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post #3541 of 3823
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Originally Posted by scipper77 View Post

I have a question regarding my Tx-NR609 and the Audyssey setup. I apologize if it's been covered in this thread or the audyssey thread but there are a lot of pages to read through.

I ran the audyssey 2eq setup this morning and when it finished I went into my settings to look at where the crossovers were set. In the menu that shows crossovers, I switched the sub setting from "Yes" to "No" and then back to "Yes". This caused my fronts to go from 100Hz to full.

It would seem that just cycling through the settings for the sub derailed my audyssey calibration. From what I have read the best case scenario here is that the front correction remained down to 100Hz and frequencies below that are not corrected.

My question is this... Did turning the sub off and back on cause a situation where I need to run Audyssey again?

Alternatively, would restoring the sub to on ("YES") and fronts to a crossover of 100Hz put me back to where I was after running Audyssey originally?

If my explanation is confusing let me know and I will try to do a better job.

 

In general, it's common for a system to set the Fronts to Full with no Sub attached, so that's likely "as designed".

 

After running Audyssey, I don't think I would be changing what speakers are connected. I've read you can tweak the individual speaker levels a bit here and there (without throwing off the calibration) but that's about it. I also invoke a Crossover of 40Hz on the Fronts and Center (since it puts them at Full Band) but I'm not sure if that's really recommended or an accepted practice.

 

Also, if Audyssey set your Fronts to 100Hz you might want to get them checked or replaced. It should be saying Full Band or a much lower cross-over (around 60Hz at most ... as I saw with my old speakers). Sure, your sub should compensate ... it's just saying your Fronts aren't really capable of much bass (but maybe you already know that).

 

I would re-calibrate real quick.

post #3542 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

In general, it's common for a system to set the Fronts to Full with no Sub attached, so that's likely "as designed".

After running Audyssey, I don't think I would be changing what speakers are connected. I've read you can tweak the individual speaker levels a bit here and there (without throwing off the calibration) but that's about it. I also invoke a Crossover of 40Hz on the Fronts and Center (since it puts them at Full Band) but I'm not sure if that's really recommended or an accepted practice.

Also, if Audyssey set your Fronts to 100Hz you might want to get them checked or replaced. It should be saying Full Band or a much lower cross-over (around 60Hz at most ... as I saw with my old speakers). Sure, your sub should compensate ... it's just saying your Fronts aren't really capable of much bass (but maybe you already know that).

I would re-calibrate real quick.

No need to recalibrate. Have a set of Onkyo factory theater in a box speakers. Every time I plan an upgrade it costs me $800-1000, and right now there are just other things I need to spend that money on.
post #3543 of 3823
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Originally Posted by scipper77 View Post


No need to recalibrate. Have a set of Onkyo factory theater in a box speakers. Every time I plan an upgrade it costs me $800-1000, and right now there are just other things I need to spend that money on.

I only said to re-calibrate to make sure system was working optimally for the speakers you have attached (might as well).

 

I'm always looking for definitive info on Audyssey. Namely, what manual settings or tweaks are we "allowed" to make to speaker settings (level, cross-overs, etc.) without de-railing the calibration.

 

The Onkyo HTiB speaker set is fine (especially for a smaller rooms ... my brother has a set). This explains the 100Hz selection by Audyssey. No problem as the included Sub picks up the slack.

 

I know what you mean about the money. I do one sub-system every couple of years. I just did my 5.1 from Polk Audio matched separates. Only $750, but only because I fell into a sale at NewEgg. It's the first time I bought a whole set at once. I plan to have them forever (to justify the cost). smile.gif

post #3544 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

I'm always looking for definitive info on Audyssey. Namely, what manual settings or tweaks are we "allowed" to make to speaker settings (level, cross-overs, etc.) without de-railing the calibration.

I don't have anything to back me up on this but I can't imagine that by changing the level by a dB or two on any of the speakers would de-trail the calibration very much. After I calibrated my 609, I upped the level of the rear surrounds by a couple dB just because we like to hear that part of the soundtrack a littlle louder and I completely understand doing that may result in us not hearing things exactly the way they were intended, but that's OK too IMO, as it comes down to what sounds good, right?
post #3545 of 3823
I have always freely modified the settings that show up in the Onkyo remote app without worrying about Audyssey. I figure as long as you dont touch the crossover settings you are fine. It was when I messed with the sub and saw that that changed the crossover for the fronts that I started to question exactly what you are allowed to change.

