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5/2/12 at 4:18am
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Not for a short period no, but likely after a few weeks.
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5/2/12 at 4:19am
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Does that do any kind of resetting to anything when you unplug it??
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post #2973 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:25am
Like I said, not for a few days or up to a week or two, rather more likely all settings will return to factory defaults after a few weeks of being unplugged. Unplugging the unit simply does a "soft" reset, while a processor reset will return all settings to their factory defaults.
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post #2974 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:30am
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Ok... sorry to sound kinda stupid here.... but what resets when you do a "soft" reset.
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post #2975 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:35am
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Ok... sorry to sound kinda stupid here.... but what resets when you do a "soft" reset.

Honestly, does it really matter? Do you need to know exactly what happens and why in this machine when you unplug it? Should we get an Onkyo engineer in here to explain exactly what happens?

If you have an issue with your unit, the first troubleshooting step is often a "soft" reset...just know that and be at peace.
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post #2976 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:38am
Update: So far so good on my NEW 609 as far as the HDMI connectivity. However, the refurb was fine too for the first week or so...
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post #2977 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:39am
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Honestly, does it really matter? Do you need to know exactly what happens and why in this machine when you unplug it? Should we get an Onkyo engineer in here to explain exactly what happens?

If you have an issue with your unit, the first troubleshooting step is often a "soft" reset...just know that and be at peace.

Well If I had to guess I bet some of these guys are engineers that post in these forums. Replies dont need to be condescending replies sir.
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post #2978 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:41am
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Well If I had to guess I bet some of these guys are engineers. Replies dont need to be condescending replies sir

Hmm...can't take a little ribbing? Maybe you haven't had your first cup of coffee yet sir, therefore I will give you the benefit of the doubt and I will not take umbrage. (hint: I'm joking with you!)

And BTW, if there are any engineers in here that can educate us on the intricacies of a soft reset I would love to hear from them.
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post #2979 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:46am
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if you have an issue with your unit, the first troubleshooting step is often a "soft" reset...just know that and be at peace.

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post #2980 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:52am
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Hmm...can't take a little ribbing? Maybe you haven't had your first cup of coffee yet sir, therefore I will give you the benefit of the doubt and I will not take umbrage. (hint: I'm joking with you!)

And BTW, if there are any engineers in here that can educate us on the intricacies of a soft reset I would love to hear from them.

Nice.....
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post #2981 of 3637
5/2/12 at 4:57am
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I can provide actual experience to the question: Does unplugging the AVR (in my case, I have the 509) cause the settings to reset to factory settings? My home theater is in a vacation home. During the winter, I only go there approximately every three weeks. Before leaving, I cut the power to home theater and I can assure you that when I return, the setting are as I leave them. Since I'm not an engineer, this is only an opinion based on my experience. Who knows, maybe the setting would be retained for four on more weeks.
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post #2982 of 3637
5/2/12 at 5:26am
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5/2/12 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by ReesVictoria View Post

Just recently purchased the 609 which replaced my 606. Whenever I watch a Blu-Ray with a DTS HD-MA track, it always plays in 7.1 even if the track is supposed to be only 5.1. All the other audio formats (TrueHD for example) play normally like they should. I have my receiver set to "Straight Decode". Am I doing something wrong? Changing it to "Direct" seems to work but then my receiver displays "Direct" and not DTS HD-MA" which kind of bugs me even though I know it shouldn't. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!!

perhaps assign the amp to zone 2 even if you don't have a zone 2?
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post #2984 of 3637
5/2/12 at 7:43am
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Yes, they are shared.

No, it doesn't matter... There is no "power" or volume really ... it's "line level output". The sub does the amplification. Must be some other problem they were having.

Yea, they are shared as in a less powerful signal will be sent to both subs or they send the same exact signal as if one sub were connected?
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post #2985 of 3637
5/2/12 at 9:03am
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Just recently purchased the 609 which replaced my 606. Whenever I watch a Blu-Ray with a DTS HD-MA track, it always plays in 7.1 even if the track is supposed to be only 5.1. All the other audio formats (TrueHD for example) play normally like they should. I have my receiver set to "Straight Decode". Am I doing something wrong? Changing it to "Direct" seems to work but then my receiver displays "Direct" and not DTS HD-MA" which kind of bugs me even though I know it shouldn't. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!!

