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post #31 of 81
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Originally Posted by lpnaz480 View Post

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on the 59. Just a little hesitant cuz I do t know if I want to go active 3d or go a passive route.

They both have their trade offs but I'd go active cause of the drop in resolution and you needing to sit in a sweet spot (what about the other folks). The active glasses are expensive but Samsung is giving two in the starter kit and some are reporting vouchers (inside the tv box) for two more pairs. Some don't care for wearing glasses but at least the glasses are much better this year and Samsung has addressed the drop out, brightness, ghosting problem too. To me active is there and passive is climbing into the ring.
post #32 of 81
I did see that starter kit deal and that's really what sparked my interest in upgrading. That and the 50d6500 is well in my budget.
post #33 of 81
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Originally Posted by lpnaz480 View Post

I did see that starter kit deal and that's really what sparked my interest in upgrading. That and the 50d6500 is well in my budget.

Let us know what you decide but it looks like active. I should be getting my new set (PN64D8000) tomorrow.
post #34 of 81
I was looking into that model too. I just don't think I need that added features like web browsing. I am interested in if the LCE is a gimmick or really changes/helps the picture
post #35 of 81
Received and setup my 51D6500 yesterday (my first HD TV). It was very easy to setup.

- no buzz
- very slight tilt-back (not noticeable unless you really look for it)

So far, I haven't used HDMI but I have a comment on the AV input adapter cable. I started using the composite video/audio from my satellite receiver and I couldn't get a signal with the correct input selected. I tried the component video inputs and still the same problem. The issue was the dual-plug adapter/cable assembly has to be pushed in VERY hard so that the ground-part of the plugs is completely hidden in the jack. Then its fine.
I realize that HDMI is what everyone will use, but I need component/compos. for some stuff. The adapter cable seems very flimsy so I'll probably get a spare backup.

I love the simplicity of the remote control. The built-in WiFi is great .. did a search for local WiFi networks and instantly found my router at the other end of the house ... strong receiver.

Has anyone tried DLNA streaming to the 6500 using either DMP from shared network folders or DMR via PlayTo from Win7?

I'll setup my OPPO BDP-95 Blu-ray player today via HDMI and check out the USB in performance.
post #36 of 81
Unbelieveable! DLNA streaming wirelessly to the 51D6500 works flawlessly! This works perfectly using the 6500 either (1) as a DMP (Digital Medial Player) where one navigates shared folders on PCs (for example) on your local network using the 6500 remote control or (2) as a DMR (Digital Media Renderer) where you PUSH play from Win7 which is extremely convenient.

The only glitch I found was the images displayed using approach 1 (DMP) were all tiny. After an apps dnld/update (a whole bunch of them) the problem was fixed. The navigation buttons on the remote are logically set up and intuitive.
post #37 of 81
Is there an included web-browser app for the D6500? I can't seem to find it! Did they drop this app?

Also, in the Apps store there is no way that I can see to download any other apps.
post #38 of 81
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post
Is there an included web-browser app for the D6500? I can't seem to find it! Did they drop this app?

Also, in the Apps store there is no way that I can see to download any other apps.

I've downloaded plenty of apps for my 51d6500, don't understand what the problem is, just go to app store, click on the app and it downloads, if it won't work on your tv it won't download, also why do you need a browser on your tv? Thats dumb to me, but i guess to each his own.
post #39 of 81
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Originally Posted by Kpkimmel View Post

I've downloaded plenty of apps for my 51d6500, don't understand what the problem is, just go to app store, click on the app and it downloads, if it won't work on your tv it won't download, also why do you need a browser on your tv? Thats dumb to me, but i guess to each his own.

I called Samsung today and the advertised web browser app is only included in the 8000 series Plasmas. Also none of the 2011 actually includes that lcd touch-remote control. All the provide (in the upper end sets) is a coupon towards getting one.

In the app store I don't see any ones that are available for download. The Samsung person told me you have to register first on line to actually see the samsung apps that are available for pay to download. (haven't done that yet).

I wonder if this has to do with availability of the apps in Canada?
post #40 of 81
What about the service menu hack that changes it to a 8000, would this work into tricking the app program into thinking its an 8000 and let you download the web browser app?