If there are any Audyssey experts out there looking for an opportunity to spout some knowledge, this is it.
post #3546 of 3823
If I biamp my fronts with the 609, will Audyssey EQ both sets of channels (amps) going into the fronts? In other words is it true biamping or is it just sending more power?
post #3547 of 3823
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Originally Posted by sschantz View Post

Does the 609 have a night mode where the bass is diminished?

http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-amplifiers-receivers/1574646-onkyo-tx-nr609-owners-thread-part-2-a-15.html
post #3548 of 3823
I discovered today that my 609 has lost it's ability to use the network (NET) function. When I switch to it all I get is a blue screen. I checked the settings in Setup and DHCP is enabled. I have not used the NET function on the 609 ever since getting a Sony BDP-S590 BluRay player in late Dec 2012 because the Sony's streaming apps are better so I use it for streaming, but I would like the ability to get firmware updates over the internet. The 609 is hardwired to my network and DHCP is enabled in the Network setup. I tried different cables and I know the network connection is good because it works just fine on the Sony as well as my TV. I also tried re-setting my router. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

UPDATE: I read on another thread that someone had a similar problem and they unplugged the 609 and then plugged it back in, then it started working, so I tried that and now things are working fine again.
Edited by am_dew - 2/9/13 at 12:51pm
post #3549 of 3823
Well I just set-up my new 609, plugged in the set-up microphone and ran through the set-up. Saved settings when I get to the Please unplug microphone screen and unplug the mic the screen just stays up like the mic is plugged in. Did anyone else run into this issue?? I can't get out of the auto set-up power cycling doesn't help.
post #3550 of 3823
I just picked up a new center channel speaker so I want to re-calibrate my 609 but I've read some posts in here about the listening positions being incorrect in the User Manual. The User Manual says the following:

First: Most central
Second: Right side
Third: Left side

When you run the Full Calibration, it does not tell you where each position is. Are the positions above from the manual correct?

Thanks!

EDIT/UPDATE: I found some info on Audyssey's website http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to that essentially says that position 1 is the central position and from there it is not critical but their pic does show position 2 on the right and 3 on the left (or as the 609 manual says).
Edited by am_dew - 2/11/13 at 8:56pm
post #3551 of 3823
It depends on what firmware you have. If you have the latest firmware, then first is center, and the second and third are the sides (I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter which side you do first - speaker distances and levels are all set by the first measurement).

In an older version of the 609 firmware (I don't remember which one - Onkyo doesn't list very many details about their updates), it was wrong. You had to go side - center - side, against what the manual said.

The easiest way to tell is with the speaker distances after you run it. If your mic is placed normally, the distances for the front L and R speakers should be about the same. If its the old firmware and you do center first and then the side, it will say one of the L or R speakers is much closer than the other because it will use a side measurement to determine the distances and levels of all speakers.
post #3552 of 3823
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

It depends on what firmware you have. If you have the latest firmware, then first is center, and the second and third are the sides (I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter which side you do first - speaker distances and levels are all set by the first measurement).

In an older version of the 609 firmware (I don't remember which one - Onkyo doesn't list very many details about their updates), it was wrong. You had to go side - center - side, against what the manual said.

The easiest way to tell is with the speaker distances after you run it. If your mic is placed normally, the distances for the front L and R speakers should be about the same. If its the old firmware and you do center first and then the side, it will say one of the L or R speakers is much closer than the other because it will use a side measurement to determine the distances and levels of all speakers.

Thanks. I've got the latest firmware loaded so I will use center as the first position.
post #3553 of 3823
WTF happened?

I turned my 609 off one night after using the PS3 that it attached to via HDMI for video and digital audio to the BD/DVD input. Everything worked fine. The next day I turned it on and the unit would not recognize any speakers being attached to the reciever - no settings or anything changed on the system. I have it plugged into a surge protector along with my TV, PS3, and cable box. All of which are still working perfectly fine. Additionally, I cannot access section 8 of the menu (it goes from menu section 7 to menu section 9) and the NET functions have stopped working. I thought I'd try to update the firmware (which was up to date as of the last update) but I can't access the right menu section (section 8).

So far I have tried (in order)...
Unplugging it and plugging it back in. No effect.
Unplugging HDMI cables and plugging them back in. No effect.
Factory reset (BTW - that is pushing VCR/DVR button and the Power button at the same time). No effect.

