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post #2131 of 2480
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Originally Posted by JLennerth View Post

I got the reply from LG about solving gaming lag. I thought I'd share it.


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I haven't tried this yet but idk if it'll work for me bevause I am using optical out of my Xbox so if there was an audio lag adjusting


Thank you for taking the time to contact us. I am delighted to hear from you as our valued customer. I will be more than happy to assist you with your inquiry. We have to ways to solve that issue first I want you to try this.
What resolution is the game consol set on and what is the resolution of the game itself?
Are you using a High Speed HDMI CABLE?

To fix the LAG issue we can try changing the input label to “PC”. Ok follow these steps please.

1- Press INPUT to access the input sources.
2- Press the GREEN button.
3- Press the Navigation buttons to scroll to one of the input sources and choose PC.

If that does not work try this please.
1 Press Home to access the Home menu.
2 Press the Navigation buttons to scroll to SETUP and press ENTER.
3 Press the Navigation buttons to scroll to AUDIO and press ENTER.
4 Press the Navigation buttons to scroll to the setting or option you want and press ENTER. - To return to the previous level, press BACK.
-select AV sync.
-If the video and sound are not synced, you can adjust it manually.
»»(-) setting : Make audio output faster than the default.
»»(+) setting : Make audio output slower than the default.
5 When you are finished, press EXIT.

I hope this information is helpful, please do not hesitate to contact us back if you have any other inquiry. I will gladly assist you.

Thank you for contacting LG and please enjoy the rest of your day.


I don't think this'll work because I am using optical out put for sound so adjusting sound on the tv will not fix a lag if that's what they mean.


One last thing, is there a way to control the depth of the 3d image with a slide bar or something in the options menu or it that stuff all auto controlled?
post #2132 of 2480
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Originally Posted by JLennerth View Post


I don't think this'll work because I am using optical out put for sound so adjusting sound on the tv will not fix a lag if that's what they mean.

One last thing, is there a way to control the depth of the 3d image with a slide bar or something in the options menu or it that stuff all auto controlled?

You know you can fix that so the AV Sync is for the optical hookup right? Thing is you have to go tv to receiver and not 360 to receiver...


That said it still doesn't answer my question I had for him/her on what setting to put the av sync on....


Right now sitting at 125/96 a/v lag in Rock Band 3
post #2133 of 2480
I get a slight lag from from my tv speaker when I have my surround sound system on .. I simply mute the tv and it diminishes the lag. It's still there but it's nothing that drives me crazy. I cannot sync up the audio exactly when I adjust it in the sound menu so I turn off av sync. I've also had my son play cod mw3 on my set and he says there is never a lag. And he's a avid gamer
post #2134 of 2480
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Originally Posted by gooddad View Post

I get a slight lag from from my tv speaker when I have my surround sound system on .. I simply mute the tv and it diminishes the lag. It's still there but it's nothing that drives me crazy. I cannot sync up the audio exactly when I adjust it in the sound menu so I turn off av sync. I've also had my son play cod mw3 on my set and he says there is never a lag. And he's a avid gamer

Try picking up a music and rhythm timing based game....

The RB2 guitar is the easiest way to study lag because of the mic and camera that are inside the guitar...MUCH better than what the naked eye or skills could tell....

And like I said, regardless of what I do, still a substantial amount of lag
post #2135 of 2480
I bought this remote:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

can someone direct me to the post on how to program this specific remote for the 65LW6500 as well as what other features I want to unlock besides local dimming, thx bright room and cinema?
post #2136 of 2480
I bought this remote: "RCA RCRN04GR what do I want to unlock? Thx bright room and cinema, idk if I should unlock local dimming or not.
post #2137 of 2480
I'm one click away from buy the 65LW6500 from Amazon, but I'm concerned that the 65LM6200 will be a vast improvement. Do any of you know the exact difference between the two, and if it's worth getting the LM over the LW? The price different is going to be $1,000.

Thanks!
post #2138 of 2480
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Originally Posted by ECastro View Post

I'm one click away from buy the 65LW6500 from Amazon, but I'm concerned that the 65LM6200 will be a vast improvement. Do any of you know the exact difference between the two, and if it's worth getting the LM over the LW? The price different is going to be $1,000.

Thanks!

The easiest way to figure this out is to go to either the LG or a site like CNET and compare the tv's to find out the differences and similarities and then decide whether it's worth the 1k....

I would imagine there would have to be MANY differences for me to drop an extra 1k on a tv
post #2139 of 2480
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Originally Posted by ECastro View Post

I'm one click away from buy the 65LW6500 from Amazon, but I'm concerned that the 65LM6200 will be a vast improvement. Do any of you know the exact difference between the two, and if it's worth getting the LM over the LW? The price different is going to be $1,000.

