weekend I would be so greatful.

Cheers

James Welling
Speedysticks@gmail.com

James - pretty sure this $5.99 Panasonic shoe adapter is what you need?

Bill
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