My thought at this point is that I have somehow gotten a virus or my unit crapped out. I haven't seen anybody dealing with this type of malfunction anywhere.

Any help you all can provide would be great.

Seriously PO'ed,
Ridgely
post #3554 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

I only said to re-calibrate to make sure system was working optimally for the speakers you have attached (might as well).

I'm always looking for definitive info on Audyssey. Namely, what manual settings or tweaks are we "allowed" to make to speaker settings (level, cross-overs, etc.) without de-railing the calibration.

The Onkyo HTiB speaker set is fine (especially for a smaller rooms ... my brother has a set). This explains the 100Hz selection by Audyssey. No problem as the included Sub picks up the slack.

I know what you mean about the money. I do one sub-system every couple of years. I just did my 5.1 from Polk Audio matched separates. Only $750, but only because I fell into a sale at NewEgg. It's the first time I bought a whole set at once. I plan to have them forever (to justify the cost). smile.gif
I had Onkyo HTS-5400 HTiB speakers and my 609 wanted to x over at 120. I upgraded to all BIC America DV series with homemade sub and it xovers at 40hz for front and center. Total cost for 7 speakers $540 and they sound fantastic for music and movies.
I should use my Dayton room calibration gear to see the changes in frequency response Audessey implements.
post #3555 of 3823
I've got the 609 and 7.1 speakers. However, we are moving and I won't be able to install the rear and side speakers for a while. I don't want a soundbar b/c I love my 609. My initial thoughts are to just do a 3.1 setup. We've got built-in bookshelves (pictured) that the TV, center and front speakers will go on. The subwoofer will go to the left of the fireplace. My first question is whether it would sound ok if I also put the rear surround speakers on the built-in bookcase? Or, second, what audio setting should I use if I stick with 3.1?

Thanks!
post #3556 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jtrippe View Post

I've got the 609 and 7.1 speakers. However, we are moving and I won't be able to install the rear and side speakers for a while. I don't want a soundbar b/c I love my 609. My initial thoughts are to just do a 3.1 setup. We've got built-in bookshelves (pictured) that the TV, center and front speakers will go on. The subwoofer will go to the left of the fireplace. My first question is whether it would sound ok if I also put the rear surround speakers on the built-in bookcase? Or, second, what audio setting should I use if I stick with 3.1?

Thanks!

 

Hopefully you get a better answer than mine.  smile.gif

 

In the manual ... 3.0 (and I guess 3.1) is shown as a valid config.

 

I would say try 3.0, 3.1, and 5.1 ... experiment. To me, the questions are:

- Can I get dialog to Center without a full 5.0/5.1 setup.

- Can I play a 5.1 DVD or Blu-Ray (5.1 core is fine for now) ... and not completely lose any sound channels. Run something like an old AVIA disc that bitstreams AC3/DTS audio to each speaker individually.  

 

Questions like this come up from time to time, and I've always wondered myself. Personally, I just hook up some spare speakers and stick them in a corner or something.

 

Reaching way back in my mind, somehow I think it has to be one of these:

- Stereo
- ProLogic
- 5.0/5.1/7.1, etc.

... but with these newer amps (DSP and sound modes) it's hard to say.


Edited by Tesla1856 - 2/17/13 at 2:47pm
post #3557 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jtrippe View Post

I've got the 609 and 7.1 speakers. However, we are moving and I won't be able to install the rear and side speakers for a while. I don't want a soundbar b/c I love my 609. My initial thoughts are to just do a 3.1 setup. We've got built-in bookshelves (pictured) that the TV, center and front speakers will go on. The subwoofer will go to the left of the fireplace. My first question is whether it would sound ok if I also put the rear surround speakers on the built-in bookcase? Or, second, what audio setting should I use if I stick with 3.1?

Thanks!

I would think that worst case scenario is to go with the 3.1 setup and force the receiver to play in all channel stereo. I'm almost positive that you can run Audyssey with any possible speaker configuration and it will do it's thing.

The only issue is that of what will output to the center channel?? It may be in your best interest to manually select stereo audio tracks to play from your blurays and dvd's. (If that's even an option.)

