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post #301 of 3051
4/20/11 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by CessnaDriver View Post

I'm going to try the AMP settings tonight and watch ABC before/after to see if I notice any changes.

I am having difficulty describing what happens. I understand in sports and some fast scenes there might be a studder or pixelation on a part of the screen at times. But what I am seeing on these ABC programs are almost "pauses" of the entire picture and then it catches up. Its really weird. So far we haven't noticed it on any other channel, Xbox or Blu-Ray.

Not sure if AMP is exactly the same as the 2010 models, but many people had the exact same problem you describe, including myself. Usually refered to as skipping or stuttering. It is very dependant on what you watch and keep in mind that most digital cable is heavily compressed and well... crapy. Gives AMP a real hard time. "Clear" setting always works best. I personally love the "soap" effect and you do get use to it, doesn't look as "cheap" after a while but rather looks REAL which I can't see as a bad thing in any way. But the Clear setting has barely noticeable "soap" and people who HATE the effect are really just whiners if they say they can't stand AMP on clear.

You WILL get used to it and clear is very subtle. As an added bonus, clear has no skipping, artifacting or other issues. It also eliminates the problems you see when AMP is off. I prefer MORE soap effect so i don't use Clear but it is the only setting with no issues at all.
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post #302 of 3051
4/21/11 at 6:30am
What seetings are people using on the 6000 series to reduce motion issues?

Besides judder and blur what else do I need to adjust in the settings?

Thanks
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post #303 of 3051
4/21/11 at 6:33am
Plan on buying the 46" tonight weather permitting. Hopefully I don't have any major issues with it. Luckily I only live a few blocks away from the Best Buy so at least I won't have to travel far if I get a dud.
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post #304 of 3051
4/21/11 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by jbdawson View Post

Which settings did you use - can we get some more people to post there's?

While I am waiting on a replacement still interested in settings to tweak


Amen to this request: please post your settings, especially if you have had the unit professionally calibrated. I have the UN40D6000 and am using the settings posted way back at the beginning of this thread. Thanks.
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post #305 of 3051
4/21/11 at 11:02am
Guys,

Through various digital media players that supposedly ply 1080P MKV files, I have noticed many skipping/sound issues. Lately I have been seeing some very excellent rips of Blu-ray 720P & 1080P movies to XVID files. These files have ALL played without any issue at all...over and over and over.

Any advive on what format USB drives have to be in to plug into a SAMSUNG C550 1080P LCD? No Doubt FAT32 works...but what's the point if the files can't be larger than 4G? I'm assuming the USB ports will accept media files off of an NTSC encoded drive?

Also, on a different topic.... Any alternatives for the SAMSUNG wireless Linkstick? Rumor has it that the Rosewill RNX-N1 just might do the trick for my C550 series LCD HDTV (Model #LN32C550). Any Advice on any of this?
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post #306 of 3051
4/21/11 at 5:13pm
Bought my 46"!! I'm coming from a 32" which up until a month ago was in a bedroom. I just moved into an apartment so I sit about 7 1/2 feet away so I needed something bigger, plus the other one was 5 1/2 years old. This TV is an absolute beauty.

As for flashlighting there are about 1/2 inch cones in the corners but even then they are very dim. It may not be perfect but honesty from where I sit I can barely make them out even in a dark room. For now I will let it go, as I have the 4 year plan at Best Buy so if it gets worse or whatever, I'll worry about it.
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post #307 of 3051
4/21/11 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by wallstreet123456 View Post
What seetings are people using on the 6000 series to reduce motion issues?

Besides judder and blur what else do I need to adjust in the settings?

Thanks
As I said above, CLEAR is the answer. No issues at all. It gives a very slight "live" look to things.

You can use Blur10 and Judder0 if you can't even stand a hint of "soap opera" effect (sucks to be you if even "clear" is to much for you). Blur does not have a very noticeable effect on motion but judder gives you the soap and handheld camera effect (think Cloverfield).

Most people don't understand what judder is and use the word when what they are seeing is NOT judder. I have yet to find a way to explain it properly.
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post #308 of 3051
4/21/11 at 11:29pm
Just bought a UN40D6000 for the bedroom. Slick little set I must say! Its biggest flaws are the uneven backlight and flash lighting as well as the occasional Netflix blackout. Other than that it has a phenomenal picture! Razor sharp with super detail and dam good color in the movie mode with warm 1 color space. Blacks are very deep as well. Blacks are inky black in a bright room. My wife loves it as she has been wanting a thin LED for awhile. Turning down the backlight helped the flash lighting but it's still annoying at night. I hope Samsung can work on the flash lighting and uneven backlight in the future.
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post #309 of 3051
4/22/11 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by toonj64 View Post

As I said above, CLEAR is the answer. No issues at all. It gives a very slight "live" look to things.

