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Originally Posted by dcdivenut View Post

what kind of batteries does it take... read somewhere they are really hard to replace... 3D was definitely not a driver for me getting the set, but like any electronic goodness, hard to resist...

I haven't checked but looked like the kind of button battery you can get easily like rad said, tho haven't double checked which ones. I assume that once you turn off the set due to the bluetooth the glasses would turn off anyways, but the on/off button on the glasses is easy enough to use (kind of like turning off your own headlights or do you need a car that has auto off?).

PS I hadn't actually tested that but just did and if I turn off the tv the glasses also turn off...
post #1562 of 5052
The 3100GB takes a CR 2025.


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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I haven't checked but looked like the kind of button battery you can get easily like rad said, tho haven't double checked which ones. I assume that once you turn off the set due to the bluetooth the glasses would turn off anyways, but the on/off button on the glasses is easy enough to use (kind of like turning off your own headlights or do you need a car that has auto off?).

PS I hadn't actually tested that but just did and if I turn off the tv the glasses also turn off...
post #1563 of 5052
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Originally Posted by LOPANindustries View Post

Does the d8000 series have the feature " motion judder canceller " that was in the C8000 last year?

It does not. Kind of bummed because i liked the clear setting
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anyone wanna post some calibration settings for play on the PS3?
I know there is a game mode but I see no need for it as it is super smooth and not laggy at all without it. I'm just looking for someone who really knows what they are talking about with ideal settings for gaming without game mode to make the picture as smooth and true as possible. I'm not sure what should be on or off when it comes to things like black tone,dynamic contrast,RGB mode,edge enhance,motion lighting,xvYcc,digital noise, mpeg noise, film mode and all of that type of stuff. I'm lost as to how it all works together. I usually play mostly first person shooters. Please Help
post #1565 of 5052
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Originally Posted by dcdivenut View Post

Thanks a bunch... VERY helpful!
not to sound stupid... but because it is an extra $200 that I could use for a lot of other cool equipment... you thought the 3100 were the most comfortable but you kept the 3300 for primary use... is that because the charging and on/off feature were just that useful?

Yes, I went with the 3300 because they're rechargeable and automatically turn on and off as needed. I knew my kids wouldn't remember to turn off the 3100 glasses when they were done, and didn't want to get stuck replacing the button batteries all the time. Plus, the induction charging station is pretty slick.
post #1566 of 5052
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Originally Posted by marleebrz View Post

anyone wanna post some calibration settings for play on the PS3?

Have you tried any of the settings in the calibration thread?
post #1567 of 5052
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Originally Posted by TiVoHD View Post

Have you tried any of the settings in the [url="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20405478#p thread[/URL]?

yes i have, i have reed all of that and all of this thread, but it doesnt mention anything about ideal gaming settings.
post #1568 of 5052
tivohd i already have my tv set up based on the 3 calibrated settings on here but i'm just looking for ideal for gaming and or blu ray via ps3. thanks
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Originally Posted by marleebrz View Post

tivohd i already have my tv set up based on the 3 calibrated settings on here but i'm just looking for ideal for gaming and or blu ray via ps3. thanks

I wouldn't expect the settings to be different for the PS3, but I can't say for sure since I don't have one. I do use the same settings for the Xbox 360 with great results. Are the settings not looking good on your PS3?
post #1570 of 5052
yes they look good i'm just not sure they couldnt look better. i'm also not sure but i think once in a while i may be seeing a bit of blur when side schrolling quickly. i may like i said have something on or off thats not supposed to be. i'm not even sure i see blur but maybe i guess.
post #1571 of 5052
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Originally Posted by marleebrz View Post

anyone wanna post some calibration settings for play on the PS3?
I know there is a game mode but I see no need for it as it is super smooth and not laggy at all without it. I'm just looking for someone who really knows what they are talking about with ideal settings for gaming without game mode to make the picture as smooth and true as possible. I'm not sure what should be on or off when it comes to things like black tone,dynamic contrast,RGB mode,edge enhance,motion lighting,xvYcc,digital noise, mpeg noise, film mode and all of that type of stuff. I'm lost as to how it all works together. I usually play mostly first person shooters. Please Help

