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post #31 of 2480
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

The browser is slow. You won't be using it much.

Are the widgets/apps slow also?
post #32 of 2480
Haven't used many but no.
post #33 of 2480
This is a question about the 55LW6500 (The big brother).
I have seen the 55LW5600 (the little brother) at Best Buy and I did not like the blurriness of the 3D. The, shall I say... Focus... was GREAT SOMETIMES and REALLY BAD others. I was watching Shrek in 3D. Also, I noticed that I could see horizontal banding Lines in the pic as well.
My question is this...
Does the LW6500 show these characteristics?
post #34 of 2480
Another question for those who've seen either the 55LW5600 or a 6500-series:

Did you happen to check how the 3D was affected by vertical angle? I'm looking strongly at getting one of these two models (55" version) for an above-the-fireplace location, and have read that the passive 3D technology was sensitive to vertical angle (being above or below the screen). I'll have the screen on a tilting mount, to keep it pretty close to perpendicular to the viewer, at least for viewers sitting at our main viewing location. But I'm a little concerned about other locations in the room, where the tilt won't be optimal.
post #35 of 2480
how is 3d in half resolution? I hear there are noticeable scan lines with this set. Thanks.
post #36 of 2480
They have them up at local Best Buys now, well let me say they have the 5600 up. I have not seen the 6500 yet. The 5600 seemed to degrade slightly left and right really not bad at all though. I did not check vertical only horizontal.
As for the resolution... I could not see any degredation when I was watching Shrek Blu Ray. It looked like HD to me. Although closer upon closer viewing I was able to see some slight horzontal lines in the picture. That is why I am waiting for the LG LW6500 or LW9500 to come out, or even the Vizio xvt555sp which is supposed to use Sensio technology.
post #37 of 2480
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Originally Posted by Twdll View Post

That is why I am waiting for the LG LW6500 or LW9500 to come out, or even the Vizio xvt555sp which is supposed to use Sensio technology.

Any idea when we might see the Vizio XVT6SP? The Vizio-chat people have no clue. If I heard better reports about the browser on the new LG LW models I'd be more enthusiastic, but the little I've read say it's "slow". Though I've heard elsewhere that the feature isn't even active yet. So that's confusing.

I've been waiting a long time for a 55" LCD (very bright room) with good 2D, passive 3D a decent browser and a cost that won't involve the sale of a kidney. For me it will be between the LW6500 and the Vizio XVT3D556SP. But Vizio's inability to give a release date three months after CES is starting to make me very skeptical that they even have a product to offer.
post #38 of 2480
Don't expect the Vizio until December.
The folks at jr.com say they are expecting the 55LW6500 in mid-April.

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Originally Posted by Thompsonbrook View Post

For me it will be between the LW6500 and the Vizio XVT3D556SP. But Vizio's inability to give a release date three months after CES is starting to make me very skeptical that they even have a product to offer.
post #39 of 2480
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Don't expect the Vizio until December.

Where did you get this info? Or is it just an educated guess?
post #40 of 2480
First professional review that I could find. "Good TV", basically. It's worth to read for details - very thorough review.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1301662476

The only thing missing for me in this review - the distance where horizontal lines become noticeable. I asked about that in their forum.

"All in all LW6500 is a good TV"

"Despite the slightly less detailed 3D pictures it has tons of advantages such as almost zero crosstalk, cheap and lightweight 3D glasses without batteries, and no flicker. The polarized 3D glasses also cause less eyestrain in the long run"

"However, the absolutely best 3D experience is still achieved with high-end 3D plasma TVs"

"2D picture quality on LG LW6500 is decent but not better than typical mid-end TVs. The colors are fairly accurate after calibration and the response time is fast enough for most use. Black is not deep enough and we also saw some clouding from the Edge LED based LW6500 model."
post #41 of 2480
Yep would like to know the distance. Overall not a bad review.
post #42 of 2480
Thread Starter 
That would depend on your vision, with 20/20 7-8 feet.
post #43 of 2480
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

That would depend on your vision, with 20/20 7-8 feet.

