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post #1 of 165
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Just curious to hear others' thoughts on the actual cost savings of cutting cable and using HTPCs as an alternative.

I am wading into this world slowly and carefully; my kids are all under 5, and I don't have the time to jump in by building several HTPCs from scratch and doing all the tinkering that comes with the turf of setting up media servers and streaming and optimizing my home network. I need to make a good use case to my wife before she'll grant me the time and funding to build HTPCs, build home servers, set up all these streaming services, etc etc etc.

But, that is my goal - partially for the cost savings, and partially because I want to be able to do things like transfer content, stream content, and show relatives pictures and movies more easily than I can today.

So, I started with a proof of concept Dell Zino in our family room, which is the least used room in the house for media consumption, and I justified the purchase by downgrading my FiOS package ($15/month savings), getting rid of 2 of our TiVO boxes ($20/month savings), replacing 4 S Cards with 1 M Card for the remaining TiVO ($12/months savings), and getting rid of 1 FiOS STB ($6/month savings) we didn't use that I was too lazy to return. This justified the cost of the Zino to my wife.

But here's the rub. If I look at the cost of dropping the cable portion of my package entirely, the lowest tier internet which FiOS offers is $54.99/mo on the website. Maybe I can get them lower, maybe not.

The current promotion they offered me when I called to change packages had the lowest FiOS HD tier TV + internet bundle for $69.99 for 6 months and $79.99 after 6 months. If I stick with Verizon and fully "cut the cord", all I'm saving is an additional $15/month if I can't get a better deal on just the internet.

So the question for cord cutters - did you have so much equipment before cutting the cord (lots of HD DVRs, lots of TiVOs, every TV programming package and premium package under the sun) so the cost savings of moving to a HTPC solution was greater, or am I missing something in my calculus?

My thought for now is cutting the cord is overrated for cost savings but well worth it for the benefits of a well configured HTPC.
post #2 of 165
I cut the cord over a year ago and had very little equipment from Brighthouse. I only had one set-top box and the cost of digital cable. Unfortunately, that by itself cost about $85.00 per month. So that is my cost savings, which has finally paid for itself as of this writing.

My opinion is that cable really sucks. Can't think of a better way to put it. I spent all of this money throughout the years with prices increasing every year, and I always watched 90% OTA networks and maybe 10% cable. If it wasn't for The Food Network and The Discovery Channel (or TLC and Bravo for the wife) I probably wouldn't have ever watched cable. So, for me at least, the decision to use an antenna and go OTA was a no brainer.

What I did works great for me, but I can't recommend it to everyone. If you really watch cable, then you need to keep it because it will probably be worth it for you. The best thing to do is track what you watch for a week or two and figure out how much you actually watch cable. Then you can make an informed decision about cutting the cord or not. Ninty percent of the shows I watch can be gotten OTA (and DVR'ed with the HTPC). Five percent can be gotten for free online through Hulu or the network websites. The other 5% I have decided that I can live without (yes, even ESPN). After figureing it all out, it was an easy decision.

Finally, many people think I can only do this because I am an older guy that is used to living without cable. But I have had cable my entire life until last year. Both my wife and I are in our early thirties, and it is amazing the reaction we get when we tell people our age that we don't have cable. One other thing . . . I found that my productivity at home doubled since getting rid of cable. You never realize how much time you waste sitting in front of the boob tube watching crap on cable until you can't watch it anymore.
post #3 of 165
I had gone completely separate routes for internet and TV: AT&T DSL internet, and Dish Network satellite. Dropping Dish completely eliminated that bill, but didn't do anything for my monthly internet bill. I'm probably saving 1k/year without Dish, but I'm not up-to-date with the shows as they are originally aired. As long as I catch the good shows on disc a few months after the season wraps, I can handle it.
post #4 of 165
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Originally Posted by rocketlaw View Post

(yes, even ESPN)

I wish there was an a la carte service. If that were the case I would get about 5 channels and not pay for anything else.