Game mode does away with lag from controller to screen not the screens fluidness. I ignored game mode for god knows how long but turned it on for dead space 2 and man, what a difference. A lot less dying
post #1572 of 5052
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Originally Posted by marleebrz View Post

yes they look good i'm just not sure they couldnt look better. i'm also not sure but i think once in a while i may be seeing a bit of blur when side schrolling quickly. i may like i said have something on or off thats not supposed to be. i'm not even sure i see blur but maybe i guess.

I think you're trying too hard. If it looks good, stick with it. You'll never be sure that it couldn't look better.
post #1573 of 5052
lol your probably right tivohd.
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Could someone comment on the web browsing feature for this model? I have a friend who is considering the 8k over the 7k specifically for the browsing capabilities.
post #1575 of 5052
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Originally Posted by AstroDad View Post

Could someone comment on the web browsing feature for this model? I have a friend who is considering the 8k over the 7k specifically for the browsing capabilities.

It works, but tends to be more hassle than it's worth. You're better off with a laptop or iPad nearby to surf the web.
post #1576 of 5052
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Originally Posted by AstroDad View Post
Could someone comment on the web browsing feature for this model? I have a friend who is considering the 8k over the 7k specifically for the browsing capabilities.
My personal experience has been great with the browser. Yes it's a bit slow and it is a bit awkward to get used to at first, but it plays every type of video I've thrown at it so far and in all honesty is better than I expected. If you want to compare it to like a PS3 or Wii browser, The D8000 browser blows both of them out of the water. I've now had my set for 9 days and love it. If I were buying again I'd be buying the same D8000 so I've got no regrets. Many people say the browser is slow, I have to wonder if they are referring to the WI-FI connection? I have my TV wired so that's all I can comment about as like I said I have never tried to run the browser off of WI-FI. Keep all things in mind here though, you are not buying a computer, you are buying a top level TV with "some" computer capabilities, so dont PC performance from a TV. My Computer is 5 years old and I prefer to use my tv browser as opposed to the computer for general browsing.
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Does anyone with a D8000 know if it's possible to connect a bluetooth keyboard such as a logitech dinovo mini?
post #1578 of 5052
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Originally Posted by AstroDad View Post

Could someone comment on the web browsing feature for this model? I have a friend who is considering the 8k over the 7k specifically for the browsing capabilities.

It's balky and awkward compared to something dedicated to the purpose with a real keyboard (but for all I know there might a way to do just that on the D8000). I use a laptop while I watch many shows anyways, using the tv's display would just get in the way. While I wouldn't say the browser is a lot better than what comes on the PS3, it is an improvement. The apps I prefer via the TV for the most part; altho for Netflix between the two a plus is I don't have to sign into PS network altho a minus is that I like the ease of surfing of movie choices for Netflix more on the PS3.
post #1579 of 5052
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Originally Posted by AstroDad View Post

Could someone comment on the web browsing feature for this model? I have a friend who is considering the 8k over the 7k specifically for the browsing capabilities.

I have found the web browsing to work really well and easy, you just need to use the qwerty remote.

It supports all flash formats too which is good whereas as sony does not!
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65VT30 reviewed by Chad B and Comparison with Samsung PN-64D8000!!

Recently I had the opportunity to check out Panasonic's latest top of the line plasma, the 65" VT30, at Cleveland Plasma. The VT30 is a beautifully designed set, with a glass front covering the bezel and screen. Reflections are obvious and possibly distracting, though the screen does a very good job of remaining dark in moderate ambient light for a plasma. Sleek and super thin, the VT30 makes a positive impression right away.