Also, is samsung not making 2d panels this year?
What is the difference between 6500/6900. Canada/US models?
post #41 of 81
Samsung confirmed that there are currently no "pay" apps available for Canadian models at 6500 level.
Also the web browser app. isn't included. There is a huge place-holder graphic (in the SmartHub) at the middle left that does nothing but open a full-screen image.
Nice thing about the new models (like D6500) is that no PS Share Manager install required on PC for DLNA streaming from XP up (although Play to only works with Win7). Also I gather that Samsung has changed what they called "Internet@TV" to SmartHub.
post #42 of 81
Can someone verify the default picture propertiesthe pn51D6500 uses? The software upgraded to version 001007 (Canadian model, not sure if that makes a difference) and the pic. properties default to:
Cell Light 20 (maximum)
Contrast 100 (maximum)
45
55
55
50 (Tint)
I'm pretty sure that the default settings (when I first used the TV) were not set at maximum Cell Light and Contrast.
post #43 of 81
neutron - I plan on picking a 51d6900 up tonight. I'll get back to you with the default settings as soon as I can.

Side note, I'm in NS too! hah
post #44 of 81
mjduke .. sounds good. I had to pre-order/deposit on a 6500 to make sure I got one and it was well worth the risk. There is an interesting comparison on the Amazon site on differences between 2011 plasma models here (scroll down to see it):
Comparison of 2011 Models
The 6900 model isn't included in that comparison (similar to 6500 but with a few extra features). The 8000 model (too rich for me ... 51D8000 ~ Can $2k!) is the only one that includes the LCD remote.
post #45 of 81
Just curious as to why you didnt get a 6900? I'm guessing you got it a while ago? Did yours come with the qwerty remote like the 6900s?
post #46 of 81
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Originally Posted by mjduke View Post

Just curious as to why you didnt get a 6900? I'm guessing you got it a while ago? Did yours come with the qwerty remote like the 6900s?


I just picked it up 2 weeks ago. I see that the 6900 via Future Shop does come with a qwerty remote (I was confusing that remote with the higher-up LCD/qwerty touch-screen remote which in fact only comes with the 8000).
At any rate, the 6500 was within my budget (~ $1200) but the 6900 looks like ~ $1500 at Future Shot. The
6500 had the main things I wanted (1) built-in WiFi (2) 4 HDMI inputs (3) fabulous picture (the color balance is fantastic and blackness level is superb and of course (4) DLNA.
However, I might pick up the qwerty remote ($100) some time later. Handy if you use the search fn a lot.
post #47 of 81
Just got my 6900 home and hooked up. Standard mode defalut settings are
Cell 10
Contrast 95
Brightness 45
Sharpness 50
Color 50
Tint 50/50

Time to play!
post #48 of 81
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Originally Posted by mjduke View Post

Just got my 6900 home and hooked up. Standard mode defalut settings are
Cell 10
Contrast 95
Brightness 45
Sharpness 50
Color 50
Tint 50/50

Time to play!

hmmm, interesting (that the Cell brightness is only at half). Did you connect to network yet to see if updates affects that setting?
Enjoy!
post #49 of 81
I have it on my network but havent run the update yet. Actually had to download the youtube app manually.

The qwerty remote is pretty slick with one exception. The illumination is only on the remote side and not the qwerty side. Weird but its easy enought to use by memory.

Loving the screen so far!
post #50 of 81
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post
hmmm, interesting (that the Cell brightness is only at half). Did you connect to network yet to see if updates affects that setting?
Enjoy!
I doubled checked that and the Pictures Mode was set as Dynamic. Switching back to Normal gives the correct default settings. I find the 50% Cell brightness a bit low, so I adjust that to 70%.
post #51 of 81
After ~ 2 weeks, my pn51D6500 has developed 2 problems that weren't there on delivery:

(1) an annoying slight flicker in the display has developed (not related to the TV display as it happens for any display (including SmartHub). Flicker is roughly every sec.

(2) the wireless part is very flaky now. It used to connect after about 20 sec. after power-on to my wireless router, but often now, it just doesn't connect. I checked the wireless signal at the TV (with my laptop) and the signal there is a good 80% and doesn't change.
post #52 of 81
How is the 3d functionality on your set? I don't have glasses yet as I'm trying to find a retailer in the area that has them for a reasonable price - Futureshop is selling the 3300CR for $229 each!

Any comments on the 2d-3d conversion for the 6 series?
post #53 of 81
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjduke View Post

How is the 3d functionality on your set? I don't have glasses yet as I'm trying to find a retailer in the area that has them for a reasonable price - Futureshop is selling the 3300CR for $229 each!

