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post #3211 of 3823
Audyssey sets my B&W 685's to 40HZ even though they only go down to 49HZ.
post #3212 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Briandl View Post

Audyssey sets my B&W 685's to 40HZ even though they only go down to 49HZ.

See the previous post on why that might be. Regardless, set them to 80hz as a start point. The Audyssey Guide sticky explains this in great detail.
post #3213 of 3823
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Originally Posted by raistline View Post


In real world application 80hz is still good to use since most medium and larger sized speakers can hit down to at least 70hz with decent authority. The subwoofer x-over for most is best set at 120hz but some prefer it at closer to 100 or even 80 to reduce localization and to prevent having Barry Whites voice come from the sub as well. The speakers in a typical home setup will have just tweeters and one sized cone with a single sub or dual sub setup.

Are you referring to LPF of LFE?
post #3214 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis View Post

In all sizes.
I know someone with 4 satellites across their 2-metre back wall, and it's a big improvement with a better soundstage and a wider sweet-spot (and yes, that goes for 5.1, 4.0 and 2.0 movies matrixed to 7.1)
You can see what I did on the back wall of my last room by clicking on my signature below.
So, have two rears on the back wall about your head in addition to the sides.
For the best speaker options, go here...
SURROUND SPEAKERS - Bipole, Dipole, Quadpole, Omnipole... WHICH ONE?

My room is 13 x 21. The surround rear speakers are head height (as are all my speakers) and approximately 6 feet from the back row of chairs against the rear wall. The surround speakers are about a foot behind the back row of seats against the side walls. There is enough physical separation between the four surround speakers that you can clearly distinguish the sound coming from each of them.
post #3215 of 3823
HI guys ..

Just bought this receiver , I find that I have to turn the volume up to 65 to actually hear it .. Is this normal?

2ND question .. My Samsung TV has youtube HD pre install , therefore no HDMI needed to watch or listen . How do i get the sound to come thru my 5.1 speakers via receiver.

I have the mirage nanosat 5.1 speaker set up .

At one point i made some adjustment while watching mission impossible- at volume 40 i had to turn it down, the sound was amazing but i have no idea what i did .

I did the calibration and running the latest firmware ..

I have 8ft ceiling ..13/16 room.

These are my calibrated settings..
speaker config..
front 150hz
center 150 hz
surround 150 hz

Levels :
Bass +10db
Treble 0db
Sub woofer -15db
Center -2db

back of my sub woofer
volume level max
low pass filter 110 hz


Any recommendations to change these settings .. Thanks in advance
post #3216 of 3823
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Originally Posted by muchie View Post

Sub woofer -15db

volume level max

1. Yes.
2. Ensure the HDMI cable from the AVR is plugged in to the correct HDMI(ARC) jack on the TV (generally HDMI2 on Samsung). Set TV to external speakers. On the AVR set HDMI Control (RIHD) to ON.

Also note that your sub volume is too loud, so using the volume knob on the sub, back it off to about 1/3 of maximum or 10 o'clock so that after running Audyssey the sub level is set well below -15db (ie. closer to 0db). Review the Audyssey 101 Guide linked in my sig for more information.
post #3217 of 3823
thanks worked as your suggested.,
post #3218 of 3823
As mentioned previously, I have the 509 and added the rear surrounds to create a 7.1 system. All seven speakers are set to small, and the crossover is set to 40 hz per the manufacturer's recommendations. I have a 100-watt stereo amp (50 watts/channel) driving the rear surrounds connected to the Surround Back Pre Out . In order for Audyssey to pick up the rear surrounds during it's processing, I had to set the amp on maximum volume. Fortunately, I don't get any distortion, but it seems kind of odd that I had to crank up the volume on the amp. Thoughts?
post #3219 of 3823
Regardless of mfr suggestions, you always want to set the crossovers to a minimum of 80hz unless Audyssey sets it higher in which case you leave it at that higher crossover setting. Also note that ideally, side and rear surround speakers should be placed about 2'-3' above your seated head height.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 7/6/12 at 1:51pm
post #3220 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Regardless of mfr suggestions, you always want to set the crossovers to a minimum of 80hz unless Audyssey sets it higher in which case you leave it at that higher crossover setting. Also note that ideally, side and rear surround speakers should be placed about 2'-3' above your seated head height.

