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post #1831 of 2467
1/19/12 at 1:39pm
Hello LW6500 users,

I'm in the process of gathering information on whether this series of tvs exhibits the same problems that other LG passive tvs have in 3D specifically 3d gaming because the user usually adds high amounts of depth and the tv has adds some kind of processing similar to motion adaption that causes the tv to show a colored or clear grey ghosting in 3d gaming.

The benefits to this test is you will have additional knowledge in playing a majority of your pc games in 3D and at the same time help the community.

So if interested, please pm me, it does take some time to learn how to get setup for someone new to this, but I'll gladly help you get started.
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post #1832 of 2467
1/19/12 at 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by gooddad View Post

My 55lw6500 is saying latest update is 04.02.28. Is that the current update you're showing? If so, my set is still putting out 5.1 via optical.. Even thru my Netflix app. And my ps3.

Yes, that's the update I have. Having just gone through my entire queue, apparently it is not the set but Netflix itself. All titles that were previously noted as 5.1 have been downgraded to ProLogic. Only episodes of the original STAR TREK series still output 5.1. So it still works...it's just that NF has removed 5.1 for a ton of titles.
Part of their on-going quest to tick off as many subscribers as they can, I guess.
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post #1833 of 2467
1/20/12 at 1:02am
Concerning Dolby Digital output from Netflix and Amazon Prime I have a question. I have Optical out from my TV to my Pioneer Elite receiver for Surround Sound. I have a DirecTv receiver that I input Audio and Video to my TV via HDMI and when I am watching any TV show that has DD I do indeed get DD out from TV via the Optical Cable to my Receiver. However I can't get any DD from a Steaming feed via Ethernet Cable from Amazon or Netflix I only get Stereo. I have 6.0 DSL so I think I have the bandwidth to get DD so my question is there some setting some where I need to turn on for get DD from a Streaming source? I am getting my Internet feed via Linksys Hub and not directly from my Router if that makes any difference.

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post #1834 of 2467
1/20/12 at 6:17am
Over-the-air (OTA) and "In The Clear" Cable channels encoded in Dolby Digital 5.1 will typically be out from most HDTV's via optical/coaxial to a receiver. Some don't output Dolby Digital 5.1 from set top boxes plugged into them via HDMI although thankfully that is changing. For internet based content, most can offer 5.1 encoding output if it's available in the firmware. If not, a firmware update could allow it. This type of change/update is based on decisions of both the manufacturer of the HDTV/device and the service/app provider. It's possible the current versions of the 'apps' on your particular device don't all support 5.1 output at this time. It's difficult to say trying to cover every device and every app combination out there.
Still, keep checking settings and contacting other owners to be sure.
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post #1835 of 2467
1/20/12 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by RonH54 View Post

Concerning Dolby Digital output from Netflix and Amazon Prime I have a question. I have Optical out from my TV to my Pioneer Elite receiver for Surround Sound. I have a DirecTv receiver that I input Audio and Video to my TV via HDMI and when I am watching any TV show that has DD I do indeed get DD out from TV via the Optical Cable to my Receiver. However I can't get any DD from a Steaming feed via Ethernet Cable from Amazon or Netflix I only get Stereo. I have 6.0 DSL so I think I have the bandwidth to get DD so my question is there some setting some where I need to turn on for get DD from a Streaming source? I am getting my Internet feed via Linksys Hub and not directly from my Router if that makes any difference.

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Update: I do get DD on Streaming Feeds that have it. I was assuming that if I was watching a Streaming Show that was listed as "HD" it would also have DD audio but I was wrong. I decided to try to watch the original Star Trek TV show and it indeed does send DD via Optical out to my Receiver. So only certain Streaming Shows will actually have DD audio. My Bad.
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post #1836 of 2467
1/20/12 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by RonH54 View Post

Update: I do get DD on Streaming Feeds that have it. I was assuming that if I was watching a Streaming Show that was listed as "HD" it would also have DD audio but I was wrong. I decided to try to watch the original Star Trek TV show and it indeed does send DD via Optical out to my Receiver. So only certain Streaming Shows will actually have DD audio. My Bad.

