LG PASSIVE LW6500 dedicated thread... - Page 37

Thanks. Yeah, I saw that too but as we all know, that's not only a non-answer, it's flat out wrong! De-judder has nothing to do with noise so I suspect de-blur has nothing to do with "after-image" either.


Well, that begs the question: if it's different in 2D and 3D (and you can only select High, Low, and Off in 3D), then how do you get to these separate 3D settings? When you're in 3D mode and you access the menu, it forces you to end 3D mode in order to get to the setup menu. So I only see one set of TruMotion settings.

Mike

I'll look at the stand when I get home for the dimensions.

What exactly are you trying to figure out with regards to the bezel? The reflectiveness?

I'm not really sure. I guess reflectiveness and size. I'll see if I can find one in person to check out but I know the BB near me doesn't carry the 6500 models.

EDIT: I forgot to clarify in my earlier post - I'm interested in the 55WL6500. Not sure if the stands differ in size.

One more question:

- How is LG customer support? I feel like I haven't seen much feedback about it in this thread (which is probably a good thing!).

From post 194 by vegggas in this thread:

"The 3D settings are unique for each input as well and should be calibrated while in 3D Mode. Press the Quick Menu and then set video to make 3D adjustments."

While viewing a 3D Blu-ray ...

Press the LG Motion ENTER button to view the MENU screen ... & select ...

3D Option
---> Set Video
------> (Pick a video option, I use ...) Expert 2*
..............
----------------> TruMotion (I personally use OFF)

*NOTE: I calibrated my 2D & 3D video using HomeTheater.com results.

I verified the 2D settings/values with ...

1) Digital Video Basic Blu-ray w/Blue filter
2) Digital Video Essentials HD DVD & DVD w/Blue filter

---- ALL test screens were spot-on & LOOK GLORIOUS!!!


I visually verified the 3D settings/values with:

1) Avatar 3D
2) Megamind 3D
3) IMAX The Ultimate Wave 3D
4) Alice in Wonderland 3D
5) Pirates of the Caribbean On Stranger Tides 3D

---- ALL 3D Movies were exceptional - Avatar visual 3D was as good, if not better vs. the local Theater.

So has anyone gotten adventurous yet in the hidden menu and discovered if DTS decoding might be unlockable in there for USB port movies?

Thanks. That's one I missed! Although some of those settings look a bit odd. For example, when I switch to THX 3D Cinema mode, backlight is set to 100 yet it looks no brighter than the 2D setting at 50. Is it possible that some of those settings are offsets from the 2D settings? Like that brightness 100 setting is based on the current setting for 2D?

Mike

The stand is 21 1/2" x 13 1/2". It swivels a little bit left and right. I will say it is kind of wobbly on the stand. I would still use it if I hadn't hung it on the wall but still a bit wobbly (I have the 65").

No clue on LG customer support. Hope I never need to use it.

My favorite part of that article is the term "serious viewing". I imagine a room full of ATF agents analyzing video trying to make out a kingpin's face. "Dammit Charlie, how many times do I have to tell you to disable the Judder and Blur functions?"

Thanks a ton!

Has anyone bought the 55LW6500 very recently? It looks like it's sold out at all Best Buys within like a 3+ hour drive and they can't order one for me. Paul's TV is also sold out and has some on order, but for $400 more. Amazon is also essentially sold out. Gah! Wtf!

Need some help. Long story short I have been through 3 different LW5600s from Amazon. Two were damaged during shipping and one was sent back as a defect.

On at least two of the models (independent of the reasons for return) there was some noticeable clouding/uniformity issues (vertical light and shadow banding) while viewing soccer and football (mostly prominent during horizontal panning).

Is the LW6500 model a different panel than the 5600? Is there any reason to suspect that purchasing the 6500 would produce a different result? I am still having hard time discerning the differences between the two models, aside from the increased refresh rate of the 6500.