All discussion aside, the best thing to do is just hook it up and see what happens. I doubt you will notice anything missing because all media has to be able to play from a tv's 2.0 setup.
post #3558 of 3823
If you are running a 3.1 speaker setup it would be best to run the receiver in 5.1 mode. This will allow you to make the most of your center channel speaker, which is generally the most important speaker in movies. You won't lose much when it comes to surround as that is mostly for effects in movies.
post #3559 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jtrippe View Post

I've got the 609 and 7.1 speakers. However, we are moving and I won't be able to install the rear and side speakers for a while. I don't want a soundbar b/c I love my 609. My initial thoughts are to just do a 3.1 setup. We've got built-in bookshelves (pictured) that the TV, center and front speakers will go on. The subwoofer will go to the left of the fireplace. My first question is whether it would sound ok if I also put the rear surround speakers on the built-in bookcase? Or, second, what audio setting should I use if I stick with 3.1?

Thanks!

When you run Audyssey, the AVR will detect no surround speakers and simply down mix any 5.1/7.1 audio to your 3.1 setup. Also, I would skip the idea of placing the surround speakers in the bookshelf. If you decide you want more than the 3.1 setup, you may want to consider wireless speakers if the wiring is the only issue with setting up your current side/rear surround speakers. AVSForum founder David Bott recently recommended the Aperion wireless speakers as providing very high quality audio. smile.gif
Edited by jdsmoothie - 2/23/13 at 2:14am
post #3560 of 3823
Thanks! We just moved in today. Will run Audessy on a 3.1 setup when I get everything pieced together. I may get back to 7.1 sooner rather than later. A buddy of mine offered to help me run the wire and mount the speakers.
post #3561 of 3823
Hey guys.
First off, apologies if this has been covered already but this is quite a long thread and as I'm new to audio setups a lot of what's being discussed is lost on me.

I recently bought an Onkyo TX-Sr309 but I'm having some issues with the sound. It's hooked up to my PS3, my TV and my turntable.
But I can't get sound from the turntable at all and when I'm using the PS3 there's audio missing. If I play a blu-ray or DVD I'm missing dialogue or vocals.
There's definitely sound coming from each speaker so they're all connected.

And when I try to watch Netflix on the PS3 I can only get sound when I switch the audio options to stereo. In 5.1 all I get is silence.

Has anyone got any ideas on how I could fix this or any tips on how I should have everything set up?

My TV is a Samsung UE55ES70 and I'm using a Jamo S-600 5.1 speaker setup.

Any help would be appreciated.
post #3562 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Irredeemable View Post

Hey guys.
First off, apologies if this has been covered already but this is quite a long thread and as I'm new to audio setups a lot of what's being discussed is lost on me.

I recently bought an Onkyo TX-Sr309 but I'm having some issues with the sound. It's hooked up to my PS3, my TV and my turntable.
But I can't get sound from the turntable at all and when I'm using the PS3 there's audio missing. If I play a blu-ray or DVD I'm missing dialogue or vocals.
There's definitely sound coming from each speaker so they're all connected.

And when I try to watch Netflix on the PS3 I can only get sound when I switch the audio options to stereo. In 5.1 all I get is silence.

Has anyone got any ideas on how I could fix this or any tips on how I should have everything set up?

My TV is a Samsung UE55ES70 and I'm using a Jamo S-600 5.1 speaker setup.

Any help would be appreciated.

Hi, I am no expert on the matter but these is MHO:

Did you run the audio setup to let it know that you are now connected to a 5.1 cappable receiver?

If you did, you must allso check on the video tab to "bitstream" your audio.
I am under the assumption that you are using a HDMI cable between your ps3 and the receiver.
If all these fails.
Check your speakers cables, make sure they are properly connected.

Remember cables can go crazy and stop working properly, specially hdmi.
post #3563 of 3823
I skimmed a good portion of this thread before I registered, so I did perform my due diligence before asking, but I might have missed something.

So I have a NR-509 and have successfully DLNA linked my desktop. I downloaded the Onkyo remotes (both) and ORemote as a controller.

So like most, I hoped for a sleek, fast control point from via the NR-509. Though it works, it's not the smooth loving I originally envisioned.

The Onkyo Remotes (version 2 doesn't work) are clunky and freeze up the receiver every now and again. Same with O-Remote. I'm better off walking to my computer in the other room.
Navigating through folders is clunky and slow, as the window is limited.

Is this the best performance out of DLNA controlling via ipad the NR-509? Can I expect more, or have I set up something wrong? Has anyone else smooth and flawlessly bridged via DLNA?
post #3564 of 3823
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Originally Posted by rickrandom View Post

I skimmed a good portion of this thread before I registered, so I did perform my due diligence before asking, but I might have missed something.