You don't find that it lags? I turned on the 5.1 pass through in the service menu and noticed there was considerable lag in the audio. Even the a/v sync settings did not have enough range (max 5, needs about 7) to bring it back to proper sync.

Rob
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post #1837 of 2467
1/20/12 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Rob_G View Post

You don't find that it lags? I turned on the 5.1 pass through in the service menu and noticed there was considerable lag in the audio. Even the a/v sync settings did not have enough range (max 5, needs about 7) to bring it back to proper sync.

Rob

The only time I notice some Lag is with Certain stations and certain shows. I have a local affiliate that reruns "Two and Half Men" and "Big Bang Theory" and I see some Lag there but I don't see the Lag on these shows when they are shown at their regular times and regular Network. I also see Lag on some Locally Produced TV sports shows. Overall I will say I don't really have much Lag problems though.
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post #1838 of 2467
1/21/12 at 6:10pm
I am having trouble with my set shutting off by itself. It seems to be just random, the video will freeze and you can still here the audio for just a couple seconds. Then it shuts itself off and then comes back on by itself. When you look in the in-start menu it says that POWER_OFF_BY_NO_POLLING. I found a training manual and it says that means "power off when receiving no acknowledge". Still don't know what all this means. Anyone having any ideas ?
I hope it not a setting that I changed in the service menu or in-start menu. Could anyone possibly that has access to these menus take a picture of the different stock setting so that I can check these and make sure I didn't change anything that I shouldn't. Would love to find a way to revert these back to original settings but nothing seems to reset everything. Any help would be appreciated.
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post #1839 of 2467
1/21/12 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by HankHill View Post

Has anybody bought or plan on buying an extended warranty?
I'm on the fence and haven't bought, they are pretty reasonable.

I bought one through Square Trade a couple weeks back. They had a coupon code for 20% off and also offered an additional 4th year for a total of about $139
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post #1840 of 2467
1/21/12 at 8:04pm
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I'll be getting a 5year warranty on my 55lw6500 from amazon for $179. I think that's an AWESOME price... Bought the tv from amazon in October for $1399 shipping and taxes included. Could not be happier with my set... Have some friends coming over Xmas day to
Watch the Nba games.

I was going to get the Amazon one too but then I read that it was only for Amazon purchased TVs and I got mine from Newegg (w/ XBox bundle)
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post #1841 of 2467
1/21/12 at 10:13pm
Just got my 55LW6500 this morning. I got a good deal on it but sadly the Japanese model is kinda basic, no widgets "that I can find yet" I sure hope there are some but doubt it. My Sony LX900 only had Youtube.

It's all in Japanese, I couldn't find a way to change it to English. I can read some but not enough to really fool with picture quality and all.

So I am wondering how to update "if I wanna update" reading through here it may take away some popout? I also wonder, can I update via USB with an American firmware and possibly make my TV in English? Doubt it but worth an ask.

Also curious about hacking getting THX and all but no clue if it will work on a Japanese version and can't find Harmony remotes here. I'm kinda dumb to program another remote so any ideas?
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post #1842 of 2467
1/22/12 at 9:10am
For those with the 65" model how do u like the 2d pq? Also, the display model at best buy is messed up with a thick black vertical line on the right side of screen, any reports of issues like this being common? Makes me leary as last year i bought an lg plasma which had that exact same thing happen and couldnt be repaired so after seeing this 65" with same issue im not sure i want to go with lg again.
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post #1843 of 2467
1/23/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by Rob_G View Post

You don't find that it lags? I turned on the 5.1 pass through in the service menu and noticed there was considerable lag in the audio. Even the a/v sync settings did not have enough range (max 5, needs about 7) to bring it back to proper sync.

Rob

Maybe it was a NF problem. It appears that the DD option that was removed from most films have been mostly restored. Checked one out and it seems to be in-synch now.
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post #1844 of 2467
1/24/12 at 1:30am
Sadly I am not very happy with my LG 6500. Don't get me wrong, the 3D is great. When I saw it at the store I was blown away by the popout and brightness. I thought it would be so much better than my Sony.. Reading the reviews and post here I was sure I bought a damn good TV. I had to wait 2 weeks to even get the TV, and it was driving me nuts!

