Onkyo TX-NR609, TX-NR509, TX-SR309 Thread - Page 104

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

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There is no optical --> analog downconversion and and if the TV cannot accept DD/DTS 5.1 you'll need to set the source device to STEREO.

Originally Posted by smashpwnage

looking to buy a new avr. wanted to know all of your opinions on whether the tx nr609 or the new tx nr515 would be the better buy since they are around the same price.

thanks.

Originally Posted by khenzel

What if i went this route:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i00

off of one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o03_s00_i00

The switch box has 2 optic outputs. One i can take directly to the receiver for 5.1, and the second output i can take to the analog converter... so that way i could take both the analog and optic in to the same source.

If i did that, THEN would the receiver pipe out analog sound to the analog rca stereo output so i can pass it through to my device? Or will it still default to optic even though i have analog plugged in to the source?


FYI i'm actually making the issue simpler then it is for purposes of a quick answer, but what i'm actually doing is daisy chaining 2 onkyo nr609's together. it's not passing any sound out to the second receiver via hdmi or analog. I have optic going in, and hdmi + analog going out to the second receiver. Not picking up any sound at all, even when i set the "tv audio out" passthrough option to on (which is killing my surround which also is not an option).

I dont necessarily need surround out to my second receiver... stereo will do fine and is preferred so zone 2 is supported, though i would need my primary receiver to pass analog out to the secondary receiver.

Is my above idea sound? It should work, no? I guess the only question in my head really is if i have optic mapped to the source, and have both optic and analog going in to that input, is it going to flat out ignore the analog signal if i select optic as the audio input source for that input, causing the analog output to also not be supported? If this is the case then my idea will NOT work and i will need to try something else.

This is way more complicated then it needs to be imo.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Sorry, should have been more precise with my answer ... if you want audio to go OUT the HDMI output, it must come IN from an HDMI source only. If you want audio to go out the analog output it must come in as analog as well. Also note that converter you listed will only convert PCM 2.0 to analog and not DD/DTS 5.1 to analog so again, the source must be set to STEREO.

Originally Posted by khenzel

OK so it wouldnt send out hdmi audio if the source is inputting optic audio? Seems odd to me... both are 5.1 style inputs.

well, what if i went this route:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i00

Looks like that optic to analog device supports it:
"An ideal audio converter for your cable / satellite / DVD / Blu-ray boxes with Dolby Digital 5.1CH (AC-3) audio outputs. "

Would this work?

Sad thing is the sound is going out from a media center pc... which has both optic and analog out, though the realtek hd audio manager only allows me to enable one out at a time... be it optic or analog. not both at the same time, so i have to get this optic split and converted to pass through analog. this is an unbelievably insane PITA... cant believe this has to be so difficult... something that should be so simple.

If i were to figure out how my pc can pass audio out from the HDMI output to the pc, and send that in to the input on my receiver, would i be able to pass audio out from my receiver to the second receiver without enabling the "tv speaker out" option on my receiver? AKA, i want sound to travel to both my secondary receiver via HDMI out on the first, as well as still be able to use my surround sound speakers (seems like the TV pass through disables surround?) Thoughts on this question, and if the above box would work?

Originally Posted by NtegrA

when i hit display, it shows 5.1 in 7.1 out. I only have 5.1 at the moment.

Originally Posted by Redbeemer

I am not sure I have the solution to all the issues you ask about, but I can tell you that you should be able to get audio out of your PC via HDMI and into your receiver with no problems. I have several PC's, both desktop and laptop with the realtek HDMI output and they work fine with several different receivers I have connected them to. However, remember, as JDSmoothie indicated earlier, if you take HDMI audio into the AVR, you will have to take it out somehow via HDMI, not via optical, even though they are both digital streams. The reason for your problem is largely due to the copyright restrictions built into the HDMI format so that you can't, in theory, record a signal carried via HDMI unless the recorder itself is copy protected(like a DVR). Since optical is NOT copy protected, it cannot take and pass a stream that was sent via HDMI. You can thank the lawyers in Hollywood for your problem!