So I have a NR-509 and have successfully DLNA linked my desktop. I downloaded the Onkyo remotes (both) and ORemote as a controller.

So like most, I hoped for a sleek, fast control point from via the NR-509. Though it works, it's not the smooth loving I originally envisioned.

The Onkyo Remotes (version 2 doesn't work) are clunky and freeze up the receiver every now and again. Same with O-Remote. I'm better off walking to my computer in the other room.
Navigating through folders is clunky and slow, as the window is limited.

Is this the best performance out of DLNA controlling via ipad the NR-509? Can I expect more, or have I set up something wrong? Has anyone else smooth and flawlessly bridged via DLNA?

My 609 is smooth and flawless with the Android remote. The remote app is limited by it's nature. You are not going to be setting crossover points ot anything fancy like that. I can stream music stored on my phone without a hitch.

I would suggest you look at the following.

Is the firmware up to date on your 509?
How reliable is your network connection? I have mine hardwired, and my wireless router works flawlessly. Is your receiver hardwired or "dongled"?
Have you tried both the android and the iphone versions of the remote app?
post #3565 of 3823
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Originally Posted by scipper77 View Post

My 609 is smooth and flawless with the Android remote. The remote app is limited by it's nature. You are not going to be setting crossover points ot anything fancy like that. I can stream music stored on my phone without a hitch.

I would suggest you look at the following.

Is the firmware up to date on your 509?
How reliable is your network connection? I have mine hardwired, and my wireless router works flawlessly. Is your receiver hardwired or "dongled"?
Have you tried both the android and the iphone versions of the remote app?

Hmm, good thought provoking questions.

I will attempt a firmware update.
I am dongled, running off a wi-fi with one of those USB antennas.
I have not tried the android version of the software.
I will attempt these change and report back!

What remote software are you using, is it the Onkyo 2?
post #3566 of 3823
Hello guys,

I recently made the switch from the $20 logitech speakers to bookshelf speakers with a center, sub and the 509 receiver. I'm no audiophile, just learning more and more on the go.

I have the center and bookshelf from Andrew Jones pioneer line along with polk psw10 sub. I recently had to send the fronts back to Amazon for price adjustment so I've only been using the center. Surprisingly center by itself sounds amazing.

Using the center alone, would it hurt the receiver or the center? A new set of fronts should be arriving in a few days.

Is there anyway I can play music through the receiver while playing video games. Sometimes I just mute the game while playing and listen to music. When I try to do this, it just switches the mode. Is it possible to play games and listen to music at the same time not using zone 2.

I have a buncha questions about zone 2 but I'm gonna explore it a bit more before posting.

Thanks
post #3567 of 3823
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi gohawks, yes connect an extra optical cable from apple tv to receiver "TV/CD"port.

- select your video input source (ps3 or cable tv)
- wait until the source video is playing
- on the remote, press "Receiver" button and then "TV/CD" button ("Tuner" button works as well radio)

after some more reading, this was the answer to my solution.

the more i go through this thread, the more features i'm discovering(yes know all this is in the manual...)
post #3568 of 3823
Going to buy NR509 to replace SR605 in one of my rooms. I wanna network receiver.
post #3569 of 3823
Hey 609ers...on Saturday I set up a 5.1 with this receiver for a friend. He has an older TV, DVD, player, VCR, and dish satellite box. I left all the video connections running to the TV and simply was going run the analog inputs to DVD, VCR, and sat in. I can't get any sound from any though. I can only get sound through the optical which I used for the sat box, and the TV analog input all the way on the left which I used for the DVD player. I have the setting exactly the same for DVD in as the TV in. Suggestions?cool.gif
post #3570 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Hey 609ers...on Saturday I set up a 5.1 with this receiver for a friend. He has an older TV, DVD, player, VCR, and dish satellite box. I left all the video connections running to the TV and simply was going run the analog inputs to DVD, VCR, and sat in. I can't get any sound from any though. I can only get sound through the optical which I used for the sat box, and the TV analog input all the way on the left which I used for the DVD player. I have the setting exactly the same for DVD in as the TV in. Suggestions?cool.gif

Too bad you can't use HDMI.

 

Strange problem because I thought analog inputs always worked, meaning, you can't really turn them off. Has to be that way in case you want to use Zone2 (which only works with analog signals).

 

Now, with SPDIF (optical or coax) I'm sure you saw that those input ports are assignable.

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