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post #2821 of 3637
4/5/12 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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If they are indeed 6Ω then there should be no issues, although now that you have a new "real" HT receiver, you're much better served replacing those speakers pronto!

I am and in fact already ordered some from Polk. I'm just waiting for the center speaker (at newegg) and subwoofer to go on sale again.

How do I hook them up then since the plugs are different? It's not really possible to make banana plug cables with that thin wire is it? I honestly have no idea since I watched a monoprice video showing how to make them and the wires looked much thicker.
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post #2822 of 3637
4/5/12 at 4:03pm
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You could just clip off the ends; however, will likely want to try to sell the Sony setup so will want to leave the wires as is. I'd just wait a few days for the Polks to show up and use them (do the Audyssey setup) until the center and sub are purchased (and then do the Audyssey setup again).
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post #2823 of 3637
4/5/12 at 4:06pm
I misspoke...there's no plugs on the Sony speakers...it's just thin wire and it then goes to the Sony receiver inside those "clip" connector things built into the receiver. I don't know the exact terminology for that
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post #2824 of 3637
4/5/12 at 4:11pm
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So then you can simply connect the speakers directly to the 609.
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post #2825 of 3637
4/6/12 at 7:28am
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xc runner, what jdsmoothie said. In case you don't realize it, you don't have to use banana plugs. You can grasp the colored outer ring on the speaker terminal, unscrew it a couple of turns, which will expose a slot to put the bare wire ends into. Then tighten it back down on the wire. Obviously, watch out for stray strands!
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post #2826 of 3637
4/6/12 at 11:25am
I have a TX-NR609 ordered and should arrive soon. I've been reading this and other forums a lot trying to gain knowledge of the best way to hook it up, calibration, etc. My 5.1 system consists of the following:
  • Panasonic 42" plasma with 2 HDMI inputs, etc.
  • DISH VIP 612 satellite receiver (HDMI out and optical audio out)
  • Samsung BluRay player (forgot the model number but it has an optical audio out)
  • Sony CD changer (optical audio out)
  • Harmony 550 remote
  • Paradigm Atom v.3 speakers (Front L and R)
  • Polk CS10 center speaker
  • Proficient 6.5" in-ceiling surround speakers (Surround L and R)
  • Velodyne 10" powered subwoofer (with line level input)
I was planning on just plugging in the HDMI capable video components I have (DISH and BR) directly into the 609 using HDMI cables and the Sony CD changer via optical.

Besides the obvious things the manual says, can anyone provide any tips on getting started with the 609 and these components so I get the best picture and sound possible?

Thanks!

EDIT: I also have hardwired ethernet which I will be plugging into the 609.
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post #2827 of 3637
4/6/12 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Sorry my bad, maybe I should have ask if you have a North American/Taiwan model as it doesn't have the impedance menu option, only European, Australian and Asian models has this option.

OK what's the deal with overseas getting more settings on consumer electronics? It's the same thing with the Panasonic ST50 TV...here in NA we get no CMS no ISF day/night...in Europe they do...

WTF??
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post #2828 of 3637
4/7/12 at 5:37am
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Most likely due to more variation country-to-country overseas? Maybe even a cost issue.
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post #2829 of 3637
4/8/12 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Pick up a $3 RCA "Y" splitter cable and connect it from the sub preout on the 609 to each of the front main speaker sub line in connections. Then run Audyssey which will detect no "side" surround speakers and set it up as a 3.1 system.

Why would you need a splitter when the 609 has 2 sub pre outs?
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post #2830 of 3637
4/8/12 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by KtrainHurricane View Post

Yes it does, and I already tried that...still no sound.
(I actually clicked every single "input selector" option on the receiver's remote and none of them worked)


I also noticed that when I go into the setup menu on the actual TV and switch the Audio to "Home Theater" (rather than TV), it says "Please Wait" then automatically swtiches itself back to TV again...

The exact same thing happens to me with my 609 and my ST30. For a few days I got no audio return via HDMI and had to hook up an optical cable. Then out of nowhere, the audio returned...now it's gone again. I, also am getting a bit pissed with Onkyo's quality control issues.
Just to be sure, though, when I get home I have another ST30 coming in and if it happens with this panel then I know it's the receiver. If it doesn't then I know it's the panel's ARC failing...
These HDMI issues are unnacceptable and I don't see these things popping up in the Denon/Yamaha threads. Onkyo get your crap together man, this is my first experience with you, don't force it to be my last...
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post #2831 of 3637
4/8/12 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

The exact same thing happens to me with my 609 and my ST30. For a few days I got no audio return via HDMI and had to hook up an optical cable. Then out of nowhere, the audio returned...now it's gone again. I, also am getting a bit pissed with Onkyo's quality control issues.
Just to be sure, though, when I get home I have another ST30 coming in and if it happens with this panel then I know it's the receiver. If it doesn't then I know it's the panel's ARC failing...
These HDMI issues are unnacceptable and I don't see these things popping up in the Denon/Yamaha threads. Onkyo get your crap together man, this is my first experience with you, don't force it to be my last...

