Onkyo TX-NR609, TX-NR509, TX-SR309 Thread - Page 106

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Many would say it serves no real purpose with no real gain in either power or audio quality; however, if you have the extra speaker wire, certainly no harm in trying it yourself.

Found on the Onkyo forum that biamping does not give additional power. It only separates the high and low signals to the speakers. I personally noticed a slight diff when biamping though.

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As is the case with virtually every AVR on the market today, when in bi-amp mode, the AVR simply passes the same full range signal to each set of inputs on the speaker to let the speaker crossovers split the frequencies according to the speaker's tweeter and woofer specs. The new Onkyo 818 is likely one of the first AVRs (if not the first < $1500) to feature the capability to set the speaker crossovers in bi-amp mode and pass a specific frequency range to each set of speaker posts.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 6/9/12 at 6:27am

How would you set up bi-amping with the 609 anyway? Set it to 'all channel stereo'? Or does it have a mode specifically for bi-amping?
Edited by Oubadah - 6/9/12 at 6:50pm

The 609 can use the rear high or front high for bi-amping. You can't bi-amp and 7.2 at the same time though.

The 609 doesn't mention Bi-Amping on the rear of the unit (like the 709 and higher models do). Does the 609 still have a bi-amp option in the OSD settings menu? What about the 509?

609 uses the second set of surrounds for the biamp. In the menu there is an option to set the front speakers to biamp.

Thanks.

And I just checked the manuals - there is no mention of bi-amping in the 509's manual like there is in the 609's, so they seem to have excluded the feature for the 509. I guess theoretically you could bi amp using the mains and surrounds, and set the thing to all channel surround, not that it would probably do you any good...

Nobody seemed to want to reply to my thread, so I'll ask here. :P

On a 609, can I watch video from HDMI 1, and have the audio from HDMI 2? If not through HDMI (which I don't think can work), can I somehow run some RCAs or something?

Why, you ask? If I'm watching a sporting event, and want to listen to music at the same time.

Hi D1337, cannot be done with HDMI video and HDMI audio but you can watch a HDMI video and select an audio (like Tuner or music source connected & assigned to TV/CD port - via optical, coaxial or analog).

- connect music source to "TV/CD" jack via optical, coaxial or RCA
- select your video input source
- wait until the source video is playing
- on the remote, press "Receiver" button and then "TV/CD" or "AM" or "FM

Hey guys, ive been researching and reading about 509 and 609. Here in indonesia, these AVRs doesnt come cheap, eventhough they have been discounted since the new models just came out. My question is, is there any difference in sound quality between the 509 and 609? I dont care about the THX, the 7.1 or the video upscaling. Should i spend more money to get the 609? I am planning to get the wharfedale diamond 10.1 for the front channel (100w 6ohms max if im not mistaken) And i will upgrade it to 5.1 in the future.

I will mainly use this to listen to FLAC music. So i dont mind to spend more if the 609 have a noticable better sound quality by bi amping it vs bi wiring using the 509. So for you guys that have compared these 2 AVRs, i would love to hear from you.
Edited by Awira - 6/10/12 at 11:46am

Hey guys, ive been researching and reading about 509 and 609. Here in indonesia, these AVRs doesnt come cheap, eventhough they have been discounted since the new models just came out. My question is, is there any difference in sound quality between the 509 and 609? I dont care about the THX, the 7.1 or the video upscaling. Should i spend more money to get the 609? I am planning to get the wharfedale diamond 10.1 for the front channel (100w 6ohms max if im not mistaken) And i will upgrade it to 5.1 in the future.

I will mainly use this to listen to FLAC music. So i dont mind to spend more if the 609 have a noticable better sound quality by bi amping it vs bi wiring using the 509. So for you guys that have compared these 2 AVRs, i would love to hear from you.

And we also have a really bad internet connection here. So, sorry for the double post

Comare features (side-by-side) of them both at Onkyo.com. There is likely "some" feature you need (or might want in the future without buying a new amp).

 

I suggest the 609 (or new 515/616). For a few extra dollars now, you will have room to grow.

Does movies and/or music sound better when Audyssey is on in the settings menu? Also, what about Dynamic EQ?

I've used it both ways, manually calibrating distance and levels and also using Audessey. Both sound great, but the surround experience is more pronounced when properly calibrating using Audessey, IMO.