Are you sure that the movies with the DTS-MA track are not actually 7.1? I don't know what else would be causing this, especially since it registers normally under all other audio formats. I would keep it on "Straight Decode" though.
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post #2986 of 3637
5/2/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by ReesVictoria View Post

Just recently purchased the 609 which replaced my 606. Whenever I watch a Blu-Ray with a DTS HD-MA track, it always plays in 7.1 even if the track is supposed to be only 5.1. All the other audio formats (TrueHD for example) play normally like they should. I have my receiver set to "Straight Decode". Am I doing something wrong? Changing it to "Direct" seems to work but then my receiver displays "Direct" and not DTS HD-MA" which kind of bugs me even though I know it shouldn't. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!!

Are you sure it's not the BD player that might be doing the 7.1 processing? I have a Panasonic DMP-BDT210, which has an "audio reformatting" mode that sends all signals (other than Dolby sources) as 7.1, even when the soundtrack is less than that, unless I disable the mode. It could be that your player has something similar activated.
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post #2987 of 3637
5/2/12 at 10:08am
I'm not an Onkyo engineer, but my guess would be that you will not lose any settings by unplugging it, no matter how long it was unplugged. Back in the early days this was a different story, but almost all these devices use flash memory nowadays - think of it as a built-in USB thumb drive. When you leave your thumb drive unplugged for months/years, it (usually) still has all its data on it.

As for a 'soft reset,' we in the software/firmware world actually call that a 'hard' reboot.' Just using the power button to turn on and off, there are some chips inside that never lose power, they just get a software reset. If for some reason one of those chips has a problem (power surge, static discharge, tons of possibilities) sometimes the only way to reset it is to remove power.

Bottom line - your settings AND the Onkyo's internal settings are likely to not be affected at all by pulling the power cord when it's off and plugging it back in.
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post #2988 of 3637
5/2/12 at 12:59pm
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I'm not an Onkyo engineer, but my guess would be that you will not lose any settings by unplugging it, no matter how long it was unplugged. Back in the early days this was a different story, but almost all these devices use flash memory nowadays - think of it as a built-in USB thumb drive. When you leave your thumb drive unplugged for months/years, it (usually) still has all its data on it.

As for a 'soft reset,' we in the software/firmware world actually call that a 'hard' reboot.' Just using the power button to turn on and off, there are some chips inside that never lose power, they just get a software reset. If for some reason one of those chips has a problem (power surge, static discharge, tons of possibilities) sometimes the only way to reset it is to remove power.

Bottom line - your settings AND the Onkyo's internal settings are likely to not be affected at all by pulling the power cord when it's off and plugging it back in.

Thanks for the reply in non-engineer speak. I knew someone could reply without being a smartAZZ.
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post #2989 of 3637
5/2/12 at 1:04pm
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After hours of frustration and research on forums and switching inputs, cables, settings, harmony remote settings yada yada yada and I mean hours. I think I have finally cured my handshake issue. Roku support wanted me to use the " through" setting and that just pained me to even think about doing that because the video processor in the Onkyo 609 is far superior to that in my STB and TV. Just watching in " through " or " direct" clearly showed it to. So to my solution for the handshake issue between the Roku2 and my Onkyo 609.
#1- 2 new hi-speed 24awg HDMI cables from Monoprice and Blue Jeans cable. ( 1 got here faster so that's why I ordered from two different places). One for Roku2>AVR and one for AVR>TV.
#2- Changed two different settings on the Onkyo 609 as follows....and 1 on Samsung TV...

#1 on AVR- Setup>Source Settings>Picture Adjust>Wide Mode>Full ( NOT AUTO) I dont know what the difference between Auto and Full is. Maybe someone smarter than me in the Onkyo world can tell me.

#2 Setup>Hardware>HDMI>HDMI Through>Off ( NOT ON). Once again I dont know what difference this makes .

#1 On Samsung TV- HDMI Black Level>Normal ( NOT LOW)

I am NOT using "through" or "direct" on the AVR anywhere. I continue to use the AVRs video processor.

So as of now all handshakes during input switching continue to complete with these settings on the Onkyo 609 . I am not so sure which solution actually made the difference. I not so sure that just changing those settings on the 609 would have cured the problem. But anyhow all is WELL again in my little part of my A/V world....for now....