But... After using it 3 days the flashlighting is terrible! I can't even believe a TV with this much flashlighting can be sold here in Japan. Never have I bought a TV with this much flashlighting, nor even seen one this bad.
I even loosened the screws on the back like some suggested and massaged it as well. Nothing at all has worked. It looks like total crap! I tried watching My Bloody Valentine and was annoyed by the horrible bright white light on the bottom left and top right.

I took a photo to show everyone just how bad this is,

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/photohc.jpg

What do you guys think? And to make matters worse, here in Japan when they deliver your TV they take the box. Looks like I need to call the store and see what can be done. I am very unhappy, and hell I just bought a new TV stand for this TV
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post #1845 of 2467
1/24/12 at 7:52am
since the 47LW6500 is 240hz does it have a depper eye popping 3d effect then the LW5600 120hz?
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post #1846 of 2467
1/24/12 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Sadly I am not very happy with my LG 6500. Don't get me wrong, the 3D is great. When I saw it at the store I was blown away by the popout and brightness. I thought it would be so much better than my Sony.. Reading the reviews and post here I was sure I bought a damn good TV. I had to wait 2 weeks to even get the TV, and it was driving me nuts!

But... After using it 3 days the flashlighting is terrible! I can't even believe a TV with this much flashlighting can be sold here in Japan. Never have I bought a TV with this much flashlighting, nor even seen one this bad.
I even loosened the screws on the back like some suggested and massaged it as well. Nothing at all has worked. It looks like total crap! I tried watching My Bloody Valentine and was annoyed by the horrible bright white light on the bottom left and top right.

I took a photo to show everyone just how bad this is,

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/photohc.jpg

What do you guys think? And to make matters worse, here in Japan when they deliver your TV they take the box. Looks like I need to call the store and see what can be done. I am very unhappy, and hell I just bought a new TV stand for this TV

That is pretty bad, far worse than mine. I would return it or place a warranty call.

Rob
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post #1847 of 2467
1/24/12 at 9:41am
My 55LW6500 has a few 'blotches' in the screen which affects image uniformity. Just left of the center of the screen, is a spot that is about the size of a large thumbprint (cdn loonie dollar coin) where it is noticeably brighter (%10?) than anywhere else on the screen. Even further left of that, there are dark spots of about the same size where it's noticeably darker. The bright spot is sometimes noticeable when watching movies, especially on darker scenes. Looking at a grey test screen, there are also faint sweeping vertical bands/lines which clearly affect image uniformity when watching movies with bright (sky blue) backgrounds. I always notice these lines/bands....

I'm just not sure it's worth it to risk a worse display with a service visit or just live with the defects of this panel. I've been happy with it otherwise.

Rob
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post #1848 of 2467
1/24/12 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by nvidia101 View Post

since the 47LW6500 is 240hz does it have a depper eye popping 3d effect then the LW5600 120hz?

I have a 47LW6500 and haven't viewed a LW5600 but I will go out on a limb and say no.
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post #1849 of 2467
1/24/12 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Sadly I am not very happy with my LG 6500. Don't get me wrong, the 3D is great. When I saw it at the store I was blown away by the popout and brightness. I thought it would be so much better than my Sony.. Reading the reviews and post here I was sure I bought a damn good TV. I had to wait 2 weeks to even get the TV, and it was driving me nuts!

But... After using it 3 days the flashlighting is terrible! I can't even believe a TV with this much flashlighting can be sold here in Japan. Never have I bought a TV with this much flashlighting, nor even seen one this bad.
I even loosened the screws on the back like some suggested and massaged it as well. Nothing at all has worked. It looks like total crap! I tried watching My Bloody Valentine and was annoyed by the horrible bright white light on the bottom left and top right.

I took a photo to show everyone just how bad this is,

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/photohc.jpg

What do you guys think? And to make matters worse, here in Japan when they deliver your TV they take the box. Looks like I need to call the store and see what can be done. I am very unhappy, and hell I just bought a new TV stand for this TV


That is about how bad mine was when I first got it home except mine had real bad upper left and lower right bright spots.