Be sure RIHD and VieraLink (HDMI-CEC on both) are both on. Use HDMI v1.4 cable.

I've got it running on 2 Panasonic/ Onkyo combos with no problems.
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post #2832 of 3637
4/8/12 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by MellowBob View Post

Well, after reading a bit it seems we require a hdmi equalizer extender/repeater to work with Panny plasmas. Good thing they're only about $20.

Can anyone elaborate on this statement? Is it this issue all over again:

http://www.whathifi.com/news/panason...bility-problem
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post #2833 of 3637
4/8/12 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Be sure RIHD and VieraLink (HDMI-CEC on both) are both on. Use HDMI v1.4 cable.

I've got it running on 2 Panasonic/ Onkyo combos with no problems.

Yes, I already know to do that I'm not technologically impaired, but thanks for the info. I am starting to wonder if the issue is with the ARC in my ST30. But like I posted earlier, I should know for sure in a few days.

This is aggravating as I really love my ST30 and I love the 609 (when it functions properly)...
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post #2834 of 3637
4/8/12 at 8:11pm
Has anyone come across an Onkyo remote code for the Cisco RNG-200N HD STB/DVR (Comcast Xfinity)? I got the remote to control my ST30 and DMP-BDT210 just fine but not the Cable box.
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post #2835 of 3637
4/8/12 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Can anyone elaborate on this statement? Is it this issue all over again:

http://www.whathifi.com/news/panason...bility-problem

That's old. IIRC, Panasonic issued an online firmware update. Your TV is up-to-date, right?

Ya, I have that setup also (Panny 850 and Onkyo 607) and it also works fine. It's not included in the above count because it's not ARC (all HDMI v1.3). 850 is older than 10 series.

Be sure both the Panny and Onkyo are up-to-date. Try a heavier gauge v1.4 cable (especially if it's over 6 ft long).
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post #2836 of 3637
4/8/12 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Yes, I already know to do that I'm not technologically impaired,

Sorry, just trying to help.

I have quite a bit of experience pairing Onkyo to Panny plasmas.

See my profile for HT setup.
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post #2837 of 3637
4/9/12 at 12:45am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Normally a single connection will suffice, however, you should do what the sub mfr recommends.

@jdsmoothie - Which of these worked best for you? I have a similar setting. I have one connection to the R of the sub (L didn't seem to work!).
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post #2838 of 3637
4/9/12 at 2:05am
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I only have a single LFE connection so not other option.
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post #2839 of 3637
4/9/12 at 2:08am
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Be sure RIHD and VieraLink (HDMI-CEC on both) are both on. Use HDMI v1.4 cable.

Cables are no longer allowed to be labeled as HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 as there is no difference in functionality if they are both rated as "High Speed" (ie. 1080p). The HDMI spec applies to the device itself (ie. AVR, BDP, TV, etc.)
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post #2840 of 3637
4/9/12 at 2:15am
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Why would you need a splitter when the 609 has 2 sub pre outs?

I had actually forgotten the 609 has dual sub preouts when I made that post, although when trying to connect to multiple subs, Audyssey actually recommends using a splitter to ensure no timing difference between the two signals.

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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Yes, I already know to do that I'm not technologically impaired, ..

I make the same recommendation that Tesla provided numerous times each week to posters, especially when the poster has not provided what troubleshooting steps they've already performed. You'd be surprised how many times someone has said something like "yes, of course I've done that" only to post back that after checking again, it turns out that HDMI-CEC or external speakers were in fact NOT set the way they originally reported.
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post #2841 of 3637
4/9/12 at 5:03am
What kind of sub are you guys running with this? Powered or non? I'm guessing powered, anyone non self powered, and if so how does it sound?

I'd figure an audiophile would have a powered sub, but I do have some juice being supplied by the AVR that I paid for, so I figure right now I might as well use it. I'm not going for my dream sub right now, just something cheap to add some oomph to what I have now.

TIA.
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post #2842 of 3637
4/9/12 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

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All Channel - very bad IMO - do not use.

Could you elaborate on this statement, wl1?
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post #2843 of 3637
4/9/12 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

That's old. IIRC, Panasonic issued an online firmware update. Your TV is up-to-date, right?

Ya, I have that setup also (Panny 850 and Onkyo 607) and it also works fine. It's not included in the above count because it's not ARC (all HDMI v1.3). 850 is older than 10 series.

Be sure both the Panny and Onkyo are up-to-date. Try a heavier gauge v1.4 cable (especially if it's over 6 ft long).