You can use Blur10 and Judder0 if you can't even stand a hint of "soap opera" effect (sucks to be you if even "clear" is to much for you). Blur does not have a very noticeable effect on motion but judder gives you the soap and handheld camera effect (think Cloverfield).

Most people don't understand what judder is and use the word when what they are seeing is NOT judder. I have yet to find a way to explain it properly.

Other than to say Sucks to be you? Lighten up, Frances.
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post #310 of 3051
4/22/11 at 7:39am
Still very curious about whether others are finding that without too much trouble at all, the back panel resonates, buzzes, vibrates with certain frequencies from the speakers. Sounds like distortion. I have to think this is a series-wide design flaw, possibly introduced with making that rear panel more ventilated, therefore less rigid, and certainly a function of the slimness of the TV itself. It took all of about two minutes before I heard the first buzzing, and now that I've padded the exterior with tape and foam, I still hear the occasional resonance. The other explanation is that my unit is missing something which stabilizes the panel, but this does not appear to be the case.
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post #311 of 3051
4/22/11 at 9:09am
Hey Emaych my 6000s audio does the same thing. Will vibrate and sound like distortion. I turned the bass down alot and it helped. It's because of these sets super thin design. A definite flaw.
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post #312 of 3051
4/22/11 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by Reddig View Post

Hey Emaych my 6000s audio does the same thing. Will vibrate and sound like distortion. I turned the bass down alot and it helped. It's because of these sets super thin design. A definite flaw.

Finally! Thank you for that! I am so thoroughly delighted with this set in almost every other regard, that I did not want to sacrifice it, but if the one I got was just anomalous in that regard, a defective unit, then that was going to have to be the way it went.

Now with your independent confirmation, I know that mine was the norm and have already taken steps to mostly eliminate that vibration -- started with Painter's tape so as not to leave sticky residue, then went to duct tape over those layers plus little wafers of foam added in for further dampening. As it kept buzzing, I replayed those tricky segments while around backside and identified the local spots still buzzing. Almost completely cured and the sound is pretty amazingly marvelous for two incredibly narrow speakers. I actually use them for most of my viewing even though I have an incredible sound system.

I also went to the equalizer, but I bumped up the midrange values and slightly edged the lower and highest registers down a bit. Enhanced dialogue and surround feature both on. Produces a sound I am pretty happy with, especially considering that some 15 years ago or so, I paid a similar amount of money for a JVC 32" CRT clunky, blurry, scan lines ALWAYS quite visible, poor sound set, with virtually no features....

Loving this era of TV viewing!
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post #313 of 3051
4/22/11 at 7:25pm
Just get the samsung soundbar and problem solved,, the tv's speakers are not meant to perform..

you can get the samsung soundbar w/ wireless sub for less than $100.00 in overstock.com (auctions)
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post #314 of 3051
4/22/11 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by rt-man View Post

Other than to say Sucks to be you? Lighten up, Frances.

I'm just sayin. People are compaining a lot. Some of those complaints are justified but some are just nitpicking. And anyway, anyone that has seen these TVs in stores knows of the soap effect. Didn't they look at it in the store!? It's very obvious. Then why buy it? I bought it because what I saw (the soap effect) in the store was awesome! I can get not liking standard or smooth, but clear? Really?

If someone is complaining about motion issues, that is the reason 120Hz and Auto Motion (AMP) was invented. Yet, if they use the setting that fixes all of the issues you see when NOT using any AMP, they complain as if it was the worst image motion ever seen by man because "clear" gives a slight "soap opera" effect that you won't even notice after watching for a few days.

THAT deserves a "sucks to be you". THEY should lighten up.

I've seen this many times on many Samsung LCD forums.
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post #315 of 3051
4/22/11 at 11:49pm
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

Finally! Thank you for that! I am so thoroughly delighted with this set in almost every other regard, that I did not want to sacrifice it, but if the one I got was just anomalous in that regard, a defective unit, then that was going to have to be the way it went.