Thanks!

I have owned the 65lw6500 for about a month and a half and so far it has been very good especially once I went in to the service menu and activated THX mode and local dimming.

I have also been keeping my eye on the newer models in the hope of picking up another smaller set later this summer. It seem so far no on has been able to make adjustments in the service menu like the LW6500's. Also of note is the fact that the LM6200 does not support local dimming and people have not been able to disable or adjust Trumotion out of the box. I like to keep Trumotion off due to the soap opera effect which I don't like. Hopefully someone will figure out how do this in the near future.
post #2140 of 2480
Thank you!
I bit the bullet and ordered the 65LW6500, along with Hubble 3D, and Under The Sea 3D.
post #2141 of 2480
Any known way to downgrade the firmware to the stock firmware? The one they have on their website is not even gets pushed to TVs. I don't know if my 3D problems are because of buggy firmware or not, since I've updated immidiately before testing 3D videos.
post #2142 of 2480
I noticed when cleaning the top of the TV that it has slight bow inward along the top in the middle. If I run a straight edge along the front of the TV at the top it is bowed inward about 3/4" in the middle compared to the outer edges. Anyone else have this problem? It is sitting on a flat surface mounted on the factory stand.

Thanks
post #2143 of 2480
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Originally Posted by ECastro View Post

I'm one click away from buy the 65LW6500 from Amazon, but I'm concerned that the 65LM6200 will be a vast improvement. Do any of you know the exact difference between the two, and if it's worth getting the LM over the LW? The price different is going to be $1,000.

Thanks!

I'm in the same boat as you. But from the tech specs that I could see on both models, there doesn't seem to be much of an improvement from last year to this year. Remote is a bit different, thinner bezel, mostly same tech specs. So not worth the additional $1K.

Let me know what you think about the tv when you get it.
post #2144 of 2480
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Originally Posted by seanthome View Post

I'm in the same boat as you. But from the tech specs that I could see on both models, there doesn't seem to be much of an improvement from last year to this year. Remote is a bit different, thinner bezel, mostly same tech specs. So not worth the additional $1K.

Let me know what you think about the tv when you get it.

It arrives tomorrow, so expect an update on thurs.
post #2145 of 2480
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Originally Posted by JLennerth View Post


can someone direct me to the post on how to program this specific remote for the 65LW6500 as well as what other features I want to unlock besides local dimming, thx bright room and cinema?

If anyone has the answer to this, I too as a newb would appreciate finding out how
post #2146 of 2480
WOW!
I finally setup my 65LW6500, and it's AMAZING! I enabled THX bright room, cinema, and local dimming, and I couldn't be happier. This is the best tv i've ever purchased.

The 2d to 3d is fantastic, and really works. I watched Under the Sea which blew my mind (especially around 21:30, the fish swims towards your face).

I also played MW3 with the 2d to 3d conversion. That also works extremely well, if you're looking for depth.
The last thing I did was take 2 old Real 3d glasses I got from the movie theater and swapped out the lenses to create a pair of 2 right eye, and 2 left eye pairs. Now when I play split screen games and enable 2d to 3d up/down, I'm able to play full screen without seeing the second players screen at all.

Thank you all for your suggestions, and if anyone isn't sure about getting the 64LW6500, don't! Buy this tv now. I originally was going to wait for the 65LM6200, but it's $1,000 more, and unless they were going to change the 3d technology, I don't think it's worth it.
post #2147 of 2480
You sound like me when I marvel about my 55lw6500. That 65" must be a BEAST because I think the 55" is a huge set... Enjoy the watching and gaming....
post #2148 of 2480
Anyone figure out how to get the THX modes to show up when in Netflix or the other built in apps?
post #2149 of 2480
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Originally Posted by seanthome View Post

I am looking at the 65LW6500, but then saw news of the 65LM6200 coming out soon.

Technically they look like they are pretty close to the same thing. Only differences seem to be the remote control looks a bit different. The LM6200 comes with local dimming out of the box. But the forum posts on here says you can also set up local dimming on the LW6500. The 65LM6200 is less glossy than the 65LW6500. But since the 65LM6200 is going to be $1K more than the 65LW6500, I don't think these differences are worth the price premium.

Are there any other factors about the 65LM6200 that make it better than the 65LW6500? Is anyone else waiting for the LM6200 versus getting the LW6500 now for a cheaper price?

Thanks.