Any comments on the 2d-3d conversion for the 6 series?

I haven't tried any 3d viewing and I don't plan on using it much.
post #54 of 81
I've had the 51D6500 for 3 days and the picture, especially faces, seem washed out or too white. Almost like they are glowing. Have adjusted gamma,brightness,etc. But still too white. AND picture seems much too dark if adjust brighness, gamma, cell light set low. It's in pitch black basement.
Thinking of taking it back-
Suggestions?
post #55 of 81
Thread Starter 
Your the first to complain about this picture, but you need to go into advanced setting and change some stuff or get your tv calibrated, i havn't had problems like that at all.so maybe just exchange and see if that fixes it.
post #56 of 81
Pros: Video, sleek look, very thin design, much better Anti-Reflective filter than the PN51D550 (I spent a lot of time in front of both in the show room checking this out).

Cons: The TV Down-Converts 5.1 surround sound audio from HDMI connected sources to 2-Channel audio before sending the audio out the Digital Optical cable to the receiver - thereby eliminating the surround sound of your system.

Summary: I am a very unhappy Samsung customer today :-(

I just got my Samsung PN51D6500 3D TV and Samsung HTD5300 receiever (Home Theater In-a-Box; HTIB) last night. I was very excited and was up late last night getting everything set up.

I will start by saying the the picture on this set is great. But I was very unhappy with the sound processing of the TV. I am a big fan of watching shows in HD and listening in 5.1 surround sound and that is why I bought this whole system. I even spent a day last weekend pre-wiring the family room for rear speakers, locating the subwoofer behind the couch, and running an internet connection and coax to the TV location.

I have several A/V devices to hook up to the TV: WOW! HD digital cable box, PS3, Wii, old VCR and some interactive kids games. Several of these items output 5.1 Dolby Digital (surround sound) audio and I was really looking forward to being immersed in the experience. I hooked the HD / 5.1 audio devices to the TV via HDMI and ran a digital optical cable from the TV to the HTIB. THE PROBLEM is that the TV DOWN-CONVERTS the 5.1 audio to 2-channel audio before passing it to the HTIB. So all you get is 2-channel audio, and it only used the front left and front right speakers. That to me is another problem as the largest and best speaker in a 5.1 system is the center channel and that is not even being used now.

I have set up many HD systems in the past and I think I know what I am doing, but I figured I was missing something here so I went to the manual. And the manual CONFIRMED that the TV will only output 2-channel audio from HDMI sources.

And then, just to be sure, I called Samsung Customer Support today. I will say that they were very friendly and took them time to try and help me out. But they also ended up saying that this is just how the TV is designed. Here is an excerpt from the manual:

"When the receiver (i.e Home Theater) is set to On, you can hear sound
output from the TV's Optical jack. When the TV is displaying a DTV (over-the-air)
signal, the TV will send out 5.1 channel sound to the receiver. When the
source is a digital component such as a DVD player (or cable box, PS3, etc.) and is connected to the
TV via HDMI, you will hear only 2 channel sound from the receiver."

That is on page 263 of the manual at http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0323191523565/[ENG_US]X6ATSCA-1007.pdf

I don't know, perhaps there is some technical reason for the TV to down convert 5.1 audio to 2-channel audio, but I must say that I think this is a serious design flaw and that someone at Samsung made a big mistake in how this is processed.

Samsung's solution, per the manual and Customer Support, is to run the video to the TV via HDMI and run the audio directly from the A/V devices to the receiver via a Digital Optical cable:

"To hear 5.1 channel audio, connect HDMI cables to your Anynet+ DVD player,
satellite box, etc. Then, connect the DIGITAL AUDIO OUT (OPTICAL) jack on
your DVD player, Satellite Box, etc. (i.e. Anynet + Device 1 or 2) directly to the
Home Theater, not the TV."

This is from page 259 of the manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0323191523565/[ENG_US]X6ATSCA-1007.pdf

I agree that this will work IF you have a receiver with enough Audio inputs for each device you are connecting. However, my Samsung HTIB receiver (which I bought as a package) only has 1 Digital Optical In. That means if I hook my cable box audio directly to the HTIB, then I CAN'T listen to any sound from the TV or any of my other devices through my receiver - I would have to use the TV's 2 speakers. And then, what would be the point of having a receiver and 5.1 system?????

I think Samsung missed the mark badly here and if they find a way to get this 5.1 audio issue corrected, then I think they will have a winner. In the meantime, I am going to stop by my local A/V store tonight to see if they have any possible work arounds for this. And if not, then my system is going to be returned.