My wife is a bigger sports fan than me (if you can believe that) and if it weren't for ESPN, NFL-N, Food Network and maybe bravo I would get rid of DirecTV.
post #5 of 165
If you have kids under age 5 you don't have a whole lot of time to watch TV anyways. Sure you can watch all the Pixar, PBS kids, and Nick programs you want, but it's 8:00 before you can watch YOUR TV shows... We cut the cord because we just have TIME to watch grown-up TV.
post #6 of 165
With Comcast I personally went from $125/mo down to $47/mo by "cutting the cord." That was basically by canceling Digital Premier, giving back 3 boxes, and keeping the limited basic TV package so that my internet price still remains lower. Gives me more reliable QAM HD channels than trying to pull in OTA, as well as a few additional channels I wouldn't get with an antenna like WGN.

With the advent of ESPN3, I was finally able to pull the trigger on all of this. I realized I was basically paying $80/month for ESPN and the Big Ten Network. The majority of our TV watching and all the shows we record are on the major local networks. And if you really gotta have something that's on cable or premium networks that's what Netflix and torrents are for.

I guess to the OPs questions, it really just depends on your provider on how much you can actually save. For me it was definitely worth it, and now we have an awesome integrated experience at all 3 of the main TVs in our hours. TV Recordings, 100's of HD movies, all our music and pics can be viewed anywhere in the house.

There's still those little quirks you are always fighting with the PCs, but I'm 90% there and loving every second of it.
post #7 of 165
For my part, I innocently activated trials of Netflix and Hulu Plus after realizing that 90% of my programming was just the same five or six shows, all but one readily available online. In three days with the trials, I watched a half dozen shows I'd never seen before and two seasons of my old favorites, and suddenly, TV was fun again. I'm building the HTPC now, but haven't had TWC to watch for nearly a month and haven't caught myself missing it except for one minor issue.

Monthly savings are over $70, HTPC will pay for itself in less than a year. As the TV supports Netflix and Hulu, I'm really only going this route to also eliminate my separate Blu-Ray player and funnel all of my media consumption (including much of my music) through one device.

(The minor issue: I telecommute, and am finding my home office oddly lonely without cable news, etc. Daytime OTA programming is pretty bad, and I'm not finding a lot of good streaming substitutes for more passive viewing. Maybe I should build a selection of podcasts to work through.)
post #8 of 165
I cut the cord in Nov. 2008 and I have saved $2,400 in cable fees since. I only pay $20 a month for AT&T's 1.5 Mbps DSL. You can buy a Channel Master 7000 dual HD tuner DVR for $300 with no monthly fees. If there is anything on cable you must see you can either find it online, rent it from Netflix, or take the $100 a month you are saving by not having pay TV and buy it on DVD.

Pay TV sucks and its a huge ripoff. There are mostly reality shows on most channels, they have 3 hour blocks of the same worn out show, and more commercials than ever. Most of the commercial infested movies they keep showing over and over you can buy on DVD for $5 out of the bargain bin at Wal-mart. You get to spend money on programming you want to watch and after you watch it you get to keep it. No more paying for repeats.
post #9 of 165
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Originally Posted by MarcSparks View Post

With Comcast I personally went from $125/mo down to $47/mo by "cutting the cord." That was basically by canceling Digital Premier, giving back 3 boxes, and keeping the limited basic TV package so that my internet price still remains lower. Gives me more reliable QAM HD channels than trying to pull in OTA, as well as a few additional channels I wouldn't get with an antenna like WGN.

With the advent of ESPN3, I was finally able to pull the trigger on all of this. I realized I was basically paying $80/month for ESPN and the Big Ten Network. The majority of our TV watching and all the shows we record are on the major local networks. And if you really gotta have something that's on cable or premium networks that's what Netflix and torrents are for.

I guess to the OPs questions, it really just depends on your provider on how much you can actually save. For me it was definitely worth it, and now we have an awesome integrated experience at all 3 of the main TVs in our hours. TV Recordings, 100's of HD movies, all our music and pics can be viewed anywhere in the house.