I guess what I am looking for is any insight on whether or not purchasing the 6500 would be justified given my past experiences with the 5600. Any advice/insight is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

I feel your pain. That's my only complaint about this set. It seems to be worse on the 65 inch model: do you have the 65? I notice the non-uniformity in exactly the places you mention. Whenever there's a scene of blue sky or any scene that has predominantly one color in the background and the scene pans, it is noticeable. Some people are more sensitive to the effect than others. While massaging the screen and cleaning it really only helps a little, it's still there.

What has helped for me is turning the screen on its stand so that it is pointing at the center of the viewing area. Being off to the side (viewing from an angle) really makes the effect much worse. Also try turning off TruMotion. I've found that ultra smooth panning doesn't help matters and really accentuates the non uniformity. With TruMotion off, you see the picture as the producers intended it and the slower frame rate actually helps to break up the motion just enough that the slight cloudiness/non-uniformity of this set is reduced. Try it. I also found that after all my massaging and "dusting" of the screen, it had actually made it dirty and put streaks on it. When I actually got out my flat screen cleaning fluid and really cleaned the screen (as opposed to just rubbing it with a dry microfiber towel), 50% of the non-uniformity went away when I "wet cleaned" it. Apparently I had made some non-uniformity just by fooling with it. Crazy because it looked clean as a mirror (the 65 inch model basically IS a mirror) but I guess I introduced a little haziness I couldn't see that was cleaned off with a real cleaning.

I've gotten used to it I guess and have "trained" myself not to worry about it. Hard to unsee it once you've seen it but eventually you realize it's just a tradeoff of this kind of set.

Mike

That is quite strange. So while in 3D mode when you switch the settings from the 3D options (Quick Menu) to low or high trumotion you don't see a blank screen? When I do this I notice a black screen and then the 3D appears smoother even when paused at a specific scene. I noticed that the scan lines disappear at least from typical viewing distances. I'm not saying its perfectly 1080p, in fact I can tell its not quite 1080p but the image quality has been improved it seems. The 3D image never bothered me before the update, I was ok with the set being less than 1080p. Granted I think all those claims of half resolution are also not true, I believe its somewhere in between and the loss of resolution was not as significant as many claimed it to be. With that being said, I think the new algorithm does improve the image a little bit more in 3D mode be removing the distracting scan lines, still not quite 1080p but too far from it. Is there anyone else that tried this? I know I see a difference for sure, the screen even blacks out momentarily when switching trumotion on/off while in 3D viewing. Anyone else out there try this?

I don't know what you are seeing, but it's definitely not what I'm seeing. There's a physical filter over each scan line. Every other line is going to be black for each eye, period. Those black lines can never be anything BUT black. No firmware in the world is going to change that. My screen doesn't go black when I change the 3d trumotion either. No change is observed whatsoever. Every other line is still black. I don't think it matters much because if you add both eyes together, the full 1080p is there.

Mike

See my other post about this ... LG firmware update changes things a little - left eye used to only see information from even lines. This is still true (left eye through passive will never see odd lines). What they changed is the information that it displayed in those even lines. Row 1 will alternately show information from source row 1 and 2. Row 3 will show rows 3 and 4. They do this is really quickly. Yes ... its still nowhere close to full 1080 lines ... but its closer.

I have a Vizio that does not have this feature (or perhaps it does ... since it will not allow me to change TrueMotion when 3D is enabled) ... but I am extremely happy with the performance. No jaggies or blank lines when viewed from 6 feet away. I would never trade it for active glasses .. its just too inconvenient for lazy folks in my house who can't even remember to put their iPhone for charging at the end of the day.

I have a question for my new TV.

I haven't gotten out of the box yet,(hopefully today, waiting on old huge Rear projection going out the door today.)