UPDATE: Their solution is to return the HTIB and replace that with a true Receiver and a separate #D blu ray player. Then I can run all my HDMI connections into the Receiver and run a single HDMI from the receiver to the TV. This is a workable solution and it even has some advantages over the HTIB, but it will also cost me at least $200 more if I decide to go that way. And it will require more space as I am exchanging 1 box for 2. I feel a little better now that there is a workable solution for the TV, but I am unhappy that it will cost more money and I still think that Samsung made a blunder by not allowing 5.1 audio pass-thru on the TV.
post #57 of 81
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by F-Cubed View Post

Pros: Video, sleek look, very thin design, much better Anti-Reflective filter than the PN51D550 (I spent a lot of time in front of both in the show room checking this out).

Cons: The TV Down-Converts 5.1 surround sound audio from HDMI connected sources to 2-Channel audio before sending the audio out the Digital Optical cable to the receiver - thereby eliminating the surround sound of your system.

Summary: I am a very unhappy Samsung customer today :-(

I just got my Samsung PN51D6500 3D TV and Samsung HTD5300 receiever (Home Theater In-a-Box; HTIB) last night. I was very excited and was up late last night getting everything set up.

I will start by saying the the picture on this set is great. But I was very unhappy with the sound processing of the TV. I am a big fan of watching shows in HD and listening in 5.1 surround sound and that is why I bought this whole system. I even spent a day last weekend pre-wiring the family room for rear speakers, locating the subwoofer behind the couch, and running an internet connection and coax to the TV location.

I have several A/V devices to hook up to the TV: WOW! HD digital cable box, PS3, Wii, old VCR and some interactive kids games. Several of these items output 5.1 Dolby Digital (surround sound) audio and I was really looking forward to being immersed in the experience. I hooked the HD / 5.1 audio devices to the TV via HDMI and ran a digital optical cable from the TV to the HTIB. THE PROBLEM is that the TV DOWN-CONVERTS the 5.1 audio to 2-channel audio before passing it to the HTIB. So all you get is 2-channel audio, and it only used the front left and front right speakers. That to me is another problem as the largest and best speaker in a 5.1 system is the center channel and that is not even being used now.

I have set up many HD systems in the past and I think I know what I am doing, but I figured I was missing something here so I went to the manual. And the manual CONFIRMED that the TV will only output 2-channel audio from HDMI sources.

And then, just to be sure, I called Samsung Customer Support today. I will say that they were very friendly and took them time to try and help me out. But they also ended up saying that this is just how the TV is designed. Here is an excerpt from the manual:

"When the receiver (i.e Home Theater) is set to On, you can hear sound
output from the TV's Optical jack. When the TV is displaying a DTV (over-the-air)
signal, the TV will send out 5.1 channel sound to the receiver. When the
source is a digital component such as a DVD player (or cable box, PS3, etc.) and is connected to the
TV via HDMI, you will hear only 2 channel sound from the receiver."

That is on page 263 of the manual at http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0323191523565/[ENG_US]X6ATSCA-1007.pdf

I don't know, perhaps there is some technical reason for the TV to down convert 5.1 audio to 2-channel audio, but I must say that I think this is a serious design flaw and that someone at Samsung made a big mistake in how this is processed.

Samsung's solution, per the manual and Customer Support, is to run the video to the TV via HDMI and run the audio directly from the A/V devices to the receiver via a Digital Optical cable:

"To hear 5.1 channel audio, connect HDMI cables to your Anynet+ DVD player,
satellite box, etc. Then, connect the DIGITAL AUDIO OUT (OPTICAL) jack on
your DVD player, Satellite Box, etc. (i.e. Anynet + Device 1 or 2) directly to the
Home Theater, not the TV."

This is from page 259 of the manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...0323191523565/[ENG_US]X6ATSCA-1007.pdf

I agree that this will work IF you have a receiver with enough Audio inputs for each device you are connecting. However, my Samsung HTIB receiver (which I bought as a package) only has 1 Digital Optical In. That means if I hook my cable box audio directly to the HTIB, then I CAN'T listen to any sound from the TV or any of my other devices through my receiver - I would have to use the TV's 2 speakers. And then, what would be the point of having a receiver and 5.1 system?????