There's still those little quirks you are always fighting with the PCs, but I'm 90% there and loving every second of it.

I think you hit on where I was going with my post. If you're cutting the cord, you absolutely still require a reliable internet connection. And while there are clearly many benefits to having a HTPC which are becoming easier to justify, its cost savings are not necessarily as great as people tend to advertise.

So like you, where I live comcast internet is $59.99, comcast internet + limited cable = $47. FiOS 15/5 internet is $54.99. FiOS 15/5 internet plus limited cable is $67.99. FiOS 15/5 internet plus Prime HD is $69.99. If I dropped to just internet from Verizon, and subscribed to Hulu+ and to Netflix, then my monthly 'cable' bill would be $70.99. And in that case, I'd rather pay for the lowest tier TV/internet bundle and I would be advertising to my friends the benefits of a HTPC, and not focusing on the cost savings element.

The big savings is, IMO, if you were "overweight" on services and add-ons for your tv and internet. My parents as an example - they have FiOS triple play ($99.99) plus 2 multi-room HD DVRs ($19.99/each) plus the full movie package ($35.99) plus some other online services I'm fairly certain they don't realize they're paying for. Their bill is over $200/month after taxes. If they went my route, they could cut that from $200ish down to $77ish.
post #10 of 165
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Originally Posted by larrytrain View Post

Just curious to hear others' thoughts on the actual cost savings of cutting cable and using HTPCs as an alternative.

I would suggest you take a step back and deturmine what *activities* you want to be able to do at each TV. Then decide if you even need HTPCs at each TV, or at any of the TVs at all. There are other options that may cost less (and gain higher WAF) depending on your needs.

Personally, I DVR OTA shows; watch Netflix, hulu (not plus), ESPN3, AmazonVOD, DVD/BR rips, etc. etc. at all my TVs. No HTPCs directly connected to any of them.

-Suntan
post #11 of 165
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Originally Posted by rocketlaw View Post

Finally, many people think I can only do this because I am an older guy that is used to living without cable. But I have had cable my entire life until last year. Both my wife and I are in our early thirties, and it is amazing the reaction we get when we tell people our age that we don't have cable.

I can relate to that. Most acquaintances that find out I don't have cable/sat start out looking at me with pity. If/when they ever visit my home, they leave with envy

Cable/sat really is a blunt object that is truly targeted to the lowest common denominator.

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Originally Posted by rocketlaw View Post

One other thing . . . I found that my productivity at home doubled since getting rid of cable. You never realize how much time you waste sitting in front of the boob tube watching crap on cable until you can't watch it anymore.

This is true too. Without cable, we watch a lot less stuff, but a lot more stuff that we actually want to watch. And this was back many years ago when I could usually find something somewhat compelling to watch.

Now, when I go on business trips and I am stuck in the hotel in the evening, it is rare that I can find anything worth watching on all those channels.

-Suntan
post #12 of 165
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Originally Posted by larrytrain View Post

So like you, where I live comcast internet is $59.99, comcast internet + limited cable = $47. FiOS 15/5 internet is $54.99. FiOS 15/5 internet plus limited cable is $67.99. FiOS 15/5 internet plus Prime HD is $69.99. If I dropped to just internet from Verizon, and subscribed to Hulu+ and to Netflix, then my monthly 'cable' bill would be $70.99.

Two comments.

1) Your internet selection in your area sucks. It may result in a poor ROI in your situation, but for people that have lower cost internet options in their area, the calculations are much more favorable. (Just throwing that out in case anyone was making broad assumptions based on this thread.)

2) You don't need to pay for Hulu+. If you setup an OTA DVR, HULU+ becomes rather redundent.

-Suntan
post #13 of 165
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Originally Posted by Servicetech571 View Post

If you have kids under age 5 you don't have a whole lot of time to watch TV anyways. Sure you can watch all the Pixar, PBS kids, and Nick programs you want, but it's 8:00 before you can watch YOUR TV shows... We cut the cord because we just have TIME to watch grown-up TV.

Bwahahahhaahahaha!