Since hanging it, then taking it down and losening the screws (all of them) othe back and massaging the screen, then re-hanging it, then turning on the THX settings and setting LED local dimming to medium... Now mine is all but gone. The funny thing is the longer it hung on the wall... The more the flash-lighting seemed to fade away.

I am very happy with my 55LW6500 now.
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post #1850 of 2467
1/24/12 at 6:09pm
Hi. Sorry for the dumb question. How does one massage the screen?
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post #1851 of 2467
1/25/12 at 12:37am
I wish I could hang mine on the wall, but I live in a apartment mansion and don't wanna drill into the walls here.

I made the THX settings and nothing changed, loosened all the screws and massaged it even more. But nothing has helped. An LG repair man will come check it out and they said if its bad they can replace it. I'll see what happens.
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post #1852 of 2467
1/25/12 at 7:41am
does the 6500 have higher inpute lag then the 5600 in games?
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post #1853 of 2467
1/25/12 at 11:31am
I just received the 65 inch version and there is one big flaw for me. It is a glass screen, I thought this had a matte one. As much as I want to keep it the reflections are going to drive me insane. It might have to go back. Do the smaller versions have a matte screen?
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post #1854 of 2467
1/25/12 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by ssgmun5000 View Post

I just received the 65 inch version and there is one big flaw for me. It is a glass screen, I thought this had a matte one. As much as I want to keep it the reflections are going to drive me insane. It might have to go back. Do the smaller versions have a matte screen?

Yes the smaller versions have matte finish and 240hz.
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post #1855 of 2467
1/25/12 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by Darth Indy View Post

Yes the smaller versions have matte finish and 240hz.

Best way to clean the matte finish screens???
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post #1856 of 2467
1/25/12 at 3:12pm
Sorry if this has already been mentioned as I haven't gone through every page, though I did try a search.

Have many noticed the issue with the TRUMOTION having stuttering problems on 1080/60i based material? It seems pretty good at smoothing 24p based material (60i with 2/3 pulldown) provided the de-judder is set low (2), but on 60i material it seems to stutter on areas with low motion, as if it was unsure as to how to interpolate frames. Darker images may be more pronounced.

This occurs on the internal tuner, external HDMI in and from playing files from a thumb drive. With the TRUMOTION turned completely off it's OK, though having REAL CINEMA will still introduce some artifacts on faster motion. This latter problem looks more like de-interlacing problems. Turning both off eliminates the problems. The artifacts on 60i are far more noticeable from the TRUMOTION.

I've set TRUMOTION in USER to various settings including both de-judder and de-blur to zero with REAL CINEMA both off and on, but this issue is still there. I've tested it on other lw6500s in stores as well as lw5600s and lw5700s (Costco) and found the same issue. However, on a lw5500 (non 3D model) this problem did not exist, even with TRUMOTION set to high.

I don't know whether this difference is due to a change in hardware on the 3D displays, or whether this is a firmware issue and perhaps introduced with updates. Obviously a solution is to leave the TRUMOTION turned off on 60i and enable it if desired on 24p material, but that is very inconvenient if not impractical as it requires scrolling through the menu with several clicks. Even if the judder reduction wasn't used, it would be nice to be able to leave on the de-blur.

Just to be clear, the 24p material mentioned is in 60i format. It's odd that the 24p based material actually looks smoother than 60i based video.

The other issue is stripes across the image from the edge lighting. This seems to be this particular display as the ones in the stores (5600s, 5700s and 6500s) do not have this issue. It's quite noticeable on a flat test pattern.

It also seems to have quite a bit of side light dropoff, and is not all that bright when used in a brighter room. A 6 year old 37" Vizio at 70% backlight (CCFL)is far brighter and has much less side light dropoff. I know it's backlit, but I would have thought by now LED edge lit would have at least matched a low end set that is 6 years old. Without local dimming, the blacks on the LG isn't much better than the Vizio.
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post #1857 of 2467
1/25/12 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by RSF_LA View Post

Sorry if this has already been mentioned as I haven't gone through every page, though I did try a search.