I think Samsung missed the mark badly here and if they find a way to get this 5.1 audio issue corrected, then I think they will have a winner. In the meantime, I am going to stop by my local A/V store tonight to see if they have any possible work arounds for this. And if not, then my system is going to be returned.

UPDATE: Their solution is to return the HTIB and replace that with a true Receiver and a separate #D blu ray player. Then I can run all my HDMI connections into the Receiver and run a single HDMI from the receiver to the TV. This is a workable solution and it even has some advantages over the HTIB, but it will also cost me at least $200 more if I decide to go that way. And it will require more space as I am exchanging 1 box for 2. I feel a little better now that there is a workable solution for the TV, but I am unhappy that it will cost more money and I still think that Samsung made a blunder by not allowing 5.1 audio pass-thru on the TV.

This shouldn't make you an unhappy Samsung customer at all. This thread is about the TV itself, and it is amazing. You will find the majority of people run all their components to the receiver first because we want to enjoy uncompressed HD audio (DTS-HD Master and Dolby Digital HD) and also enhances regular audio. Also its much easier to switch sources via HDMI then inputs on the tv. For most of us TV audio is unacceptable and to me is terrible. HTIB is an awful solution to home audio is mainly geared toward people who don't know about audio or connections. I suggest you invest in a good receiver as it will last you a long time, (Had my Onkyo for 8 years) and will give you superb audio. Spend in little more now and you will be much happier in the long run. Hope you enjoy your TV and maybe a new nice surround.
post #58 of 81
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Originally Posted by F-Cubed View Post

UPDATE: Their solution is to return the HTIB and replace that with a true Receiver and a separate #D blu ray player. Then I can run all my HDMI connections into the Receiver and run a single HDMI from the receiver to the TV. This is a workable solution and it even has some advantages over the HTIB, but it will also cost me at least $200 more if I decide to go that way. And it will require more space as I am exchanging 1 box for 2. I feel a little better now that there is a workable solution for the TV, but I am unhappy that it will cost more money and I still think that Samsung made a blunder by not allowing 5.1 audio pass-thru on the TV.

It may not make you feel any better, but very few TVs pass DD 5.1 from external components and none do DTS, which is the primary audio format on Blu-ray. TVs usually only pass DD 5.1 from their internal tuners, which enables people who use off-air antennas to get 5.1 sound. They should also pass DD 5.1 when it's available from streaming sources such as Netflix. Audio processing and switching are best done by a receiver, which serves as the hub of a home entertainment system.
post #59 of 81
Hi neutron77,

i have had my tv for around 20 days and started noticing flicker since last week. Did you ever resolve your issue? This on at&t uverse cable. not sure if the problem with the tv or att signal.

Sanjay
post #60 of 81
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kpkimmel View Post

This shouldn't make you an unhappy Samsung customer at all. This thread is about the TV itself, and it is amazing. You will find the majority of people run all their components to the receiver first because we want to enjoy uncompressed HD audio (DTS-HD Master and Dolby Digital HD) and also enhances regular audio. Also its much easier to switch sources via HDMI then inputs on the tv. For most of us TV audio is unacceptable and to me is terrible. HTIB is an awful solution to home audio is mainly geared toward people who don't know about audio or connections. I suggest you invest in a good receiver as it will last you a long time, (Had my Onkyo for 8 years) and will give you superb audio. Spend in little more now and you will be much happier in the long run. Hope you enjoy your TV and maybe a new nice surround.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

It may not make you feel any better, but very few TVs pass DD 5.1 from external components and none do DTS, which is the primary audio format on Blu-ray. TVs usually only pass DD 5.1 from their internal tuners, which enables people who use off-air antennas to get 5.1 sound. They should also pass DD 5.1 when it's available from streaming sources such as Netflix. Audio processing and switching are best done by a receiver, which serves as the hub of a home entertainment system.

Thanks guys. I understand that the receiver is the optimal solution and that is what I have in my man cave in the basement (Integra DTR-6.5). I was just looking for an easy system, with fewer components, for the family room. I am just frustrated that with the technology out there today that the TV company(s?) don't directly pass the sound through the TV. And that the salespeople didn't know this either - when I went back I had to show them in order for them to believe it. I am trying to keep the expenses down on this system so it looks like I am going to pick up the Yamaha YHT-395BL (with 5 small speakers and an 8" powered sub) and the Samsung BDD5500 3D Blu Ray player. The Yamaha system seems to have gotten very good reviews on-line and it sounded good in the showroom. Overall, it is going to cost me around $150 more.
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