I swear, it sounds like you're living in my house. Are you hiding under my couch or something?

^this is the exact routine in my house with a 3 year old and 9 month old. I regret getting Directv a year ago, since all that's ever on until 8:00 or 8:30 is Nick/Dis/Sprout/etc.

I usually have 30 minutes or so to catch the news and that's it!
post #14 of 165
Getting rid of all those STB from the tv providers saves quite a bit of dough. I get the limit basic service from Comcast, which is around $22/mn. I can get OTA, but I have been too lazy to hook up the antenna to the house; I also have to get a signal amp.

I would also include the cost of the services such as Netflix and so forth. I already subscribed to them, so it wasn't not an issue for me. If I got OTA, my overall bill will lower, but my internet will go up; I think i would say $10/mn. I do subscribe to more online sports services, which does cut into the savings. Yet, I am able to watch more what I want, when I want. No more hoping my team will be on a channel I get. So, I look at those cost as a convenience cost.

and yes, day time TV, in general, stinks a fatty.
post #15 of 165
My DTV contract runs out on August 8th and I'm out the door (at a savings of $95/mo). My cable is TWC ($45/mo). My wife and I have a 2-yr old at home and similarly to the above, we never have time to watch TV. Kid goes to sleep around 730-8PM. Then we eat dinner, take care of regular household stuff, prepare for the next day. By then it's after 9PM. If there is a game on I want to see, I usually have it on in the background. If it's one of my teams, I'll skip the 'important' stuff and watch it. But generally speaking, besides sports, we probably only watch 2-3 hrs of TV all week. And probably half of that we don't really care about.

Football season has kept my premium TV plan to this point. But I finally decided those 15-wks out of the year aren't worth the >$1,000 I'm paying annually.

I'm planning on recording OTA, utilizing ESPN3, Netflilx, and hulu. In total, I will be saving the entire $95/mo from DTV (we already have Netflix). And I'll probably still see all the game I really care about.
post #16 of 165
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Two comments.

1) Your internet selection in your area sucks. It may result in a poor ROI in your situation, but for people that have lower cost internet options in their area, the calculations are much more favorable. (Just throwing that out in case anyone was making broad assumptions based on this thread.)

2) You don't need to pay for Hulu+. If you setup an OTA DVR, HULU+ becomes rather redundent.

-Suntan

Please explain in more detail #1. I challenge you to justify your statement. There are plenty of cheap internet options in my area, but none would allow typical internet usage as we use it (streaming 1080 video from the internet, potentially from multiple users concurrently, downloading movies from iTunes or other streaming services, working at home, Skype video with family, VOIP, photo and movie sharing with family who are not local) for less than $50/month.

In my area, Comcast's cheapest internet plan comes with a monthly cap on GBs and they throttle usage. It costs $45, but again, with severe limitations on usage.

DSL is available, but also at $24.99 for a 1.5 Mbps connection, how is that useful for the future when more services and online usage are going to require a faster connection?

Clear is available in my area, an 'unlimited' plan with probably 2-3 Mbps down and up to 1 Mbps up is $45.

You are missing the fact most people who would even consider a HTPC alternative probably consume more data and require more bandwidth, especially as more networks move to models like ESPN where they have direct on demand access through the internet.

I'm sure the situation and math is going to be different for every household, but at the same time, a large % of people thinking about cutting the cord would probably have higher internet usage requirements and MAY find the savings is not so great once they take into account the cost of internet only service from a cable company, the cost of additional cable replacement services like MLB.com, Netflix, Hulu, etc.

On your second point, I agree, but most people I read or know about who cut the cord did opt for Hulu+.

For my situation, what I found is the biggest cost savings is getting rid of all the bloat in my cable bill, and not necessarily in getting rid of cable altogether. We could, but at $15 additional savings from where it costs now, it's not worth it to me.