Audyssey set my rears at like 140 which is just crazy. I set them to 80 based on the Audyssey thread saying you should. You think they should be higher like Audyssey originally had them?
post #3221 of 3823
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Originally Posted by muchie View Post

HI guys ..
Just bought this receiver , I find that I have to turn the volume up to 65 to actually hear it .. Is this normal?
2ND question .. My Samsung TV has youtube HD pre install , therefore no HDMI needed to watch or listen . How do i get the sound to come thru my 5.1 speakers via receiver.
I have the mirage nanosat 5.1 speaker set up .
At one point i made some adjustment while watching mission impossible- at volume 40 i had to turn it down, the sound was amazing but i have no idea what i did .
I did the calibration and running the latest firmware ..
I have 8ft ceiling ..13/16 room.
These are my calibrated settings..
speaker config..
front 150hz
center 150 hz
surround 150 hz
Levels :
Bass +10db
Treble 0db
Sub woofer -15db
Center -2db
back of my sub woofer
volume level max
low pass filter 110 hz
Any recommendations to change these settings .. Thanks in advance

I figured someone else would pick up on this, but I guess not. If your low pass filter on your sub is only letting in frequencies below 110hz, and your speakers are set at 150Hz, then you're missing the whole frequency range between 110-150Hz. The lowpass on your sub should be set higher than whatever the speakers are set at. In practice, since the receiver is only sending it the signal it needs, you can just turn the low-pass filter on the sub itself all the way up, so it's completely under the control of the receiver. Once you have it turned up, run Audyssey again. Volume level (gain) on sub should be at about 9-11'oclock position (between quarter and almost half) then verify Audyssey setting on sub is between -15 and 0. If it's right at -15, turn it down (on the sub) a little more, because that's the max range Audyssey has, so it's trying to turn it down more to blend it in, but it's maxed, so reduce it a bit on the sub and run Audyssey again.

Ah, just looked up your system. Maximum freq for sub is 120Hz, so have the lowpass turned all the way up. and try setting the speakers at 110hz, that's what they're supposed to be capable of, see how it sounds and compare it to setting them at 120hz.. 150hz is too high because your sub only goes up to 120Hz, so you'll end up with a big blank spot in your music between 120hz and 150Hz. (You'll miss out on anything James Earl Jones is saying!)
post #3222 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

Audyssey set my rears at like 140 which is just crazy. I set them to 80 based on the Audyssey thread saying you should. You think they should be higher like Audyssey originally had them?

The Audyessey thread would have not suggested "lowering" the crossover to 80hz, rather you only want to raise a crossover that is set below 80hz (eg. 40hz) up to 80hz. The AVR will set the crossover based on how your speakers react in your room, regardless of what the mfr says they can do on paper. Review the Audyssey Setup Guide to ensure you're doing setting the mic properly.
post #3223 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Mounta1n View Post

I figured someone else would pick up on this, but I guess not. If your low pass filter on your sub is only letting in frequencies below 110hz, and your speakers are set at 150Hz, then you're missing the whole frequency range between 110-150Hz. The lowpass on your sub should be set higher than whatever the speakers are set at. In practice, since the receiver is only sending it the signal it needs, you can just turn the low-pass filter on the sub itself all the way up, so it's completely under the control of the receiver. Once you have it turned up, run Audyssey again. Volume level (gain) on sub should be at about 9-11'oclock position (between quarter and almost half) then verify Audyssey setting on sub is between -15 and 0. If it's right at -15, turn it down (on the sub) a little more, because that's the max range Audyssey has, so it's trying to turn it down more to blend it in, but it's maxed, so reduce it a bit on the sub and run Audyssey again.
Ah, just looked up your system. Maximum freq for sub is 120Hz, so have the lowpass turned all the way up. and try setting the speakers at 110hz, that's what they're supposed to be capable of, see how it sounds and compare it to setting them at 120hz.. 150hz is too high because your sub only goes up to 120Hz, so you'll end up with a big blank spot in your music between 120hz and 150Hz. (You'll miss out on anything James Earl Jones is saying!)

There's nothing wrong with his speaker crossover settings set to 150hz. Note that the LFE signal only goes from 20hz-120hz and is only sent to the sub, so there's no reason for the sub LFE to be set any higher than 120hz. Also it and has nothing to do with the audio sent to the speakers which can be 20hz-20khz depending on the speaker's crossover which will pass anything below the crossover to the sub, which in this case would be <150hz.
post #3224 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The Audyessey thread would have not suggested "lowering" the crossover to 80hz, rather you only want to raise a crossover that is set below 80hz (eg. 40hz) up to 80hz. The AVR will set the crossover based on how your speakers react in your room, regardless of what the mfr says they can do on paper. Review the Audyssey Setup Guide to ensure you're doing setting the mic properly.

I'm definitely not doing anything wrong. The Audyssey on 2 different receivers from 2 separate brands set them this high. I guess I'll redo the setup. Although I got to say it seems a little high. I don't know.
post #3225 of 3823
What speakers are you using? Where are they physically located? Which direction are they facing? How far from a wall?
post #3226 of 3823
I recently bought the 609 and absolutely love it. Was using some older Yamaha satellites then recently bought (2) Polk Monitor 60's for front left and right. EVen after calibration they are drowning out my little center channel (currently working towards buying a CS10 or CS20).

How can I bring up the sound of the center and decrease the Front and Left?

Thanks in advance.
post #3227 of 3823
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Originally Posted by sschantz View Post

I recently bought the 609 and absolutely love it. Was using some older Yamaha satellites then recently bought (2) Polk Monitor 60's for front left and right. EVen after calibration they are drowning out my little center channel (currently working towards buying a CS10 or CS20).
How can I bring up the sound of the center and decrease the Front and Left?
Thanks in advance.

