Onkyo TX-NR609, TX-NR509, TX-SR309 Thread - Page 96

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Originally Posted by BobearQSI
I'd really like those who also see the dropped frames to do the credits test I described in my previous post and see if, using a stop watch, the dropped frames come 2 minutes 47 seconds apart for you as well.

I started calculating a bunch of numbers, and came up with a theory. Now, I did these calculations with a lot more decimal places but I'm rounding and simplifying here for brevity.

NTSC 30 fps is actually 29.97 fps. Likewise, the HDMI standard defines 24p as really 23.976 fps. Now what if the Onkyo engineers made a mistake and said "30 is 29.97 and 24 is 23.97?" which is actually a common simplification (just search google for "23.97" and see how many people drop the 6). That means they would be playing the audio back at 23.97 instead of 23.976. The audio would play too fast by 0.006 fps. Well, how long is that? It is about 0.00001044 seconds. That means for each video frame passed straight through, the audio would get 0.00001044 seconds ahead of where it should be. The next question is how many video frames until the audio gets an entire frame ahead? Its 3,996 frames.

3996 frames just happens to be 2 minutes and 46.6667 seconds, which is pretty darn close to what I got on my stopwatch. So every 3996 frames, the audio is one frame ahead and so the Onkyo drops a video frame.

Its just a theory - could be a coincidence, could be an error on the Onkyo that hopefully can be fixed in firmware.
This is a bit disheartening. The more I read this thread the more the low price of the 609 makes sense. And we can forget about a fix because it's a 2011 model issue, and we're almost halfway thru 2012 now...

I thought this issue was resolved with the last firmware update in March although I have never experienced this issue with my 609 and Sammy Plasma.
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Understood ... my point is that a 5 year old cable labeled "HDMI 1.3" will work just as well as a newer cable labeled "HDMI 1.4" as long as it's "High Speed".

"soft reset" vs a "hard reset"...

OK -- got the 609 today so I'll be setting it up tonite. For Audyssey calibration, I only have a mini tripod, which is pretty short (3-4" inches tall?). My listening positions are on a couch and a recliner. Audyssey recommends you don't place the mic on the back of a couch or chair. Can anyone recommend a way to get that mini tripod up to ear height without placing it on the back of the couch or recliner?

Thanks.

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Yup ... purchase a real camera tripod so you can get the mic to ear height and at least 18" from the back of the couch.

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Concep.../dp/B000093UDQ

So I guess we're all just glossing over the fact that these Onkyo's are SUPPOSED to handle Deep Color just fine..? Workarounds for new products are the accepted MO now..?


Exactly. People need to stop rationalizing these unacceptable defects, IMO.

*sigh*...I'm really starting to hate the direction chinese-infested CE manufacturers are going these days...I really want to find a good reason to keep my 609 but so far it's not happening.

I use my daughter's tinker toys to set up a little stand that sits right on the cushion at ear level.

OK...I guess I'll do the best I can until I can pick one up. Should I set it up at least 18" behind the couch/chair back or in front? They are both leather in case that makes a difference as far as sound reflections go.

Good idea, but no tinker toys in my house.

In front, as that is where your "ears" will be. Please review the Audyssey Setup Guide linked in my sig for more info.

My 609 came in today. I was hoping to use my old speakers while I wait for my new speakers to get here, which would be fine except the subwoofer isn't powered. I'm guessing there's no way to connect an unpowered subwoofer directly to the receiver? Sorry, I am still very clueless on this stuff :P

Thanks JD, that makes sense. I will also review the guide...thanks in advance for the link to that.

Ah, but we did get a fix! Via the March firmware update:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21796838

I have not seen it since I installed the new firmware.

Deep color can highlight problems in the HDMI cable. I've seen those white sparkles before a long time ago when doing a long run straight from a computer to projector, with no Onkyo at all. The suggestion to turn deep color off was to test the cable.

I've been using Deep Color through my 609 since day 1, no troubles. I wasn't happy that it took so long to fix the frame skipping issue, but the word is that it was a minority of users experiencing that, and they did fix it in the end.

I was under the impression that Dolby EX was specifically designed for 5.1 to 7.1 conversion while PLIIx was for 2.0 to 7.1...

LOL yeah sorry about all the whining. I've just been through a lot with Onkyo over the last couple of months...
Researched HTiB's and after much reading decided on the Onkyo HT-S5400. Right away, I had issues with the receiver and the sub levels unexpectedly jumping to where they were supposed to be after several minutes of playing content. The place where I bought it said it was a faulty sub and sent me a new one. However, the problem persisted. But I liked the 5400 so instead of a return, I did a warranty repair. Lost it for a few weeks, got it back and the problem was still there. Then the HDMI audio issues started, and the HDMI CEC (RHID) was not working properly with my VieraLink ST30...
So I sold the R590 receiver that came with the 5400 and bought the 609, thinking I could finally relax and enjoy my system. For a few days it rocked and I was happy...then out of the blue the ARC stopped working and I had to hook up the optical to get sound from the TV input. So now I got depressed again thinking I'm going to lose my sound for another freakin' month or so while I send THIS unit in (or just return it), but after a few days, lo and behold the ARC worked again...then I leave town and my wife calls after a few days wondering why she can't get any sound while watching Netflix over the TV...dammit...problem still there...
So I'm just freakin' tired of it. I am reading every page of this thread, also, and getting increasingly weary of Onkyo and these receivers...
So I just don't know what I'm going to do now...I was looking at the Denons before getting this Onkyo and now I'm regretting not going for the 1912, even though it was more expensive...
I'm tired of this crap and I JUST WANT MY STUFF TO WORK!!!
So now I'm going back home and I don't know what to do...this is my first experience with Onkyo and they were highly recommended but so far I'm not feelin' the love, you know?