From other comments I don't think I'm missing anything, and everyone is validating my point about the overall cost savings not being in ditching cable entirely per se, but re-evaluating your usage and setting up your home to maximize the capabilities which benefit your household most.
post #17 of 165
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Originally Posted by Servicetech571 View Post

If you have kids under age 5 you don't have a whole lot of time to watch TV anyways. Sure you can watch all the Pixar, PBS kids, and Nick programs you want, but it's 8:00 before you can watch YOUR TV shows... We cut the cord because we just have TIME to watch grown-up TV.

Who's in charge here?
post #18 of 165
I looked into OTA vs. basic cable. I tried a few antennas but never got more than a couple of channels (I am 50-60mi from the network antennas and have a large hill in between). To try more would mean more antenna infrastructure and lots more $$$. However, it turns out if I keep the most basic cable with my internet, I get a $15 discount making the cable a whole $4/month. What I get with that is pretty much what I was trying unsuccessfully to get OTA and so far -- knock on wood - the networks are clearQAM so I can tune them with my regular tuners.

For me "cutting the cord" really just means getting rid of the STBs and their phone service/modem and using my HTPCs/extenders to watch TV. On-demand is replaced by Netflix. Beyond that maybe we'll just watch less TV, do more together, maybe read a book, go to bed early, crazy stuff like that.
post #19 of 165
It always comes down to want/needs. I would say for 99% of the population going with a basic service of Netflix Streaming Only + HuluPlus they can accomplish all of their viewing needs while still keeping the cost under their current subscription plan. Not to mention this can easily be accomplished without the need for a "HTPC" and just buying Roku boxes. You can get 6 Roku boxes for the cost of one ASRock ION PC.

As with anything premium channels and sports are always the big issue. For me sports is the major issue as i live in a NYC/Philly so I have to keep cable for live baseball games due to black out rules.
post #20 of 165
Any idea what it would cost to have someone install an antenna in my attic and run the cable directly down to my TV?
post #21 of 165
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I wish there was an a la carte service. If that were the case I would get about 5 channels and not pay for anything else.

+1

I am tired of being forced into bundles. I cannot even get uverse to take off OTA programming and just give me, say, the sports package or just the specific series I watch on the premium channels for a small(er) fee. I have no need for the movies as I have the ones I want on blu-ray or otherwise and the quality they deliver for this content is completely unacceptable.

So I am searching out alternate means to get my media. The content providers are going to be seeing a lot of this going forward as other ways of receiving content become more main stream and user friendly. Most consumers aren't savy or patient enough to deal with setting up codecx, media players and HDTV tuner cards but out of the box solutions are coming forward.

As far as ESPN3 goes, I was watching the Galaxy/Sounders game last night and the picture and audio quality on uverse was much, much better than streaming from espn3.com and I have 24Mbps internet. So I don't know about completely cutting the cord but I'm certainly curtailing it. I just "cancelled" HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, Starz, Encore and all the rest of the premium channels and uverse customer retention gave HBO/Cinemax back to me for free for three months and the Movie Package (rest of the premium channels) for free for twelve months. So I'll keep it for a while but they just cut my bill by $46 a month just by cancelling the premium content.
post #22 of 165
Most DVR subscriptions are overpriced too. A 7.99 Hulu+ subscription is about half the cost of someone paying for their crappy cable provided DVR.
post #23 of 165
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Any idea what it would cost to have someone install an antenna in my attic and run the cable directly down to my TV?

You can build an HTPC but can't install an antenna?
post #24 of 165
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Originally Posted by larrytrain View Post

Please explain in more detail #1. I challenge you to justify your statement.

You justified it by showing what options were available in your area and what they cost. $50 or more for a capped connection is the deffinition of a "sucky" plan in my book.

Sorry if you took offense to me bagging on your local internet providers. That wasn't my intention. I was just pointing out that "YMMV."

But I will bring up one other thing, something that has been said many times wherever these threads pop up (by myself and many others.) Anyone looking to "cut the cord" but not really change their viewing habits and/or consumption amount in any meaningful way will likely be disapointed.

If the expected savings aren't worth it to you, then it probably does make sense for you to stay with your cable.