But when I hook up things (Tivo, PS3, etc) via HDMI, (and then a couple things via composite like a Wii) and then I take a optical cable and go from the TV out (optical) to my Rx, will it send all the audio for what ever device(input) I am on to the Rx? Will it pass-through 5.1? 7.1?. Or do i need to hook up each device to the tv via hdmi and then directly to the Rx with their own optical cables (has multiple inputs) I was just hoping I could set the Rx to one input, and then have the TV do all the output and audio switching (alleviating the need for my fancy harmony universal remote lol.)

Thanks in advance. :0

Also as a side note... Does anyone have a link to the best "recommended" calibration settings for the TV??

Again, I'd like a link to any official proof of this. I don't think that's what it is doing at all. I've looked very closely even at the scanline level and see no evidence of this happening with TruMotion on or off. In fact, even if they did that, I'm not sure it would improve anything other than softening what goes to each eye a little due to the blending. Every other line is still going to appear black in each eye.

Mike

Mchaney - did you get my PM? I wasn't sure if it went through. Sure would appreciate any advice/input you have on my questions, I'm pretty sure I'm pulling the trigger this week...


BTW, for anyone on the fence, the 55 LW6500 (and I assume the other sizes too) are on sale this week at BB through their Magnolia rooms. Not advertised, but when I was looking at the TV the manager mentioned the sale and said he would check prices - $1499!!! Actually $100 cheaper than the 5600 because of the anniversary sale they are running... Even with tax, cheaper than even anything online I've seen. They are backordered until middle of next month, but I can wait for that deal...

I've seen pricing etc. in other posts, so assumed it was okay to let everyone know, but if it's against the rules then moderators feel free to delete this...

Scott

Yep, just replied. Since it pretty well sums up my opinion of the 65LW6500, I'd might as well post it here too (I pasted my reply to you below). Maybe it'll be helpful to some even though my opinion is just that... one more "reviewer's" opinion:

Some of what you ask I couldn't venture a guess because I've not seen the Toshiba. If it's any consolation, we all do the "Monday Morning Quarterback" thing. I sometimes wonder if the passive Vizio LCD's might have better light uniformity for example, and wonder if I should have tried one of those instead of the LG. Every show I watch, I see at least a half dozen scenes (mostly panning scenes) where you can see the poor uniformity of the screen in the form of some faint clouding. I can't unsee that but I've gotten to the point that it doesn't distract me much.

I think it's like anything else tech related. You have to pick your battles. None of the current sets are perfect and all have some tradeoffs. It's like buying a car when you know every car will have 6 door dings. So you pick the one where the dings are least noticeable to YOU. Not having seen the Toshiba, I'd venture a guess that it's probably pretty close to the LG. I know LG has the spotlight, maybe because they lead the way in the passive 3D arena. I don't know, but I can tell you that I would not classify the HD on the LG as anything higher than mediocre. It's good. It might even be a notch higher than "average" (whatever that is), but picture-wise, the LG is really no better than my 3 year old 65 inch Sharp Aquos LCD that it replaced... although the Sharp was about $1000 more than this LG. I got it for the 3D, which is nice, but other than that, my honest opinion on the LG 6500's is about this: "Eh, they're pretty good. Nothing special in 2D, but the 3D excels."

I don't know if the THX modes do anything more than set specific settings that, when you know them, you could do in other modes. I definitely AM impressed by the amount of hacking you can do on these sets. That's something I like to do so that really suits my needs. Feature wise and hackability-wise, I'm really happy with the set and I think it is at the top in that regard. My prior "whatever" attitude was WRT picture quality. I've seen better. But the THX modes do make it easy to get really good (accurate) color which is nice.

Sound wise, I have an older Yamaha. It does have HDMI switching but I got it just before they supported 1080p so it's useless to me in that regard. I simply run the optical Toslink to it and I'm happy. I have an aversion to using TV speakers. It's almost like wearing your underwear on the outside of your pants.