I had th 65LW6500 for about a month an returned it. I am waiting on the 65LM6200. From what I have gathered the new series has improved 3D. All the other specs do seem identical. The main reason that I returned the TV was that the screen was extremely glossy. I am hoping the new one is not as glossy.
post #2150 of 2480
The 6200 will not be equivalent to the 6500. The 6500 has an higher MCI than the 7600 and the MCI of the 7600 is double the MCI of the 6700 and 6200.
post #2151 of 2480
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Originally Posted by inti2192 View Post

The 6200 will not be equivalent to the 6500. The 6500 has an higher MCI than the 7600 and the MCI of the 7600 is double the MCI of the 6700 and 6200.

what does MCI stand for.

and anybody with lw6500 or lw5600 tried out the 4.02.62 firmware? Does Service menu still work? and are there any noticeable improvements? I am not sure if I want to upgrade, because if there are issues in the new firmware, I cant downgrade.
post #2152 of 2480
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Originally Posted by mpmetro View Post

anybody with lw6500 or lw5600 tried out the 4.02.62 firmware? Does Service menu still work? and are there any noticeable improvements? I am not sure if I want to upgrade, because if there are issues in the new firmware, I cant downgrade.

I have 4.02.62 on a 65lw6500. The only thing I have noticed is with the Netflix app. The picture is always defaulted to stretching 4:3 ratio programs. It can be remedied with the ratio button but once I turn the set off it forgets the setting and I have to do it again next time, just a bit annoying. Other than that I don't notice any differences and yes you still can get into the service menu.
post #2153 of 2480
Hi guys, I recently picked up this 47LW6500 from Dell and set up is an ongoing process. So far I have been able to hook it up to my provider's box and streaming files from a USB thumb drive; however, I really bought this tv for the DLNA function which seems to be a non-starter so far. I have at my disposal an Acer Easystore H340 NAS connected to my router which is also hardwiring the tv. I can see the NAS no issue, but when I browse the directories, they're simply empty. I'm at a lost guys so any suggestions would be appreciated.

http:// img705.imageshack.us/img705/4596/20120327135710.jpg
post #2154 of 2480
Just scored the last 65LW6500 at my Best Buy. So excited . Can someone point me to a set of directions for accessing the service menu? I have been reading this thread and think I can figure it out from bits and pieces, but I would really appreciate a good guide.
post #2155 of 2480
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Originally Posted by septim View Post

Just scored the last 65LW6500 at my Best Buy. So excited . Can someone point me to a set of directions for accessing the service menu? I have been reading this thread and think I can figure it out from bits and pieces, but I would really appreciate a good guide.

Make that X2. I found the section in this thread but the passwords link is dead.
post #2156 of 2480
I got in using the DIY IR leds playing the sound file. I got 2 ir leds out of some old remotes I had laying around. Soldered them to a headphone wire, and played the sound on my laptop, and it pops up on the tv.
post #2157 of 2480
this page has info on how to get into the service menu:
http://openlgtv.org.ru/wiki/index.ph..._menus_/_modes

Other options are buying a remote such as the harmony or others that you can enter custom codes to get it to bring up the service menu.

The easiest one I think is the android app, which does it for you. Buts its not free. Its like $6
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...g.android.lgsm
post #2158 of 2480
I been working on a few new movies and making one especially made for passive 3D sets.

This is just a small demo test I have made with some extreme depth. Only passive TV sets and the Sony HMZ are able to display it correctly. It looks amazing when I view on my LG 6500, felt like I was really there and I shot some extreme depth scenes off a large building looking out and I felt I was really up there again.

Enjoy,

Download here

http://computercowboy.com/blazin3d/H...oshextreme.rar

Burn with IMG burn to a BDR and watch!
post #2159 of 2480
Hi all, quick post about input lag and will try to add more justification/evidence when I have more time...

I have an LG 47LW6500-UA with the currently latest firmware: 4.02.62. I have an Xbox 360 Slim (matte black) hooked up via a 6 ft. High Speed cat 2 certified HDMI. I have tried all of the basic (without hacking menus, etc) tricks... and still experience significant, plainly audible and visible lag compared to my older, "dumb" (pre-Smart TV era) Samsung plasma. I'm a veteran gamer of almost two decades now who's spent his entire life playing on nothing but effectively zero-lag displays (aka computer monitors, CRT and LCD alike) so I know when lag is present. In my best estimation, my lag is around 120ms with Game Mode (A/V) and Game input label. It feels exactly the same as if you're playing an online multiplayer game on PC with a 120ms ping, that sends your actions for processing by the server and awaiting the server's response before "updating" your client... that is, games where you jump, PC sends "jump" command to server, server sends back updated position to PC, PC updates. Recall all those games where your ping was around 120. That's exactly what it feels like. On my LG TV, when I'm playing Xbox games like Call of Duty: Black Ops, Halo: Reach, and Project Gotham Racing 3, or even when navigating the Xbox dashboard, I can clearly press and release (tap) my controller and wait a tenth of a second or so before seeing and hearing the screen update. Again, this is beyond dispute because I happen to have two Xbox 360 Slims and two high speed HDMI cables. I used identical hardware setups except for the TVs, and put the LG and older Samsung side by side and the Samsung responds tremendously faster. In short, even with 4.02.62, Game Mode, and Game input label, the lag IS still there, and those who claims it's not I'm convinced just aren't as sensitive to it as the rest of us are, or perhaps were never spoiled by near-zero-lag displays and thus don't even know what "real time" response is as a point of reference! Lag is there, and it's enough to throw serious gamers off bigtime.. and if you're talking competitive online FPS gameplay, you're toast.