Now with your independent confirmation, I know that mine was the norm and have already taken steps to mostly eliminate that vibration -- started with Painter's tape so as not to leave sticky residue, then went to duct tape over those layers plus little wafers of foam added in for further dampening. As it kept buzzing, I replayed those tricky segments while around backside and identified the local spots still buzzing. Almost completely cured and the sound is pretty amazingly marvelous for two incredibly narrow speakers. I actually use them for most of my viewing even though I have an incredible sound system.

I also went to the equalizer, but I bumped up the midrange values and slightly edged the lower and highest registers down a bit. Enhanced dialogue and surround feature both on. Produces a sound I am pretty happy with, especially considering that some 15 years ago or so, I paid a similar amount of money for a JVC 32" CRT clunky, blurry, scan lines ALWAYS quite visible, poor sound set, with virtually no features....

Loving this era of TV viewing!

E-

You're on to something just heard this today while watching a NBA TV press conference. It is like a hum/buzz noise that seems to come from the frame somewhere at volumes over 30. It is weird though Ill have the sound cranked up on other channels and not hear a thing. It seems to only be heard on deep male voices. I really don't feel like contacting Samsung about this maybe I will though if it gets worse, obviously a few of us have this so doubt a replacement would fix anything.

If possible could you post a pic of this DIY fix that somewhat eliminated it?
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post #316 of 3051
4/23/11 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by eortizr View Post

Just get the samsung soundbar and problem solved,, the tv's speakers are not meant to perform..

you can get the samsung soundbar w/ wireless sub for less than $100.00 in overstock.com (auctions)

This is a worthy suggestion, but here's the thing: with limited return window, I did wish to know whether this was a singular issue with my unit, or a design flaw. Also, I feel like the set should not be afflicted with so obvious a defect -- even if just to sell more TVs, after all, this kind of thing should be easily detected in a standard b&m establishment on certain material and/or messing with the sound adjustments the least little bit.

Now as to the sound bar, these are driven by the optical out and are plug-in external units that mount onto the TV? Separate remote?
Thanks
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post #317 of 3051
4/23/11 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by jbdawson View Post

E-

You're on to something just heard this today while watching a NBA TV press conference. It is like a hum/buzz noise that seems to come from the frame somewhere at volumes over 30. It is weird though Ill have the sound cranked up on other channels and not hear a thing. It seems to only be heard on deep male voices. I really don't feel like contacting Samsung about this maybe I will though if it gets worse, obviously a few of us have this so doubt a replacement would fix anything.

If possible could you post a pic of this DIY fix that somewhat eliminated it?

Yeah, that's right -- low male voices triggers it (one trigger I've noticed). The rear metal panel is resonating with certain frequencies. With the surround feature off, it did not seem near as likely to erupt, but I want my TV sound to have a certain depth and texture -- some of those soundfield presets are ridiculously thin and tinny to listen to. Now with the fix-it I performed, and adjusting the sound to taste, it really is pretty amazing sound for just the speakers that are there, which admittedly were not intended for serious movie-watching, or other such critical applications, but serve my purposes just fine.

Don't know how to post pics, although it is theoretically possible -- I do have a digital camera, but the fix came about organically -- started small but I kept going, so it is relatively ugly and not too sophisticated. I just wanted to see if it would work, and I'm only just sacrificing the tape and foam pads, if I were to just pull it all off, as I was careful to use tape that leaves no residue.

It basically just consists of areas, some as large as 10"x12", which are overlaps of strips of Painter's tape, then covered by duct tape, with little wafers of foam sandwiched in and taped over. They had to be pressed down a few times, but before I get a sound bar, this helped me establish that what I was hearing was the vibrating panel and not blown speakers, which have warranted a definite return. Of course the sound is good enough now where I may put off a sound bar indefinitely, but then I don't have to look at the rear of the set, or appease anyone else's sense of aesthetics.
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post #318 of 3051
4/23/11 at 6:48am
First impression out of the box... holy crap the picture quality is the worst i have ever seen in a set since forever.

Read this whole thread and tried JPCarl's setting. HUGE imporvement.

there was HUGE "opera effect" since i am used to my plasma maybe i noticed it before but it was unbearable and i had decided to return the 46 and get a 50 panasonic.

After JPC's setting most-all opera effect is gone and colours are good... white balance is ok. SD content looks horrible but i knew that before i got the set so i am not worried.

thanks to JPC for posting his settings.

There will be flaws no such thing as a perfect tv as i can see light bleeding from corners in dark screens which i am ok with.

overall decent set but for video purists not recommended.