Anyway, gripe session over...

Ah, thanks BobearQSI, apparently I'm not at that page yet (I'm on like 76 right now...)...
This still does not help my ARC issue though...

"Directly," no. But assuming 1) your non-powered sub has speaker-level inputs and 2) you have an old receiver lying around, you could run the LFE from your 609 to a line-level input on your old receiver (e.g., tape, CD or VCR in, NOT turntable) and then run speaker wire from the old rcvr to the non-powered sub. You will have to choose a volume setting on the old receiver in the middling range, then run the speaker calibration on the 609, and after that, don't touch the volume knob on the old receiver again. This is a lot of trouble for a kludgy work-around when an "OK" powered sub can be had so cheaply. Frys has Polk and Klipsch models regularly for $199, and here's a Polk at Amazon for $120.
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-10-...4069887&sr=1-3

Yeah, Newegg has the Polk for $89 today and I was waiting for it to get back to that price, so I just bought it and hopefully should have it by the end of the week. It was always the plan I am just eager to use my new receiver.

There are other 5.1 to 7.1 conversions out there. PLIIx is one of them. It takes any number of input channels and upconverts to 7.1. It can take a 2.0 channel source and expand it to 7.1, but I rarely listen to anything with 2.0 channels anymore - it's probably not a good choice for 2.0 channel critical listening. If the source is 5.1, it will simply split the volume evenly in sides/rear speakers. Since I don't have dipole speakers, this is closer to a speaker array found in theaters than just one speaker. For 7.1, it does nothing.

Note that Dolby EX is a 6.1 soundtrack (played through 6 or 7 channels) while Dolby PLIIx is a 7.1 simulation mode.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/...igital-ex.html

I connected to my NR609 to my TV LG42W650G with HDMI cable and I am using the ARC function.
I then connected a LG DVD player to my NR609 with another HDMI cable.
I am using HDMI througput setup in automatic mode

Now, when I turn on the DVD player everything turns on, and I am unhappy since I want to use my DVD player also for music. But in this case I can set up to off the HDMI throughput setup.

But if I do this I will not be able to use the ARC from my TV when I am listening only at my TV.

Shall I use an optical fiber for audio from TV to NR609 and forget ARC?

BR

MArtino

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That would certainly resolve your issue with no reduction in audio quality.

Well, came home and the ARC worked fine, I thought maybe my wife was missing something since she's not used to all the new stuff yet. Then this morning, played Netflix and again no audio. I had to turn on the optical input to get sound.
This is an annoying issue and I am wondering what to do about it. Funny thing is the CEC controls still work, the TV turns the 609 on and the inputs switch automatically...


Unfortunately, most Netlfix content that I watch streams at 2.0 PCM and I watch a lot of online content (Netflix/Hulu). For a 7.1 layout what listening mode do you recommend?

Personally, I still use PLIIx. I used to watch Netflix off and on before I dropped streaming after the price hike. What I meant was that while I rarely listen to 2.0 sources, when I do they are not of a quality that would warrant a dedicated 2-channel speaker mode. IMO, Netflix, Pandora, etc. all fall into this category, so I just let PLIIx do its thing for these as well as TV programs. It does seem to pick up some of the background audio and redirect it to the rears. It's by no means near the same as real surround (unless the source is Pro Logic encoded), but for Netflix especially I prefer the PLIIx faux-surround over straight 2 channel.

I'd say give it a try - watch a Netflix movie with PLIIx enabled on the stereo setting for the input source, and see what you think.

Hi all, just setting up my new 609, Love it so far! I have barely begun the set up process, but I notice what seems to be an interference issue between my receiver & my Sony BD player. I have a new 82" Mitsubishi, Directv, blu ray, old DVR recorder hooked up so far, along with new Polk speakers, sub, etc. I seem to have snow on the screen, can see it on the blue background of the menu page, hard to see it with moving images. Any thoughts? New HDMI cables too. Never saw this when the BD was hooked direct to my tv. I am trying to figure out the best set up for everything, video quality, etc. I am new to nice equipment like this. Thanks for any help, suggestions!
Kevin

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Snow is generally an indication of defective cables ... go back to the "old" cables.

Try plugging the blu-ray player into another HDMI input on receiver.

From off to full picture and sound via cable box hooked up to hdmi 2 I counted 20 seconds.

While watching movies from the play-station, both Blu-Rays and Streaming content, the audio on my 609 will drop out every 10 seconds or so for a second. Every time the audio drops out, all of the information on the receiver's display disappears other than the input name, and returns when the audio does.

I noticed a few people experienced this issue, but none of the listed solutions have remedied my issue. Has anyone experienced this? Can you suggest a fix?