Anyway, sorry for giving you "my thoughts" on the subject. Clearly you didn't ask for them...

-Suntan
post #25 of 165
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

You can build an HTPC but can't install an antenna?

I have to put it in my attic (easy)

Drill a hole in my ceiling studs in the right place (not easy)

And fish the wire to the correct place right behind my TV in my built in entertainment either (potentially not easy).

So if this is $500 I would do it myself. If it is $100 then I may hire someone to do it.
post #26 of 165
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I have to put it in my attic (easy)

Drill a hole in my ceiling studs in the right place (not easy)

And fish the wire to the correct place right behind my TV in my built in entertainment either (potentially not easy).

So if this is $500 I would do it myself. If it is $100 then I may hire someone to do it.

Where are you? I come over and install it for you... today only $499.99!
post #27 of 165
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I have to put it in my attic (easy)

Drill a hole in my ceiling studs in the right place (not easy)

And fish the wire to the correct place right behind my TV in my built in entertainment either (potentially not easy).

So if this is $500 I would do it myself. If it is $100 then I may hire someone to do it.

Before you spend money to hire someone you should have a look in your attic. You may notice a coax cable in your attic that drops down to that TV. Now you've just found the right place to start fishing.

I just ran gigabit ethernet to four rooms and it was pretty easy to figure out where to run the cables.
post #28 of 165
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Originally Posted by scfoxman View Post

Bwahahahhaahahaha!

I swear, it sounds like you're living in my house. Are you hiding under my couch or something?

^this is the exact routine in my house with a 3 year old and 9 month old. I regret getting Directv a year ago, since all that's ever on until 8:00 or 8:30 is Nick/Dis/Sprout/etc.

I usually have 30 minutes or so to catch the news and that's it!

Same exact position here. I have a 10 month old and my wife and I get to watch tv from about 9-10 every night. After researching this forum for a few months, I got really excited about possibly cutting cable and building a HTPC for my new house. I even purchased a Silverstone GD06 case that's still sitting in it's boxed unopened. At first, I tried convincing my wife the cost savings of cutting cable, but we only have 1 tv and box, so after speaking to comcast several times, it was very, very apparent that the price of internet alone is only about $10 cheaper than going with internet + tv.

So, after fuming for a few days, I ordered comcast internet + tv and have now switched gears to convincing myself and wife that the HTPC isn't really a cost savings, but a convienence item like burning all her disney movies so our kid doesn't ruin the discs or viewing home movies. I even played the "this is my new hobby" card.

Summary: I believe that cutting costs of your existing cable / satellite really only happens if you have multiple boxes or premium packages so you need to find another real reason to build an HTPC.
post #29 of 165
I replaced all my FiOS boxes w/ a Ceton, it's saving me $45/mo. Though I had dropped DirecTV back in the early days of HD for OTA (I actually got more HD that way) we really never watched anything other than locals back then, OTA also isn't a very reliable option for us San Diego's antennas are blocked by hills/mountains and LA's though further than what the max should be (being on top of a mountain offsets this a bit) can be picked up but I had to pick between ABC and FOX (maybe now that analog and they've moved the digital to the analogs freq I can use a different type of antenna that might work better) and we also watch a lot of other content besides locals though some we could live w/o much we really don't want to lose, though some can be had for free via the internet others would require a fee and some aren't available and all would be at a great loss of quality and convenience to access/watch(not just that you'd need to use various things to access the content but live world feed won't just record while I'm sleeping).
post #30 of 165
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I replaced all my FiOS boxes w/ a Ceton, it's saving me $45/mo

I think another big misconception for most people is time it takes to recoup upfront cost of your investment. Yes you're technically saving $45/month but it's going to take you 10 months to start actually earning that money back. Not knocking you, just pointing out that it isn't black|white when it comes to building a HTPC to save money. Hence my comment from before about netflix/hulu combo.

I also think anyone of us can attest that a HTPC quickly turns into a hobby which can often lead to a lot of out of pocket costs, not to mention being your own technical support. C'mon now, who has had something break on their computer from a single update?
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