Well that defeats the purpose of getting a 55" then. Cause at 8 feet I'll def notice it. Will wait to see it in stores for myself and then decide.
post #44 of 2480
productwiki.com was showing the xvt3d556sp to be available in December but they now say March, 2011. However, to my knowledge, it is not yet available.

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Where did you get this info? Or is it just an educated guess?
post #45 of 2480
OK. Here is the deal on the lw5500 and I am sure for the lw6500 as well. I went to BB and saw the LW5500 and made a comment above about blurriness being an issue in 3d. Well, I went back to BB and revisited it. I found that if you are ABOVE or BELOW eye level from the TV then you see random blurriness. When you are eye level to the TV everything works FANTASTIC. When you are above or below you see double images everywhere. I guess angling it could fix that if you had to have it above or below. I may even pull the trigger on the LW5500 now since I know it looks great at EYE LEVEL.
post #46 of 2480
I looked at a 55LW5600 at BB over the weekend, but only using the LG demo content. I thought the horizontal lines when watching 3D went away at more like 6 feet, but those who are looking very closely may view it as more like 7-8 feet. Note that this is only applicable to 3D.

I agree that the side-angle performance was very good, and also that it is vertical angle that you'll have to control or avoid for best 3D performance. That said, the emergence of ghosting when above or below the perpendicular was better than I had been expecting, from reading about it beforehand. (In other words, it was not as sensitive as I was expecting.)

The demo content I watched consisted of an underwater/fish clip, a "3D game" clip involving a dragon flying around, and some basketball. I wasn't impressed with the basketball clip, but this may have been more content-related than anything. Actually, I thought the depth of focus was poor on the basketball clip, independent of the 3D. I've seen 3D football on other brands' demos, and it would have been interesting to see that same content on the LG. The underwater part looked very good to me, very comparable to active-3D on other sets. The flying dragon in the "game" scenario was also nicely done, even if it wasn't much of a response time / lag test.....

Overall I was impressed with how well the passive 3D works. Even if there are some modest shortcomings vis-a-vis active 3D, the ability to have lots of glasses for when friends are over is very attractive to me. My wife liked the fact that we can get her some clip-ons to wear over her prescription glasses, so she doesn't have to keep her contacts in to watch!

I didn't get a chance to see how the 2D-3D conversion works, but I'm not that concerned if it is not that effective. As for 2D, it wasn't possible to tell too much from the demo content, as the non-3D parts of it were mostly screens to explain the 3D demo. And I didn't try to play with settings, etc. But the 2D picture quality seems competitive with other brands' comparably-priced LED-LCD units, since at this price level we are talking mostly about edge-lit units, some with "pseudo-local" dimming.
post #47 of 2480
Thread Starter 
I posted Teranex incorrectly but with that 2 to 3D rig(over which I had a 4 minute argument with James Cameron Last Friday Night in the lobby of the Cesars Palace-for CINEMACON ) the Vizio 65 is incredible.

We are doing a system in overseas with 2 LG 55's and 3 65's and a crestron hdmi 1.4 digimatrix that distributes converted 3D with two of this 50K boxes fed from 3 Kaleidescape vaults, first 300 discs, then 1,050 blu-rays of 3D content .

I too saw the under the sea side by side demo, the internal conversion is not as good as with a 50K processor. By comparison the center of the image looks like you are looking down a donut hole, hopefully in the future these converters will become available for 10% of the current price, they are excellent.
post #48 of 2480
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I checked out the LW5600 in BB the yesterday. Of course they didn't have any glasses available so I'll have to go back today with my glasses left over from theaters. I was pretty impressed with the 2D even at 120hz which I've had issues with from time to time. I'm really excited to see the 3D later on.

The HDGURU article basically said the only difference between the 5600 and 6500 seriese was the refresh rate.

Saw this set at BestBuy 2 days ago. They had it set up for 3D and I asked for a for a demo. This would be my first demo of a passive 3D TV.