Did you run the Audyssey calibration yet with mic? It should do what you need. If not, you can go into Speaker Setup then Level Calibration. You can adjust the level for each speaker there.
post #3228 of 3823
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Originally Posted by freeyayo50 View Post

Did you run the Audyssey calibration yet with mic? It should do what you need. If not, you can go into Speaker Setup then Level Calibration. You can adjust the level for each speaker there.

I did do calibration. So do I want to take the hz to a higher or lower number for more sound?
post #3229 of 3823
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Originally Posted by sschantz View Post

I did do calibration. So do I want to take the hz to a higher or lower number for more sound?

You don't need to touch the frequency, just the db levels. Decrease the db of the left and right channels, and increase the db volume of the center channel. This should help even them out. Did go to the settings menu from my last post? That's where you need to be.
post #3230 of 3823
Just a heads up as I hadn't seen it posted here already: there is a new firmware for the 609 dated 7.5.2012 with the following notes:

As of 5 July 2012
•Improves the operation when HDMI Through is set to on;
•Stabilizes the operation of Network Control;
•Corrects the video output when the Picture Mode is set to Through;


It appears as though a similar update is also available for the 509
post #3231 of 3823
For 609 owners, what mode do you generally find yourself listening to movies in? I know it is all subjective but just curious...
post #3232 of 3823
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Originally Posted by donnelltech View Post

Just a heads up as I hadn't seen it posted here already: there is a new firmware for the 609 dated 7.5.2012 with the following notes:
As of 5 July 2012
•Improves the operation when HDMI Through is set to on;
•Stabilizes the operation of Network Control;
•Corrects the video output when the Picture Mode is set to Through;
It appears as though a similar update is also available for the 509

Is this the version number after the update??

1141-1600-0010-8106

Just wanted to make sure mine updated
post #3233 of 3823
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Originally Posted by donnelltech View Post

Just a heads up as I hadn't seen it posted here already: there is a new firmware for the 609 dated 7.5.2012 with the following notes:
As of 5 July 2012
•Improves the operation when HDMI Through is set to on;
•Stabilizes the operation of Network Control;
•Corrects the video output when the Picture Mode is set to Through;
It appears as though a similar update is also available for the 509
For anyone who updated this, roughly how long did it take? Was this one of those hour+ ones, or a quicky? Given that it's updating some video options, I think it may be a long one.
post #3234 of 3823
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

For anyone who updated this, roughly how long did it take? Was this one of those hour+ ones, or a quicky? Given that it's updating some video options, I think it may be a long one.

If indeed the version number is the updated version number that i posted on my previous post then it took all of less than 5 minutes. I do have a 35/35 connection with my isp.
Updated via wireless dongle.
Edited by david0406 - 7/8/12 at 8:07am
post #3235 of 3823
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Originally Posted by sschantz View Post

For 609 owners, what mode do you generally find yourself listening to movies in? I know it is all subjective but just curious...
I pretty always use Direct for all movie watching. If the source comes in with 5.1 I don't like to mess with the original audio track by using any of the built in filters. If the movie is in 2.0 from netflix I use Dolby
post #3236 of 3823
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Originally Posted by raistline View Post

I pretty always use Direct for all movie watching. If the source comes in with 5.1 I don't like to mess with the original audio track by using any of the built in filters. If the movie is in 2.0 from netflix I use Dolby

won't direct turn off your sub/lfe signal?
post #3237 of 3823
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Originally Posted by kevinwoodward View Post

won't direct turn off your sub/lfe signal?
It will not turn off your low-pass filter from my understanding and will not turn off .1 in the movie as all the .1 will still play on the sub.
post #3238 of 3823
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Originally Posted by raistline View Post

I pretty always use Direct for all movie watching. If the source comes in with 5.1 I don't like to mess with the original audio track by using any of the built in filters. If the movie is in 2.0 from netflix I use Dolby

Are you referring to the Direct "Picture Mode" or "surround mode"? Although Direct surround mode will pass the audio "as is", using this surround mode also disables Audyssey. frown.gif
post #3239 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Are you referring to the Direct "Picture Mode" or "surround mode"? Although Direct surround mode will pass the audio "as is", using this surround mode also disables Audyssey. frown.gif
I am referring to Direct in the audio mode. I always find this to sound best. I guess I was unaware that it disabled Audyssey. I may have to re-look at the instructions to verify....
post #3240 of 3823
Yes, Direct mode disables Audyssey, surround and subs/LFE. only plays through front and left.

I listen to movies in there original format if Dolby or DTS. Otherwise, I use Dolby Pro Logic mode. For TV show watching, i most of the time use TV Logic mode as most sound comes from the center channel....There is lot of dialog so i want the sound from the center. For music from tuner, DLNA or iPod, I use Direct most of the time as I find my Polk A7's to have lots of bass and don't feel the need for the sub unless I want more bass of course wink.gif.
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