The input lag: I really don't think you have to label the input as "Game". That was someone's idea but I suspect it's a myth that it really does anything. It's nothing but a text label so it doesn't affect other features (you can get to them all). What does affect features is when you choose the "Game" picture mode in the video settings. When you do that, you're limited to only basic controls. I play Xbox 360 with another guy and we play on the same two sets (his/mine alternating) every week and neither of us have noticed any problem with lag even when the set is using the THX mode. Lag is about 65ms on that mode... and we don't notice. There are so many laggy things going on with online multiplayer that 65ms isn't really bad. Maybe if you are Americas #1 gamer.

You said BB has the 5600's. You've looked at those to compare with your Toshiba, haven't you? That should give you some idea of how the Toshiba would compare with the 6500's.

To sum it up... I like the LG and I love the ability to customize it, but I don't think anyone is going to argue that the 2D HD picture is a contender for any "best in category" awards. The light non-uniformity bothers me but I've learned to live with it. For 2D HD, I prefer a plasma, like a Panasonic GT30 unless viewing in a bright room in which case the race is close. For 3D, I far prefer the LG set. So it's a tradeoff.

Oh, and as to the settings, you can have separate 2D and 3D settings. The TV switches between the two seamlessly so once you set your 2D prefs and your 3D prefs, nothing has to be done manually.

Kind of a random mind meld, but those are my thoughts.

Mike

I had got mime through amazon (vanns provided it) for $1499 no tax or shipping cost about 2 weeks ago.

any body got any dummy proof calibration setting for the tv just got it yesterday picture sucks

Ok, so I got it all hooked up and even went to the service menu and turned on the 5.1 passthrough... However the PS3 has sounds on the menus and the videos I play from the XMB but not when I play a game.... Whats the deal??

I have a Vizio LCD (not LED) set and after I got done calibrating it ... my 2D sources look fantastic. There is no obvious light bleeding from the sides. No uniformity issues that I can detect. The blacks are extremely black. 1080p from the PS3 is tack sharp. The pleasant shock is that my 480i sources (Comcast SD) ... have never looked this good. Of course, 3D looks great as well. All watching is done in a dark room with a 6500K white ambient light placed BEHIND the TV.

If anyone owns a Vizio Passive set ... please try my settings ...

http://mirror3.avsforum.com/avs-vb/s...9#post21051319

Not official ... but a good test/review was done by these guys ... and that's where I read about the inner workings of that firmware ...

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/LG...V-review.shtml

Can anyone expand on the light uniformity issues? Is this referring to the light bleeding from the edges, or jaggedness/stepping when viewing larger areas with solid colors, or actual fluctuations in the brightness of certain areas of the screen? And is it constant or more determined by picture source and type?

I have a Toshiba now, which I'm about to return, and I honestly haven't noticed anything like that, so wondering if this is another LCD/LED trait or something specific to the LG in general or something in individual units to be aware of.


Also, I'm seeing the 5600/5700 for a few hundred less at a few places. Are there enough differences between those and the 6500 to justify getting the 6500? Or is it just the refresh rate? In other words, everything else is exactly the same - software, firmware, pic quality, and ability to get into the service menu and enable certain features as discussed here and elsewhere?


Thanks!
Scott

ok does anyone here in nyc area who does tv calibrations would love some help..thanks

I bought mine from jr.com
They have them in stock.

Couple questions...

1) can you use real cinema with the hacked THX bright room picture setting?

2) what page is the massaging technique on? Or a link? I can't seem to find it and I might try it as both corners on the right side have some light leakage. Left side is perfect.

Thanks!

i just came off amazon says its in stock and i just got mine 2 days ago

Maybe someone can help. I've looked everywhere and don't see a good explanation of how to turn on 5.1 passthrough. I've got the service menu and all the THX settings on (very happy with that) but I'm not sure where to turn on 5.1. I tried doing both the AAC and PPM settings where they all say OK. Is there something in the regular menu I still need to turn on because I haven't seen it? I have the 65LW6500 btw if it makes a difference.