However, I just came across a nice decible meter so perhaps I can tweak my 609 manually to surpass Audessey...

Also, if anyone has experience with the BIC 12" sub on Amazon for less than $200 I'd love to hear from you, as my next project is to get that and run a dual sub setup with the 10" Onkyo I have now. With an LFE dial on the BIC, I believe I can isolate it for freqs under 80hz while allowing the 10" Onkyo to do more midbass work.
Edited by mfrey0118 - 6/11/12 at 6:34am

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Keep in mind that it's actually the AVR that sets the distance and volume levels while Audyssey uses it's many filters to actually EQ the speakers.

JD you may know this, is the manual EQ in the 609 parametric and if so what is the Q?

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All you get with the Manual EQ is a simple graphic equalizer that can only apply adjustments in the frequency domain. The time domain benefits of Audyssey filtering are lost.

You can read more about the benefits of Audyssey here ---> http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq

OK, so for instance if I use the manual EQ at 400hz, it's only going to boost the 400hz frequency? So like 401 and 399 will be unaffected? That's pretty useless...

I'm trying my 609 with Audyssey on in movie mode. I'll see if I notice a difference. It'll probably be so suddle I don't even notice :/

Haven't heard from anyone and was hoping to get some advice.

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Here are some suggestions for you, and although referring to a Zone 2 amp, will work just as well with surround back speakers ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_50#user_M1

Thanks! The AudioSource looks like it would work and the price is reasonable.

Hmm I didn't notice this thread, only the very old and very dead "official" 509 one, so I posted a new thread on the forum, but perhaps someone could answer here quicker. I was working on a 509, and set up Pandora via the web interface. I want to remove my account, but I don't see a way neither on the web nor via the remote and LCD display. The receiver is not connected nor even near a TV, but I don't suppose it would help. Anyone knows how to remove internet radio accounts?

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You should be able to log into your Pandora account via a PC or laptop and inactivate it there.

I have a 509 and recently ordered two additional speakers and an amp to expand my speaker setup from 5.1 to 7.1. In doing so, it looks like I have many more options in terms of listening modes. With the 5.1 speaker setup, I was letting the DVD or Blu-ray coding determine which mode (i.e. Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD Master Audio). Since I don't have a cable box (just getting basic cable in the home theater), I was setting the listening mode to All Ch Stereo for cable TV viewing. Here's my questions:

1. Now that I'll have a 7.1 speaker setup, which of the following listening modes would be better suited in place of All Ch Stereo for cable TV viewing (given that I don't have a cable box and only basic cable):

Dolby Pro Logic IIx
Neo: 6

2. Would the use of Dolby EX, DTS-ES Discrete, or DTS-ES Matrix enhance the listening experience over Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, or DTS-HD Master Audio for DVDs and Blu-rays?

3. In essence, if Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, or DTS-HD Master Audio either reproduce the sound in native 7.1 or convert the sound from 5.1 to 7.1 (depending on the source being DVD or Blu-ray and what the 509 can do with it), why would I ever want to use any of the other listening modes?

I apologize in advance if these seem like dumb questions, but with 5.1 (at least for watching DVDs or Blu-rays), I just let the 509 decide what to do based on the source. With 7.1 there may or may not be a whole new world of listening enhancements.

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1. Whichever you prefer, most likely just use DD PLIIx.
2. Not likely, no.
3. They don't convert the audio from 5.1 to 7.1. If the audio is in 7.1, it will play in 7.1, whereas if the audio is only 5.1 (vast majority) then DD PLIIx will simulate the audio to the new rear surround speakers.

Looks like I need to experiment. Regarding your answer to #3, if DD PLIIx "simulates" the audio to the rear surround speakers, does Dolby True-HD and DTS HD simply "mirror" the audio from the surround speakers to the rear surround speakers, or will no audio come out of the rear surround speakers (unless I use DD PLIIx)? It also begs the question that if I use DD PLIIx, am I giving up some quality that is inherent in Dolby True-HD and DTS HD - particularly if the blu-ray was recorded in those formats? I'm guessing that your response to the first question would be the same for DVDs recorded in Dolby Digital or DTS format. I appreciate your thoughts as you certainly know more about this than I do.