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Originally Posted by JPCarl View Post

Here is a reminder of my current settings:

--Picture menu
Mode: Movie
Backlight: 12
Contrast: 92
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 48
Tint: G50/R50

Screen adjustment submenu:
Picture Size: Screen Fit
Position: [no change]


Auto Adjustment and Screen submenus: [Grayed out]

Advanced settings submenu
Black tone: Off
Dynamic contrast: Off
Shadow Detail: +2
Gamma: +1
Expert Pattern: Off
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color space: Custom
White Balance: [see below]
10p White Balance: On
Flesh tone: 0
Edge enhancement: Off
Motion Lighting: Off
xvYCC: Off
LED Motion Plus: Off

Color Space submenu:
Red: Red 59, Green 5, Blue 0
Green: Red 20, Green 55, Blue 3
Blue: Red 0, Green 5, Blue 100
Yellow: Red 57, Green 50, Blue 0
Cyan: Red 14, Green 51, Blue 55
Magenta: Red 50, Green 5, Blue 59

White balance submenu:
R-Offset: 24
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 26
R-Gain: 31
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 25

10p White Balance submenu:
Interval 1: Red 5, Green 4, Blue 4
Interval 2: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 0
Interval 3: Red 1, Green 1, Blue 2
Interval 4: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 0
Interval 5: Red 2, Green 2, Blue 1
Interval 6: Red 0, Green 1, Blue 0
Interval 7: Red 1, Green 1, Blue 1
Interval 8: Red 2, Green 2, Blue 3
Interval 9: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 1
Interval 10: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 3

Picture options submenu
Color tone: Warm1
Digital Noise Filter: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI black level: Normal
Film mode: Off [grayed out]
Auto motion plus: Custom
-- Custom settings:
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0


*EDIT Picture mode and color tone are both now set to standard. I believe that also greyed out the 10p white balance option. I will have to double check to make sure.
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post #319 of 3051
4/23/11 at 1:01pm
No offense but who buys a tv like the D6000 and up and uses the tv speakers. The speakers should not even be an issue. If you dont like the speakers take it back buy a smaller tv and get surround sound. If you are using the tv speakers belive me you NEED surround sound it is worth it.
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post #320 of 3051
4/23/11 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

This is a worthy suggestion, but here's the thing: with limited return window, I did wish to know whether this was a singular issue with my unit, or a design flaw. Also, I feel like the set should not be afflicted with so obvious a defect -- even if just to sell more TVs, after all, this kind of thing should be easily detected in a standard b&m establishment on certain material and/or messing with the sound adjustments the least little bit.

Now as to the sound bar, these are driven by the optical out and are plug-in external units that mount onto the TV? Separate remote?
Thanks

Yes, the soundbar is connected thru the optical out, and it can be used w/ the TV's remote to control the volume, so you do not need to use the soundbar remote unless you want to make adjustments or change settings. They are basically plug and play, just connect the optical and enjoy... they even have a function where they power on and off with the tv. or if you have multiple devices connected to it, just do as I did and get a logitech harmony remote. and the sound is very good for that kind of small profile, and w/ the wireless sub there is no cable to mess with..
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post #321 of 3051
4/23/11 at 4:46pm
Actually, today I returned the Samsung to BB and then went next door to Costo and bought the Panny TC-P42G25. I loved the styling of the samsung, or maybe more accurately, my wife did (I really don't care), but the off center picture degradation, the blue-blacks and the corner flashing were too much to take in so expensive a TV. The Panny costs about $1000 less than the Samsung, albeit with a smaller screen. I know the boards are full of talk about this model and that one, but from one non-expert, it;s a better picture.
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post #322 of 3051
4/23/11 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Nakattk View Post
No offense but who buys a tv like the D6000 and up and uses the tv speakers. The speakers should not even be an issue. If you dont like the speakers take it back buy a smaller tv and get surround sound. If you are using the tv speakers belive me you NEED surround sound it is worth it.
No offense, but my main speakers are 400 lbs apiece and retail for over $30K. One of my centers is a 200 lb, dual 10" bass driver custom piece flanked by two floor standers (also in service as center channels), that retail for $15K or so. At one point I had Plinius monoblocks for every speaker, including dual $8K apiece mono amps just for the rear speakers. So I have surround sound covered. I still expect that the speakers included with a TV should be functional, and for most viewing, I will still use only the TV speakers. BTW, no return of a larger TV model for a smaller is necessitated to afford proper surround sound -- I recently purchased 3 TVs -- including two Samsung 55" LEDs, and a 58" plasma -- the UN55C6500 that I got had no such sonic issues as does the D6000, so it is a new design flaw. Why not just consider everything that is not the screen to be optional? Why should they give you a working remote? How about a stand? The speakers should work as speakers and in concert with a non-vibrating rear panel, but now with my fix, I am satisfied that the sound is quite good, so may not even bother with a sound bar, but I will certainly look into it.
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post #323 of 3051
4/23/11 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by eortizr View Post
Yes, the soundbar is connected thru the optical out, and it can be used w/ the TV's remote to control the volume, so you do not need to use the soundbar remote unless you want to make adjustments or change settings. They are basically plug and play, just connect the optical and enjoy... they even have a function where they power on and off with the tv. or if you have multiple devices connected to it, just do as I did and get a logitech harmony remote. and the sound is very good for that kind of small profile, and w/ the wireless sub there is no cable to mess with..
Thank you for your helpful information friend. So I assume the tailoring of the functions (powering on and off, etc.) is done by virtue of the soundbar coming from Samsung and designed to work through the TV's menu? -- otherwise you would need a screen feed back to the TV from the soundbar for a menu that might be internal to that unit. Do you have a model number that would be intended for the 55" models?
Thanks!
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post #324 of 3051
4/23/11 at 5:53pm
lol...
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post #325 of 3051
4/24/11 at 2:46am
lol indeed...