To attempt to get objective measures of the lag, I hooked up a laptop to my LG, cloned the output of the laptop, displayed a millisecond timer. I then took pictures of the laptop display and TV with my cell phone, and looked at how far behind the TV was to the laptop. The LG TV at best was consistently 114ms behind with Game Mode and Game input. It's also worth noting that I also tried PC input label, which was slower than Game input label (the opposite of what you'd expect, and the opposite of what many posters and LG themselves have asserted here.. but the numbers don't lie). Similarly, the VGA port was slower than HDMI (again contrary to expectation and to other posters' assertions!, and even contrary to my own perception.. it *felt* like VGA was slightly faster to me, before I measured it objectively). I think logical expectation distorted our judgements of Game/PC vs HDMI/VGA... Game label and HDMI are objectively faster than both PC label and VGA port, by almost 60ms (total lag for PC and VGA consistently 171ms)!!

NOW un/fortunately, the TV "knows" the difference between an Xbox and a PC. There are different settings available on the TV when you have an Xbox hooked up via HDMI or when you have a laptop hooked up via HDMI. Additionally, the laptop itself may have different "output lag" times for HDMI and VGA respectively (i.e. it may take the laptop different amounts of time to encode HDMI output and VGA output). These two things together (TV "knowing" device type and behaving differently, and device "output lag") mean that my laptop tests don't *necessarily* represent true input lag measurements when using an Xbox. However, I'd best quite strongly that both of those two issues are so small as to be insignificant and negligible. Essentially, I'm willing to bet laptop 114ms lag is exactly equivalent to the Xbox lag... it even comports with my personal estimation of 120ms. Beyond downloading the Xbox SDK, writing a millisecond clock display game, buying a high-end HDMI splitter, and cloning one Xbox's output to the LG and a second zero-lag display (like a computer LCD), and comparing how far ahead one is to the other, I'm not sure how much closer to a true measurement I can get. Anyway, I'm just trying to preemptively defend my and others' claims that input lag is still present, and it's definitely enough to notice. I'd even call it obvious (despite that some people are apparently unaware of its presence). When I go back to use my older Samsung or my computer LCD, it honestly feels like the Xbox executes my button press before I even get a chance to release the button. That's how much of a difference there is between the LG TV and zero-lag displays, and that's also how strongly we can adapt to lag (like those of you who don't notice it anymore). I really, really miss having a low/zero lag display. Input lag totally throws me off, ESPECIALLY in racing games like PGR3.

I will try to post pictures eventually, and a video comparing the LG and my older Samsung if I get the time.

THAT SAID, are there any other tricks you guys have to eliminate input lag? I really want to continue using HDMI. If I have to switch to component (which didn't help, BTW) or VGA or any other input, then that really to an extent defeats the purpose of buying such a nice TV. My best configuration so far is: HDMI labeled Game, A/V Game Mode. This configuration even beats expert configurations I've tried with manually disabling every feature I could. It's also worth noting that as of 4.02.62, Game Mode isn't ALL that much better than non-Game Modes with TruMotion On and Local Dimming High! Non-Game modes used to be much worse, but the latest firmware has brought them up close to Game Mode (but didn't improve Game Mode itself, which is what we NEED!). Indeed, they're so close to each other now than if I'm working with 114ms lag, I can tolerate another 50ms or so to get some smooth images and deep blacks.

But I'd really, really, really like to reduce the Game Mode's input lag. Help! (or LG, please release yet another firmware update with a Game Mode that truly, no-kidding bypasses ALL post-processing possible).

If anyone has settings suggestions, please share. Additionally, if anyone has any more testing suggestions they'd like me to run to objectively measure lag, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Thanks!
post #2160 of 2480
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

I been working on a few new movies and making one especially made for passive 3D sets.

This is just a small demo test I have made with some extreme depth. Only passive TV sets and the Sony HMZ are able to display it correctly. It looks amazing when I view on my LG 6500, felt like I was really there and I shot some extreme depth scenes off a large building looking out and I felt I was really up there again.

Enjoy,

Download here

http://computercowboy.com/blazin3d/H...oshextreme.rar

Burn with IMG burn to a BDR and watch!

links isnt working
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