I figured if I wrote this sooner or later it would bite me on the rear and of course it was sooner . So now I am going to try the "soft reset" and see if this makes any difference. I really think this has something to do with the Roku2 since neither of my two other devices have handshake problems when switching inputs between them.
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post #2990 of 3637
5/2/12 at 2:48pm
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Thanks for the reply in non-engineer speak. I knew someone could reply without being a smartAZZ.



Anyway I can also verify, that yes, unplugging your 609 will not result in loss of settings. I have done it several times.
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post #2991 of 3637
5/3/12 at 4:28am
Whatever the intricacies of the "soft reset" are they seem to have worked regarding my handshake issue caused by switching HDMI inputs. I am little skeered to post this as I feel I am surely going to jinx it. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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5/3/12 at 7:51am
Never ever thought I would care about video processing on an AVR until I purchased my 609. I always thought it wasn't necessary. Now since this is the Audio Video Science forum...science meaning the "study of ". I have a question regarding video processing even if you have to dumb it down to my level of understanding.
Is it possible that the displayed picture passed through an AVRs video processor is " better" ...even if you ask the avr to process the signal at the same resolution as the signal that is inputted into it i.e. avr set to process 720p signal into hdmi monitor out signal set at 720P. All source inputs set at 720P. Keep in mind I am not asking the avr to upscale anything, just process the signal the same as is being inputted into it. Now with that said if you set avr to pass through with no video scaling of said 720p signal and it appears degraded to a certain extent , does that mean the processor is improving the 720p signal when you ask it to process 720p signal instead of passing it straight through. Hope that make some sense. Just trying to gain a greater understanding of video processing in an AVR.
I am thinking after the purchase of my 609 that I would NEVER purchase another avr that does NOT provide video processing in addition to its' job of audio processing.
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5/3/12 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by david0406 View Post

Never ever thought I would care about video processing on an AVR until I purchased my 609. I always thought it wasn't necessary. Now since this is the Audio Video Science forum...science meaning the "study of ". I have a question regarding video processing even if you have to dumb it down to my level of understanding.
Is it possible that the displayed picture passed through an AVRs video processor is " better" ...even if you ask the avr to process the signal at the same resolution as the signal that is inputted into it i.e. avr set to process 720p signal into hdmi monitor out signal set at 720P. All source inputs set at 720P. Keep in mind I am not asking the avr to upscale anything, just process the signal the same as is being inputted into it. Now with that said if you set avr to pass through with no video scaling of said 720p signal and it appears degraded to a certain extent , does that mean the processor is improving the 720p signal when you ask it to process 720p signal instead of passing it straight through. Hope that make some sense. Just trying to gain a greater understanding of video processing in an AVR.
I am thinking after the purchase of my 609 that I would NEVER purchase another avr that does NOT provide video processing in addition to its' job of audio processing.

Anyone correct me if I am wrong here. I believe that the video processor is only used during the up-scaling. If you have it set to 720p and play a 720p or a 1080p source that source is sent in Through mode. Any source under 720p is up-scaled to 720p. This is at least my understanding of how the Qdeo processor works on these AVR's. As I said earlier if anyone knows different please correct me.
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post #2994 of 3637
5/3/12 at 9:26am
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Anyone correct me if I am wrong here. I believe that the video processor is only used during the up-scaling. If you have it set to 720p and play a 720p or a 1080p source that source is sent in Through mode. Any source under 720p is up-scaled to 720p. This is at least my understanding of how the Qdeo processor works on these AVR's. As I said earlier if anyone knows different please correct me.

Ok then when I go into the source setup and go to picture mode and set it to custom. The avr allows me to change the picture settings in the avr. Now if set that to through it does not allow me to do that. Based on what you stated am I confusing " processing" with " video scaling" or something like that. What is the avr " doing " to the picture when it allows you to change the picture settings as opposed to letting the signal pass "through " unfettered?
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5/3/12 at 10:37am
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Ok then when I go into the source setup and go to picture mode and set it to custom. The avr allows me to change the picture settings in the avr. Now if set that to through it does not allow me to do that. Based on what you stated am I confusing " processing" with " video scaling" or something like that. What is the avr " doing " to the picture when it allows you to change the picture settings as opposed to letting the signal pass "through " unfettered?