Well lets spend more than I ever will on a car for an absolutely amazing sound system but lets use the crapy (yes crapy, because no speaker THAT small and THAT thin can ever be good, especially the way they are setup) speakers of the uber thin Samsung LCD for most viewing. What do you use that sound system for then? Books on tape!?

Unless your TV is in a different room but it doesn't sound like that is the case.

Really sorry dude for being a jerk but I can't take this

I give up, people, just keep hating these TVs instead of enjoying them for what they are. Some issues really are a defective set, most stuff is expected right off the bat, like SOME light bleding, like crapy speakers... (yeah I know, it's the resonating metal that's the real issue)
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post #326 of 3051
4/24/11 at 4:53am
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Originally Posted by toonj64 View Post

lol indeed...

Well lets spend more than I ever will on a car for an absolutely amazing sound system but lets use the crapy (yes crapy, because no speaker THAT small and THAT thin can ever be good, especially the way they are setup) speakers of the uber thin Samsung LCD for most viewing. What do you use that sound system for then? Books on tape!?

Unless your TV is in a different room but it doesn't sound like that is the case.

Really sorry dude for being a jerk but I can't take this

I give up, people, just keep hating these TVs instead of enjoying them for what they are. Some issues really are a defective set, most stuff is expected right off the bat, like SOME light bleding, like crapy speakers... (yeah I know, it's the resonating metal that's the real issue)

Agreed. I will accept some issues along with the gorgeous visuals and other features of this set. At this point in time, I have accepted that I may just keep the little dampening patches all over the back of my new TV, and keep my new TV as well, even though undampened, the rear panel vibrates. Fact of the matter is that I glory in the utterly impressive blu-ray performance, have bought hundreds of dollars worth of new blu-rays, and brought out many old ones to re-enjoy.

Have not turned on the impressive sound system once during that time. And since you ask, I basically do not use the sound system anymore. In compiling this system I was looking for audiophile sound at rock concert volume. In a clear case of be careful what you wish for, I got it. Blasted my ears for years. Now that seems like not such a good idea, and I should really sell it off, as my giant speakers really only act as pieces of furniture upon which to support other electronics.

I even acquired a few much smaller systems which I still have too. Listening to them also does not seem advised, but what I can do is use the TV speakers and my imagination if I am not distracted by distortion -- I have a very low tolerance for distortion, buzzing, etc.
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post #327 of 3051
4/24/11 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

No offense, but my main speakers are 400 lbs apiece and retail for over $30K. One of my centers is a 200 lb, dual 10" bass driver custom piece flanked by two floor standers (also in service as center channels), that retail for $15K or so. At one point I had Plinius monoblocks for every speaker, including dual $8K apiece mono amps just for the rear speakers. So I have surround sound covered. I still expect that the speakers included with a TV should be functional, and for most viewing, I will still use only the TV speakers. BTW, no return of a larger TV model for a smaller is necessitated to afford proper surround sound -- I recently purchased 3 TVs -- including two Samsung 55" LEDs, and a 58" plasma -- the UN55C6500 that I got had no such sonic issues as does the D6000, so it is a new design flaw. Why not just consider everything that is not the screen to be optional? Why should they give you a working remote? How about a stand? The speakers should work as speakers and in concert with a non-vibrating rear panel, but now with my fix, I am satisfied that the sound is quite good, so may not even bother with a sound bar, but I will certainly look into it.