Well I put on the glasses and immediately noticed how bright the picture was. I didn't notice any jaggies or loss of resolution.

Then it happened: ghosting, ghosting and did I say ghosting.

Very disappointed.
post #49 of 2480
Thread Starter 
Did you look at the samsung lcd from last year- is completely unwatchable in comparison.

I had to get a vizio which is similar to the LG because I could not watch 3D on the samsung 559000.
post #50 of 2480
Hi guys.. Long time reader, first time poster...

I have an older 50" Samsung 1080i DLP that I was looking to upgrade this year. I had wanted a 3D TV, but the Active shutter are too much of a hassle with the expensive glasses, charging, flicker, ghosting, and syncing issues (on some models). I also have twin 10 year old girls, who would break the AS glasses in about 5 seconds. I have been closely following the technology and I was excited in January when I started hearing about the passive 3D technology (FPR) coming out from LG, Toshiba, and Vizio. For me it would be the only choice, its simple and eliminates the hassle and expense of the shutter glasses. I had been reading some of the feedback here and I was concerned about some of the trade offs, like the lines, and the reduced resolution.

I went to Best Buy over the weekend and saw LG LW5600 model and the same fish demo many folks have talked about. For me it looked very good, but the lines were evident up close, especially when there was small text on the screen. I also found that a top vertical angle really stunk, and was unwatchable at more than about 30 degrees. They had the test TV in BB at waist level and glasses attached to coils so you could only step back about 4 or 5 feet. Looking down at the TV at about a 30 degree angle it looked terrible, there was ghosting and it was very blurry. When I got on my knees and I was eye level with the TV, everything was as it should be. The 3D effect was on par with the 3D active shutter systems I have seen, it may actually be a bit better and brighter. I didn't notice any ghosting at that level, no flicker, and it was very clear and smooth with good depth. The resolution is reduced somewhat, but it was not as evident as I thought it would be. But the lines from that close distance (4 feet) were evident, especially with text on the screen, which may be a deal breaker for me. My DLP is only 5 or 6 feet away from my couch in my basement setup. I actually like it that way for watching movies and playing games, but I fear at that distance the lines may be too distracting for me. As for 2D, it seemed flawless and the lines were gone. They only seem to appear with the glasses on, which makes sense. The screen has a polarized filter for every alternate line for the left or right eye, and those are the lines you see while wearing the glasses.

I hear there has been some development around an Active Patterned Retarder (Aka Active Shutter Retarder) solution, that will be full resolution, eliminating the lines. Each polarized line on the screen will be able to actively switch between the L/R eye polarization using a second LCD panel, in sync with the image on the screen. However the last I heard, Samsung was developing this with RealD, but for professional applications only. They are not planning on a system for the home market until 2013 (if they ever do). The early buzz is it will be very expensive due to the extra LCD layer. I honestly don't know if I can wait 2+ years for a 3D TV, my DLP is around 6 years old, and I have had issues in the past with the Light Engine. Luckily it was under warranty the first 2 times it went bad (the only time a 5 year warranty ever paid off for me), but that warranty expired last year. I hate to buy something now, knowing that a better solution is already in the works, but I may have to anyway. I may go for the better model LG 55LW6500 when it goes below 2K, or investigate some of the other brand's versions of passive 3D.

I swear there must be a conspiracy against Passive 3D to some degree, in BB they had the demo TV at the worst angle, with glasses tethered so close you could not possibly see the TV in at the best angle and distance. The Salesman of course was trying to talk me into a new Active shutter system with Bluetooth, even though the Passive was the one on sale with a free 3D bluray player. The other manufacturers like Samsung have been badmouthing the current system, and continuing to push Active Shutter, while they have been quietly developing what may be a superior technology, but sitting on it.

Sorry for the long post but I was excited to join the discussion, and I will continue to watch the AVS threads as more info and feedback comes out relating to 3DTV and other AV gadgets.
post #51 of 2480
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I swear there must be a conspiracy against Passive 3D to some degree, in BB they had the demo TV at the worst angle, with glasses tethered so close you could not possibly see the TV in at the best angle and distance.