I know it's old, my question is if we have a 2011 repeat of this issue between Panny and Onkyo. I've read every page of this thread (I think I am currently up to page 70) and most of the issues seem to be HDMI related.
I have several different HDMI 1.4 cables of varying thicknesses and all are 6' or under and switching them out does not solve the issue.
The fact that it seems to happen at random times for no apparent reason is leading me to believe either the HDMI board on the 609 needs to be replaced or the ARC channel on my ST30 is going bad. I'll know more later this week when I hook my incoming 60" ST30 up to the 609 to see if the issue still occurs like with the 42" ST30 I am using now.
The one thing I do not want to do is send the 609 for warranty service because I have heard ZERO, repeat ZERO good reports of people dealing with Onkyo's customer service. If anything I'll return it and go with a Denon if I cannot resolve this problem.
Some people on here seem to be content just using optical but the HDMI ARC is supposed to work and I am not going to tolerate a defective unit no matter how convenient the workaround may be.
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post #2844 of 3637
4/9/12 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by Briandl View Post

What kind of sub are you guys running with this? Powered or non? I'm guessing powered, anyone non self powered, and if so how does it sound?

I'd figure an audiophile would have a powered sub, but I do have some juice being supplied by the AVR that I paid for, so I figure right now I might as well use it. I'm not going for my dream sub right now, just something cheap to add some oomph to what I have now.

TIA.

A "powered" sub should be everyone's choice if using a sub as the AVR is not designed to power a sub.
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post #2845 of 3637
4/9/12 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Be sure RIHD and VieraLink (HDMI-CEC on both) are both on. Use HDMI v1.4 cable.

I've got it running on 2 Panasonic/ Onkyo combos with no problems.

VieraLink and RIHD are both on. It never would've worked in the first place if they weren't. My issue is that it worked fine for several days, then it did not...then it worked again for several days...now it does not...go figure.
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post #2846 of 3637
4/9/12 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

Sorry, just trying to help.

I have quite a bit of experience pairing Onkyo to Panny plasmas.

See my profile for HT setup.

Didn't mean to come across as hostile, sorry. It's just when I have a problem, I really try hard to fix it before I ask for help, yet most of the time with customer service, they treat me like an idiot and I have to waste time explaining how I already did this and that and can we please get to the part where you actually listen to me instead of reading your training manual while sipping lattes at your cubicle in New Dehli?

Turns out about 99.99% of the time I know far more about my unit than they do and most of the conversation is spent trying to convince them of this.
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post #2847 of 3637
4/9/12 at 7:46am
I had no idea about the sub Guess I do now lol.
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post #2848 of 3637
4/9/12 at 8:18am
^^
You can likely get some good suggestions for inexpensive subs in the "Subwoofer" forum.
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post #2849 of 3637
4/9/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

I'd really like those who also see the dropped frames to do the credits test I described in my previous post and see if, using a stop watch, the dropped frames come 2 minutes 47 seconds apart for you as well.

I started calculating a bunch of numbers, and came up with a theory. Now, I did these calculations with a lot more decimal places but I'm rounding and simplifying here for brevity.

NTSC 30 fps is actually 29.97 fps. Likewise, the HDMI standard defines 24p as really 23.976 fps. Now what if the Onkyo engineers made a mistake and said "30 is 29.97 and 24 is 23.97?" which is actually a common simplification (just search google for "23.97" and see how many people drop the 6). That means they would be playing the audio back at 23.97 instead of 23.976. The audio would play too fast by 0.006 fps. Well, how long is that? It is about 0.00001044 seconds. That means for each video frame passed straight through, the audio would get 0.00001044 seconds ahead of where it should be. The next question is how many video frames until the audio gets an entire frame ahead? Its 3,996 frames.

3996 frames just happens to be 2 minutes and 46.6667 seconds, which is pretty darn close to what I got on my stopwatch. So every 3996 frames, the audio is one frame ahead and so the Onkyo drops a video frame.

Its just a theory - could be a coincidence, could be an error on the Onkyo that hopefully can be fixed in firmware.

This is a bit disheartening. The more I read this thread the more the low price of the 609 makes sense. And we can forget about a fix because it's a 2011 model issue, and we're almost halfway thru 2012 now...
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post #2850 of 3637
4/9/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Cables are no longer allowed to be labeled as HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 as there is no difference in functionality if they are both rated as "High Speed" (ie. 1080p). The HDMI spec applies to the device itself (ie. AVR, BDP, TV, etc.)

OK, well I was trying to communicate that the user needs to use a nice, new, heavy gauge, well made cable ... capable of everything new:

High Bandwidth (for simutaneous 1080p Resolution and 7.1 HD-Audio)
3D High Bandwidth (for increased 4K Resolution)
ARC
Network (unless both the 609 and 30 are separately connected via ethernet)
Heavy Gauge and shielding to eliminate any possible change of signal degradation or interference.

http://hothardware.com/News/HDMI-14-...Support-To-AV/
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