The VT30 is the first plasma to feature- ahem- automatic calibration. I can hear the sales pitch now... "Yes, the VT30 actually will save you $400 bucks! Instead of hiring some high priced calibrator to tweak the picture, all you have to do is hook this baby to your laptop, and a few button clicks later you have a perfect picture!" All right, all right... It's not quite like that. Actually, the VT30's automatic calibration feature is really geared toward professional calibrators, intending to make their job more efficient and thorough. Working in conjunction with Spectracal's CalMAN Commercial (possible add ons for lower license levels are being reviewed by Spectracal) software and a meter, eventually the process will adjust the grayscale and gamma at 10 levels, among other things, and allow it all to be saved in a new ISF Day or Night picture preset that will be protected from accidental changes.

Before calibration:

After a few setup questions, the VT30 is ready to rock 'n roll in the Energy Star rated Standard picture mode. Well, maybe rock 'n roll isn't the best analogy for Standard mode. Mildly irritating elevator music may be more descriptive. Standard mode is quite grainy and uninvolving, and with a maximum light output of 4.7 fL, it's pretty hard to see objects like snow capped mountains, a hockey rink, a car's headlights, or a blazing sun in the picture.

Thankfully, once a better picture mode like Custom, THX, or Cinema is selected, the VT30's picture quality starts to show hints of it's stunning potential. Untouched Custom mode, with my familiar 1080P/24 Blu Ray demo material, had lots of pop and excitement. However, colors were over the top and too rich, and the picture was still quite grainy. People looked like they suffered chronic sunburn. I saw some odd motion/panning artifacts, and pans had that infamous Soap Opera smoothness. Overall, Custom mode offered a picture that initially was vivid and eye catching, but eventually became fatiguing and unnatural.

Though I did not view demo material in pre-calibrated Cinema or THX mode, the measurements suggest that either mode should provide a middle ground between the bland look of Standard and the over the top look of Custom. However, both Cinema and THX modes suffered from an emphasis of green in the white balance, which is subjectively the most unflattering direction in which to err. A simple change from Warm2 to Warm1 in the picture adjustments should alleviate that problem and provide a good overall image.

Calibration:

The review unit was a bit green, though Chris had it running the break in DVD for about 35 hours before I arrived. Having downloaded the latest version of CalMAN, I got the TV interfaced with my laptop and calibration gear to check out the automatic calibration feature. Unfortunately, at this stage of it's development, the feature proved to be useless for the most part. It did open up a new picture preset called ISF Day (Night would also be available), but unfortunately the 10 point white balance and grayscale adjustment was not available to select; only the 2 point white balance adjustment was available. Also, far too many necessary picture options and adjustments were grayed out, making even a 2 point calibration far from optimal. However, I did have it try the automatic calibration. What I ended up with was an ISF Day mode with a peak light output of only about 28 fL and a pretty good white balance, but poor performance in other aspects of the picture.

I did a lot of experimentation in Custom mode, since it has a fantastic variety of adjustments in the advanced user menu. Unfortunately, some of those controls just did not work. Most of the CMS adjustments were non functional, though I was able to adjust the luminance (out of luminance, hue, and saturation) of each color. Even with the luminance adjustment, however, things were not as they should be. Setting the color at one video level resulted in color compression at other levels. I tried to minimize the effect with different combinations of the master color control and the luminance adjustments, but could not entirely eliminate it. I also experimented with different panel brightness settings, which has had an impact on color linearity in past Panasonic models, with no success. I concluded that the color was going to be compromised in Custom mode, but I continued on in the hope that other aspects of performance might make up for it.
The gamma adjustment in Custom mode did have a 10 point detail adjustment. However, after a while of experimenting, I found I really was not making the improvements I had hoped for. It was like trying to climb up a slippery slope; I seemed to make a couple step of progress here and there, but soon found myself not far from where I started.
The VT30's ABL (auto brightness limiter) was fairly aggressive, allowing very small white objects to be bright enough, but severely limiting larger bright objects. All plasmas have this to a certain degree to limit power consumption and protect the panel, though less ABL interference results in a better image. I found a new adjustment for video type in the VT30's menu that did seem to make the ABL less obtrusive when set to photo or video (default was off), with no apparent disadvantage. It did increase blue in the white balance by a tiny bit, but not enough to be visible.