Retail stores don't know crap about setting up 3D, they have only recently even got close to showing good HD on their sets, so it is probably less conspiracy and more ineptitude. Most active shutter displays aren't even working if you try them out.
post #52 of 2480
sorry to quick post. Hello all. I'm Slack.
post #53 of 2480
This annoying anti-spam is irritating.
post #54 of 2480
I want to talk about the less than $1000 passive 3d Vizio 47".
post #55 of 2480
@Curemode and all... I too have young kids (10,8, &6) and need a decent sized passive 3d like NOW! then I saw were this is coming soon???>!!? When?1!
http://www.vizio.com/lcd-hdtvs/e3d470vx.html
There are no threads on this right now anywhere that I can find. 47" cinema 3d lcd for $899!? Sign me up NOW!!
post #56 of 2480
As for ghosting. As I said earlier you have to be looking directly at the TV "Eye Level". When you are below or above the TV significant ghosting occurs. Very obvious even if you are not looking for it. This only occurs vertically not horizontally, so if you have your tv at eye level or you can tilt it I think it may work just great.
post #57 of 2480
Wow.. Vizio may be the one to watch on price, someone else mentioned that as well. If for nothing else these cheaper models may force the others lower for passive tv prices and I will not have to spend $1500 - 2000 for a 55". I actually saw the 55" LW5600 for $1800 at buydig with an included LG BD670 3D bluray player. I almost went for it, but I wanted to see it in person first, and I already have that same model 3D bluray player. I had planned on waiting for the LW6500 because of the higher refresh rate. I may wait a bit longer and hope when the the Vizio 55" Passive comes out, it is less than $1500, and drives the other prices down. After seeing the lw5600 in person I may be able to settle on the current gen passives, even with the lines and resolution hit. Its just too attractive with the cheap glasses, and no hassle. I just ordered TRON 3D, and hopefully that will be my first home 3D experience when I finally settle on a 3DTV.
post #58 of 2480
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Originally Posted by CureMode View Post

Wow.. Vizio may be the one to watch on price, someone else mentioned that as well. If for nothing else these cheaper models may force the others lower for passive tv prices and I will not have to spend $1500 - 2000 for a 55". I actually saw the 55" LW5600 for $1800 at buydig with an included LG BD670 3D bluray player. I almost went for it, but I wanted to see it in person first, and I already have that same model 3D bluray player. I had planned on waiting for the LW6500 because of the higher refresh rate. I may wait a bit longer and hope when the the Vizio 55" Passive comes out, it is less than $1500, and drives the other prices down. After seeing the lw5600 in person I may be able to settle on the current gen passives, even with the lines and resolution hit. Its just too attractive with the cheap glasses, and no hassle. I just ordered TRON 3D, and hopefully that will be my first home 3D experience when I finally settle on a 3DTV.

Do I want amazing plasma? yes. Do I want active 3d? NO!! The reason being I get migranes and I want to be able to watch/play ps3/xbox360 in 3d ALOT! Bill and others have been saying how awesome it is after you get used to watching all the time. But I don't have 2grand right now in my TV budget and the absolute smallest 3d I'd take would be 47 in. Passive is the way to go. I have been wanting the LG but if this 47 comes out soon I'd pull the trigger for $899 on the Viz.
post #59 of 2480
The Vizios don't do 2D to 3D.
post #60 of 2480
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

The Vizios don't do 2D to 3D.

Good catch! Very interesting though. I'm not much for the conversion but the 120hz is what's sort of the deal breaker. Though for the price tag this really has the chance to show the consumer market that 3D can be really cheap. Most people in the market for a 47 are looking at spending in this range and to get the cheap passive 3D may really help wide stream addoption. I really want the 240 but this waiting it killing me. Clearly the lw6500 isn't actually released for general availability yet, it's not even posted on LG's US site (yes I know it's up on the canada site).
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