LG PASSIVE LW6500 dedicated thread... - Page 30

WOW... Finally got my 65LW6500 all mounted up, above my fireplace. This TV is freaking awesome, I love it. I have been experimenting with various settings using expert1. I do have like 1 or 2 "flashlight" spots, but I have been massaging them the past couple of days and they are basically nonexistent now.

My only complaint is not with the TV but with the mount that I purchased which is supposed to be a tilting mount, but for some reason now that I got the thing all mounted up it refuses to tilt.

MCHANEY- please post your settings.

The tilt thing can be a problem in 3D. Crosstalk will occur if the vertical viewing angle is more than 15 degrees off of perpendicular. Above a fireplace will put it more than that angle unless you sit very far away.

I have a LG 47LW6500 on order from Amazon. I can also purchase a 5600 for $300 less then the 6500. Any suggestions from owners- is the 6500 worth an additional 300. I know about the refresh rate and screen contrast. The 6500 will also accept 1080P/24 which according to LG's website the 5600 will not. Thanks.

This is what I'm using on the 65LW6500 right now based on some time with DVE and then minor tweaks by eye. Start with Expert1 and then do a "picture reset" to get all the parameters back to defaults. Energy saver should be off. Starting with those defaults, change only the following:

Backlight: 55
Contrast: 100

Then under expert controls:
Dynamic contrast: Medium
Super resolution: On
Color Gamut: Wide
Edge Enhancer: Off
Color Temp: Medium

Under Color Management System:
Red Color: 8
Green Color: 15
Yellow Color: 22
Cyan Color: 4

Mike

That's the first time I've seen anyone recommend use of dynamic contrast for the 5600 or 6500 models.

Yeah, thats the exact reason why I need the thing to tilt.. The mount tilts to 15 degrees, which will make it a perfect angle to eliminate the little amount of crosstalk that I am experiencing with the television at a 0 degree tilt. I may need to take the TV down and adjust the tilt with it off of the mount backing..

On a side note - what the hell does Super Resolution and edge enhancer setting do???

i just got a 47LW6500. I love this tv so much the passive 3d is amazing, active tvs give me massive head aches so it was a no brainer to try this one out.

Medium and off are the only settings that work, and I got a better (more linear) grayscale ramp with medium. With it off, shadows looked a bit hazy. Both the low and high settings crush blacks but the medium setting doesn't. Doesn't make sense, but true.

Mike

I'm in the same boat however on amazon I only see about a 150$ difference at most on the 5600 VS the 6500

In my opinion, consider it an extra $300 spread across the life of the television. Even if you kept it for three years that's less than $10/month for the better specs and no buyer's remorse. I wouldn't even think twice about it.

OK, I really would like to know what's the deal with the 65LW6500 and local dimming. Many sites (including the LG site where this question was answered) claim that "yes, the 65LW6500 has local dimming" yet people here claim it is not.

I can see why people would claim it is not, since there is no such menu item but get this... a friend of ours who has the same set says he didn't find local dimming on the menu so he called and a tech came out and went to some diag menu and enabled two options and NOW he has local dimming and he can control it! This is someone reliable and not someone who would make that up.

Anyone else heard of this?

Mike

anyone seeing an issue where you go into the setup menu and it continually tries to download premium items?

What were the two settings? Share!

Yeah. Share.

The 65lw6500 definitely does not have local dimming out of the box.

I'll try to get more info. He's a family friend who talked to my parents and described to them what the tech did. I'd need to talk to him myself to get a better idea of exactly what was done. All I know for now is that the tech did something to change two settings and he didn't use the remote to do it. The description sounded like the tech was modifying memory locations manually. Once done, the local dimming was then accessible via the regular remote.

Mike

If true (I'm not doubting you, FYI), why the crap would that not be an option out of the box?

Couple questions. Does the 65" have PVR functionality?? Also is this set compatible with any USB hubs??

Thanks

R

My only guess would be because on the 65 inch version, maybe it wasn't effective enough: didn't meet LG's standards so they turned it off and hid it. Then because there are claims everywhere (including their own site) that say it has local dimming, they activate it for those who complain. Who knows. I still need to talk to the guy because I'm doubting the information myself which is why I posted here to see if anyone else had heard of this happening. I may find out he has an LW5600 and not LW6500, who knows. I'll report back soon.