Originally Posted by Tesla1856


Go into Speaker Setup and select none for Surround Back and any others not connected.

Also, running Audyssey wouldn't hurt.

Originally Posted by extinguisher

Thinking of getting the onkyo 609 and wondering if it has the virtual front height like pioneer or Yamaha?

Originally Posted by mfrey0118


The 609 can be configured for front height channels. It has Dolby PLIIz and Audessey DSX codecs for front height as well.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

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If you're using your surround system (regardless of whether it's temp or not) then you might as well run Audyssey. Doesn't hurt to run Audyssey now to get familiar with it and then again when you have your final configuration in place.

Originally Posted by extinguisher

I meant using 5.1 speakers without actual front height speakers, could the 609 create front height virtually? I see that pioneer and yamaha has this virtual front height function without needing actual speakers.

Originally Posted by mfrey0118

Tough call. You're getting a little less power but several more features and input/output options with the 2012 515 model (dual HDMI outs, 8 in). The 515 has only one component input and less composites and no VGA/PC. 515 doesn't appear to have bi-amping capabilities.

I'd say depending on your specific needs, you can't really go wrong with either. I recommend buying new. My two experiences with refurbished Onkyos have not been great.

Originally Posted by smashpwnage

yeah, they are really similar as far as i could tell. since i can get the 609 for some 60 bucks cheaper, and i dont need 2 hdmi outs nor 8 hdmi inputs i'll probably just save some money and get that.

thanks

Originally Posted by kincade

I'm having a strange issue with my 609 that I cannot figure out... And it works perfectly except for this.

I just bought a new Panasonic TC-P65ST50 plasma which has amazon instant video built into it... We would like to occasionally use this in conjunction with our HT speakers and the 609. The only connection between the two units is a single HDMI cable.

In any case, the video streaming works fine but I cannot get the receiver to output any sound from the television whatsoever. I've fiddled with what seems like every setting (ARC, viera link, lip sync) and the best I've been able to do is get the tv remote control to adjust the volume up and down on the receiver (but there is still no sound).

As I'm still a bit new to the HDMI deal, I figure it's either a setting on my part or an incompatibility between the 2 unites.

If any of you have any tips I'd be very grateful. The sound on the 65st50 is fine, but nowhere near the quality of the speakers and 609.

Originally Posted by kincade

I'm having a strange issue with my 609 that I cannot figure out... And it works perfectly except for this.

I just bought a new Panasonic TC-P65ST50 plasma which has amazon instant video built into it... We would like to occasionally use this in conjunction with our HT speakers and the 609. The only connection between the two units is a single HDMI cable.

In any case, the video streaming works fine but I cannot get the receiver to output any sound from the television whatsoever. I've fiddled with what seems like every setting (ARC, viera link, lip sync) and the best I've been able to do is get the tv remote control to adjust the volume up and down on the receiver (but there is still no sound).

As I'm still a bit new to the HDMI deal, I figure it's either a setting on my part or an incompatibility between the 2 unites.

If any of you have any tips I'd be very grateful. The sound on the 65st50 is fine, but nowhere near the quality of the speakers and 609.

Originally Posted by freeyayo50

Hdmi v1.4 supports ARC. Check your cable and make sure it is at least 1.4. . I have the same issue with my Samsung and ARC. I haven't checked if my cable is 1.4 though. I just have an optical cable connected.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie


For ARC to work, the HDMI-CEC setting must be ON on both the TV (VieraLink, home theater speakers) and on the AVR (RIHD).

ARC doesn't require a specific cable ... HDMI 1.3 cable will work just as well as HDMI 1.4 (this also goes for the 3D video as well). It's the "HDMI inputs" that must be specified as HDMI 1.4. The cable just needs to be rated "High Speed" if trying to pass "1080p". In fact cable mfr's are no longer allowed to specify an HDMI spec on cables because it has caused so much confusion, not to mention tricked new HDMI 1.4 TV Owner's into buying new cables.