Have many noticed the issue with the TRUMOTION having stuttering problems on 1080/60i based material? It seems pretty good at smoothing 24p based material (60i with 2/3 pulldown) provided the de-judder is set low (2), but on 60i material it seems to stutter on areas with low motion, as if it was unsure as to how to interpolate frames. Darker images may be more pronounced.

This occurs on the internal tuner, external HDMI in and from playing files from a thumb drive. With the TRUMOTION turned completely off it's OK, though having REAL CINEMA will still introduce some artifacts on faster motion. This latter problem looks more like de-interlacing problems. Turning both off eliminates the problems. The artifacts on 60i are far more noticeable from the TRUMOTION.

I've set TRUMOTION in USER to various settings including both de-judder and de-blur to zero with REAL CINEMA both off and on, but this issue is still there. I've tested it on other lw6500s in stores as well as lw5600s and lw5700s (Costco) and found the same issue. However, on a lw5500 (non 3D model) this problem did not exist, even with TRUMOTION set to high.

I don't know whether this difference is due to a change in hardware on the 3D displays, or whether this is a firmware issue and perhaps introduced with updates. Obviously a solution is to leave the TRUMOTION turned off on 60i and enable it if desired on 24p material, but that is very inconvenient if not impractical as it requires scrolling through the menu with several clicks. Even if the judder reduction wasn't used, it would be nice to be able to leave on the de-blur.

Just to be clear, the 24p material mentioned is in 60i format. It's odd that the 24p based material actually looks smoother than 60i based video.

The other issue is stripes across the image from the edge lighting. This seems to be this particular display as the ones in the stores (5600s, 5700s and 6500s) do not have this issue. It's quite noticeable on a flat test pattern.

It also seems to have quite a bit of side light dropoff, and is not all that bright when used in a brighter room. A 6 year old 37" Vizio at 70% backlight (CCFL)is far brighter and has much less side light dropoff. I know it's backlit, but I would have thought by now LED edge lit would have at least matched a low end set that is 6 years old. Without local dimming, the blacks on the LG isn't much better than the Vizio.

I also noticed the same on 60i sources on my 55LW6500. Also on the stripes, yes but not so bad when local dimming is set to medium.

These sets are far from perfect for sure. I had a Pioneer 50" Kuro that I sold just so I could get into some Passive 3D. At first I was blown away with the brightness and the 3D of this set but then I was disappointed with the black level and the flash-lighting. After some tweaking thanks to early posts in this thread I am much more happy with the set. Is it perfect? No... but it is the nature of edge-lit LED. I knew this going into the swap so I can live with the trade off. Watching regular HDTV (both OTA and Cable) have never looked better, plus some of the 3D I have watch has been spectacular (Mega Mind, Shrek-4 plus some even some cool 3D on YouTube!). Would I try and watch Bladerunner on this set again??? Probably not as it is to dark and would show to many artifacts with the "stripes", but then I have my 130" 2.35:1 theater to watch movies like that so I can live with it.

Now what I would like to know is why my set, every time I set the aspect ratio to 16x9 and I shut it off and come back to watch TV it is set back at "Just Scan"????? Why does it do this???

Thoughts?
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post #1858 of 2467
1/25/12 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

Yes, that's the update I have. Having just gone through my entire queue, apparently it is not the set but Netflix itself. All titles that were previously noted as 5.1 have been downgraded to ProLogic. Only episodes of the original STAR TREK series still output 5.1. So it still works...it's just that NF has removed 5.1 for a ton of titles.
Part of their on-going quest to tick off as many subscribers as they can, I guess.

4.02.62 is the latest overall.
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post #1859 of 2467
1/25/12 at 7:53pm
55LW6500 here. Does anyone else notice phantom vertical bars in the background that are about 7 inches apart? They are particularly visible in bright scenes, such as snow or a blue sky.
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1/25/12 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalKnight View Post

Now what I would like to know is why my set, every time I set the aspect ratio to 16x9 and I shut it off and come back to watch TV it is set back at "Just Scan"????? Why does it do this???

Thoughts?

Wouldn't "Just Scan" be the preferable setting? 16x9 seems to introduce over-scan and therefore scaling.
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