Mike

Just got another firmware update to 04.01.36. They have been coming pretty regular lately.

yep - came out on Friday. I wish they would have release notes on the LG site.

Well, sho nuff... after about 30 minutes of Googling and updating my Harmony remote, I now have the LED local dimming menu item on my 65LW6500! No time to test it now so it may do nothing... might just give you a menu option to something that doesn't work. Don't know yet but our friend was exactly right. If you put the service menu code on your Harmony remote so you can access the service menu, it's exactly as our family friend indicated: you set a zero to a one in two different menu options and voila: LED local dimming on the menu. At this point, I really suspect that LG is doing this to placate customers who complain "where's my local dimming". I bet it does absolutely nothing: other than make the customer happy by making them think their TV does local dimming. But I don't know for sure so I reserve final judgement. All I had was about 30 seconds to look at it but at first glance, turning it on seems to change nothing visibly.

For those who want to play: the deets are: You have to update your Harmony remote (I guess some others will work too) so you get a "Service Menu" button. Tap that button, enter 0413 as the code, and you can access the service menu. Then you change the LED local dimming option on tools 2 and also tools 4 (I think, might be tools 5), and once you change those two "local dimming" entries from zeros to ones, you get a menu item for it. All I can say is be careful and you didn't hear this from me. ;-)

Relevant threads:

Be aware that the LED local dimming won't show up until you set BOTH of those two settings above. One won't cut it.

Info on how to get "Service Menu" on your Harmony:
http://harmonylghack.wikispaces.com/

Some info on a few service menu options:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=20540589

Have fun and practice safe TV hacking. If smoke comes out of your TV, don't blame me.

Mike

Wow. Just opened up THX mode on the service menu. Looks great! I can see myself getting into trouble with this service menu. All fun and games... until someone loses a pixel.

Mike

If local dimming on the 65" doesn't actually change the look (I.e., it does nothing), then I'm betting it's disabled on the 65" because it shares the same firmware with the 47 and 55", but doesn't actually have the hardware installed.

PLEASE tell me there is a setting in there for 5.1 passthrough!

Exactly what I was thinking. But I've since checked it out and it actually does do something. Not sure exactly what, but when you change the off/low/med/high it does make a visible change in screen brightness. I guess it's doing something. What, I don't know. What can you really do WRT local dimming on an edge lit set anyway? I was hoping that in very dark scenes maybe it would dim the entire backlight so you wouldn't notice as much edge bleed. But it doesn't appear to have much effect on edge bleed.


I was hoping that too. It does have some choices for digital audio but they weren't obvious to me so I didn't mess with them. If I get time tomorrow I'll try to take some screen shots of each menu and we can try to figure them out.

Mike

OK, here are the screens. I did everything except the WB, test pattern, and touchscreen items. If anyone has any ideas on what to try, let me know. So far, I'm enjoying the THX options that I activated. It gives you THX Cinema, THX Bright Room, and some other options to play with. THX is giving me the most accurate color I've seen yet.

Mike

OK, I have to stop replying to myself but... I just enabled DD 5.1 passthrough. I've now solved all my audio sync issues. Just go to the AC3 EDID D/L menu and click the "Start" button. All lines change to AC3(ok) and now your DD 5.1 coming in through your HDMI inputs is passed as DD 5.1 on the optical out of the TV! No more DD 5.1 --> Stereo downconvert! All hail the service menu! Why didn't they do this stuff to begin with?

Mike

Damn I wish I had a Harmony remote!!

I believe I speak for us all when I say: WTF!

Now, please do some more tests to see if local dimming is really working. I actually don't care about the 5.1 since my receiver has ARC, but LD, I would go out of my way to get that working.

Ok after enabling Local Dimming and setting it to High on my 65LW6500, I can say it does have an effect. However after watching House tonight where it had an all black screen with just a white text day of the week I have to local dimming sucks. there was a lighter band of black at the top and bottom while there was a darker band through the middle. I am guessing local dimming can only turn each side off and on, while not being able to control single or sets of leds. I believe on the screen I just described that the top and bottom leds were on and the left and right leds were off. It looked so bad that I just turned local dimming off.