I found Cinema and THX modes to be the best starting points for calibration. Cinema mode had slightly better gamma, but it's light output was more limited than THX. For moderate ambient lighting conditions, THX seemed the best choice, though Cinema may be slightly better for a totally dark room. Because of it's slightly better versatility, I concentrated my efforts on THX mode.

As with some past Panasonic plasmas starting with the V10, supplying a 1080P/24 signal and engaging the 96 Hz mode resulted in subtle measured changes to the picture relative to 60 Hz mode. 96 Hz mode reduced light output very slightly, degraded the gamma a bit, and reduced blue in the white balance by a few percent. All of these changes were very subtle, and are not cause for too much concern. Also like the V10, engaging 96 Hz mode did have a positive impact on what might be thought to be an unrelated but important picture aspect: black level and contrast. While the VT30's black level was too low for my meter to read reliably even in 60 Hz mode, I could see a slight improvement or darkening of the black level when engaging 96 Hz. 96 Hz mode did introduce a tiny bit of flickering in some test patterns, but it was so slight and infrequent that it did not bother me at all with video.

I found that all of THX mode's user menu picture controls were pretty close to optimal, though I did raise contrast and lower sharpness both by a small amount. The biggest improvement in THX mode came from adjustment of the grayscale in the service menu.

Maximum light output after calibration in THX mode was about 38 fL with my usual small (10%) test windows. That is adequate for a light controlled room, but on the low side for most living rooms. With larger measurement windows, the white balance shifted slightly (reducing green along with other changes) and light output reduced to 35 fL with 18% medium windows and 32 fL with 25% large windows. With a 100% full field, maximum light output dropped to just over 12 fL.

After calibration:

After all the technical tests were complete, I put my familiar demo material in the Blu Ray player and sat back to enjoy the picture.

Pans and motion were surprisingly good, even with the VT30 in 60Hz mode. I was impressed with the lifelikeness of the image. However, colors lacked a tiny bit of richness; skin tones were natural but a bit too polite. There was a good but not quite excellent sense of depth, and shadow detail was strong and neutral toned. Try as I might, I saw no traces of DSE (dirty screen effect), contouring, or fluctuating black bars. There was very good pop in a dark room, though the picture was not terribly exciting with moderate lighting. Overall, I thought the image was very good, though a little lacking in "Wow!" factor. Looking back through my notes and calibration data, I believe the blame for the lack of excitement can be laid at the feet of the not fully developed calibration adjustments. With black level and contrast this good, the image should be oozing with pop and excitement. However, the lower than optimal gamma, slightly uneven color luminance with red being low, and tame light output seemed to combine to rob the image of some of it's edge. These are all things that could be eliminated if only the VT30's calibration flaws could be corrected. In fact, Custom mode appeared to bring a substantial boost in excitement and verve to the table at the expense of color and overall picture accuracy. If Custom mode's (or the auto-calibration ISF mode's) calibration flaws are corrected with a firmware update, we'll have a TV to really cheer about. As it is, I felt it was very good, but not living up to it's full potential.

Comparison with Samsung PN-64D8000:

I just happened to have a similar sized and freshly calibrated Samsung sitting right next to the VT30, so I couldn't resist a quick face-off. 1080P/24 HDMI from the Blu Ray player was sent to a high quality HDMI distribution amplifier, and both displays were calibrated to around 40 fL peak light output give or take a few percent. The room was totally dark except for at the very beginning. The Samsung was evaluated with Cinema Smooth turned off since it degrades the black level. Both 96 and 60 Hz modes were sampled on the VT30.

Lights on, power off:
The VT30 was a little more reflective. Both plasmas stayed fairly dark, retaining good contrast with moderate ambient light.