With such outstanding a surround sound setup that you have, how could you have ever imagined the speakers in less than 1 inch of space would even be useable for adequate sound? Honestly if not for the arrangements that no other speakers are available, a TV should not even come with them at this point. Lose the speakers and drop the price, in my opinion. Or even add a jack to the back of the TV to hook up a front pair without a receiver. Then you have drop a few dollors, but pick it up with a small set of fronts. Not sure how the TV would handle it, but it is an idea.
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post #328 of 3051
4/24/11 at 10:35am
To add to the talk of stuttering, really the only time I notice it is during a basketball game when they are zoomed in on a running player, and the crowd is in the background. I also noticed it a little bit last night while watching a boxing match when they're zoomed in close on a fighter punching rapidly.

Edit: I should also add that I'm not currently using toon's suggestion of Blur 10 and Judder 0. As I just got the TV I don't know much about either setting or what they do exactly. I don't mind the "soap" effect that much. I used it to check out Inception on Blu-ray and it looked awesome in fact. The TV really is amazing in picture quality.
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post #329 of 3051
4/24/11 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by dan_o_00 View Post

To add to the talk of stuttering, really the only time I notice it is during a basketball game when they are zoomed in on a running player, and the crowd is in the background. I also noticed it a little bit last night while watching a boxing match when they're zoomed in close on a fighter punching rapidly.

Edit: I should also add that I'm not currently using toon's suggestion of Blur 10 and Judder 0. As I just got the TV I don't know much about either setting or what they do exactly. I don't mind the "soap" effect that much. I used it to check out Inception on Blu-ray and it looked awesome in fact. The TV really is amazing in picture quality.

Well welcome my friend to the select group of people who like AMP and the soap effect.
Blur 10 and judder 0 loses all the WOW. When people watch a Blu-ray and are BLOWN AWAY, it's more than just nice PQ. That's AMP at work and the awesome effect that so many people bash. Really, I can get not loving the soap effect (This is an awful name by the way, who can like something than makes reference to the young and the restless!?) but so many people say they HATE IT.
So i'm with you, I don't use judder 0 my self or even clear. But AMP does struggle and most likely your cable/satelite provider has too much compression. If you could watch that NBA game on Blu-ray, I'm sure you would not have that problem.
I hate digital tv, over the air is way better (no compression). To offer a bajillion channels they have to compress like crazy. I download everything I watch in HD and dont pay for cable.
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post #330 of 3051
4/25/11 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by Nakattk View Post

With such outstanding a surround sound setup that you have, how could you have ever imagined the speakers in less than 1 inch of space would even be useable for adequate sound? Honestly if not for the arrangements that no other speakers are available, a TV should not even come with them at this point. Lose the speakers and drop the price, in my opinion. Or even add a jack to the back of the TV to hook up a front pair without a receiver. Then you have drop a few dollors, but pick it up with a small set of fronts. Not sure how the TV would handle it, but it is an idea.

Not only are the speakers usable for adequate sound, but they are better than might be expected. Happy they are there. Last year's C6500 had a more rigid back panel, and that sound is pretty decent too, minus the resonating buzz.

Interestingly my very early Pioneer plasma had side-mounting speakers, powered with an internal (to the TV) 15 watt per channel amp. You ran wires along the backside to connect to the side speakers. This gave pretty good sound, but better yet, you could just disconnect, or altogether remove, the side-mounts (and switch out the external wires for that matter) for much larger speakers. In fact, I never actually hooked up the side speakers -- the internal amps were robust and gave great sound to bookshelf speakers. Now that is a trade-off I could really go for -- no speakers but instead provide internal amps, however, I must admit that in the present application, with my 55" Samsung partially supported on the bedpost at the foot of my giant bed, adding external speakers, even a soundbar, poses certain space problems -- really isn't any convenient locale for getting stereo sound with even small speakers.

There was a time when I would have scoffed at using the TV sound, but that is what led to going overboard to the point where it seems inadvisable to continue battering my ears with all the gear I've assembled. I guess the only thing remaining might be to finally decide to shed the excess and sell off the expensive equipment....
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