The Through, take all signals and directly them to your TV exactly as they come to the receiver. This way your TV gets the 480p DVD signal, forwards it the TV untouched and then your TV's video processor scales the image to fit on your 1080p/720p screen.

If you have your receiver set to 1080p/720p then your Receiver with the better video processor will convert the 480p signal to 1080p/720p in a cleaner more precise fashion than your TV could. This way your TV just displays the signal 1x1 without doing any processing.
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5/3/12 at 10:49am
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Is it possible that the displayed picture passed through an AVRs video processor is " better" ...even if you ask the avr to process the signal at the same resolution as the signal that is inputted into it i.e. avr set to process 720p signal into hdmi monitor out signal set at 720P.

The custom picture mode does allow you to change things, such as: Edge Enhancement, Noise Reduction, Brightness, Contrast, Hue, Saturation, Color Temperature.

It is also possible that the zero or off values of some of these settings are not really 'off,' just a small amount, which would mean, for example, the Onkyo is always applying at least a little bit of noise reduction. Whether this is true or not, well, someone has to test it (which is difficult) or we have to have a statement from Onkyo.

Whether or not any of these are 'better' is a very subjective thing. Some people hate edge enhancement, others love it.

Any setting dealing with the sharpness of the picture, like edge enhancement and noise reduction, give the best results when they are applied when the picture is at its native resolution, before upscaling

The various picture modes in the Onkyo, like Cinema, Game, are likely just presets of the custom controls.

Finally, you likely have 3 video processor in your system: The video souce (Blu-ray/DVD player), the Onkyo, and your TV. If you're going to be playing around with the settings, you should try them in each one and decide which one YOU like 'better.' However, watch out for things like the TV works better if it is fed a 720p signal, but is really bad with lower or higher resolution.
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5/3/12 at 11:02am
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The Through, take all signals and directly them to your TV exactly as they come to the receiver.

There's one caveat, though. If the "HDMI OUT" setting is also set to "Through," then that is correct. But, if the "HDMI OUT" setting is say 720p, then "Through" in the picture mode will scale it - you'd have to choose "Direct" to pass through unscaled. From the manual:
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Monitor Out
You can specify the output resolution for the HDMI OUT
and have the AV receiver upconvert the picture resolution
as necessary to match the resolution supported by your
TV.
Resolution
  • Through:
    Select this to pass video through the AV receiver at
    the same resolution and with no conversion.
  • Auto:
    Select this to have the AV receiver automatically
    convert video at resolutions supported by your TV.
  • 480p (480p/576p), 720p, 1080i, 1080p
    Select the desired output resolution.

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Picture Mode
  • Through:
    Does not adjust picture quality (changes resolution).
  • Direct:
    Does not adjust picture quality (does not change
    resolution    ).
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5/3/12 at 4:48pm
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Are you sure that the movies with the DTS-MA track are not actually 7.1? I don't know what else would be causing this, especially since it registers normally under all other audio formats. I would keep it on "Straight Decode" though.

Yes, I am sure the movies are only in 5.1. When I press display, the receiver tells me that the input is coming in as 5.1 but the output is 7.1. I'm using a Sony BDP-S590 for my Blu-Ray Player and I don't see any setting on there that could be doing it. I called Onkyo Support and the guy tried to tell me that he thinks this is normal but is going to look into it and call back. Never had this problem with the 606
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5/5/12 at 9:37am
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Yes, I am sure the movies are only in 5.1. When I press display, the receiver tells me that the input is coming in as 5.1 but the output is 7.1. I'm using a Sony BDP-S590 for my Blu-Ray Player and I don't see any setting on there that could be doing it. I called Onkyo Support and the guy tried to tell me that he thinks this is normal but is going to look into it and call back. Never had this problem with the 606

Do you have audio output set to bitstream on your blu ray player?
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5/5/12 at 4:52pm
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Yes, I am sure the movies are only in 5.1. When I press display, the receiver tells me that the input is coming in as 5.1 but the output is 7.1. I'm using a Sony BDP-S590 for my Blu-Ray Player and I don't see any setting on there that could be doing it. I called Onkyo Support and the guy tried to tell me that he thinks this is normal but is going to look into it and call back. Never had this problem with the 606

Did you assign zone 2 to the amp like I mentioned last week?
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