Lights off, test patterns:
The D8000 looked brighter and a purer white when displaying a full white field.
Looking at a moving white bar, I was able to see slight signs of the DSE on the D8000: the movement of the bar caused the screen to appear to have dirty fingerprints or smudges on it. The effect was only noticeable with this test pattern.
With a very dark PLUGE image, I could see the VT30's blacks were just barely darker to the eye in 60 Hz mode. It was such a slight difference, though, that I would definitely not be able to see it except in this instance where they were side by side in a pitch black room. However, the VT30's blacks became slightly darker with the 96 Hz mode engaged, and the difference became easier to identify.
A gray ramp looked a little off-white on the VT30 and purer on the D8000. The optimal brightness setting floated by about 1 click worth on the D8000 depending on the picture content, though neither the D8000 nor the VT30 were rock solid.

Lights off, video material:
I saw that shadow detail was exaggerated but neutral toned on the VT30. Dark suits and hair were not quite as dark as I was used to seeing them, which could be a good or bad thing depending on your room lighting. On reference grade material in a dark room, it looked a bit on the washed out side of neutral.
The D8000's presentation was a little more exciting and detailed.
Because Cinema Smooth was turned off, the D8000's pans were a little herky-jerky. The VT30's pans and motion looked good in both 60 Hz and 96 Hz modes, though 96 Hz mode is more correct for most Blu Ray material.
The D8000's flesh tones were nearly spot on at first (just a tiny bit too pink), and with a slight tweak of the red CMS adjustment I was able to get incredible flesh tones. On the other hand, the VT30's flesh tones were a little less rich and a little too bland, though they were unoffensive. If you routinely find yourself reducing color, the VT30 would be more to your liking.
I looked very closely at the letterbox bars on a 2.40:1 movie and couldn't see any floating blacks on the VT30. However, there was some subtle pumping going on above black; a slight dynamic action in the grayscale and gamma as APL changed. That's not too uncommon in plasmas, but some are more stable. The D8000 was similar.
With bright images the D8000 came away looking purer and more detailed. For instance, clouds just looked more true to life on the D8000, and some of the daylight scenes in The Dark Knight had more detail and verve.

Conclusion:

This is an excellent set, though it is hampered by non functional and not fully developed adjustments. For now, it produces a very good but somewhat unexciting image, though some firmware fixes could easily transform the VT30 into a jaw-dropping beauty.

Updates:

I've been told ControlCAL has a profile for the VT30 with a working 10 point grayscale adjustment. I will edit this post with updates when I get to test any new software or firmware.
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Downloaded firmware update 1013. Any clues as to what it addresses?
post #1582 of 5052
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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

Downloaded firmware update 1013. Any clues as to what it addresses?

I did as well, but I haven't noticed any differences from 1011 yet. It would be nice if Samsung would post release notes.
post #1583 of 5052
I hope FB

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Originally Posted by TiVoHD View Post

I did as well, but I haven't noticed any differences from 1011 yet. It would be nice if Samsung would post release notes.
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Originally Posted by TiVoHD View Post

I did as well, but I haven't noticed any differences from 1011 yet. It would be nice if Samsung would post release notes.

Has anyone found these updates on the Samsung Website. I looked in the support section under downloads, but I did not find the firmware updates. I wanted to keep copy on my PC as a "just in case" backup.
post #1585 of 5052
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Originally Posted by cdchris1 View Post

Has anyone found these updates on the Samsung Website. I looked in the support section under downloads, but I did not find the firmware updates. I wanted to keep copy on my PC as a "just in case" backup.

Nope. I don't think any of them have been posted on the website.
post #1586 of 5052
one thing i have noticed 1013 did was fix the search function on the youtube app. other than that dont notice anything else yet.
post #1587 of 5052
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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

Downloaded firmware update 1013. Any clues as to what it addresses?

I have my software upgrade set to manual (as opposed to having new firmware upgrades downloading automatically); and I checked to see if there was a new version beyond my 1011. The message I received is that there is no new version available. No mention of version 1013. Curious!
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Originally Posted by FormulaGPL View Post


I have my software upgrade set to manual (as opposed to having new firmware upgrades downloading automatically); and I checked to see if there was a new version beyond my 1011. The message I received is that there is no new version available. No mention of version 1013. Curious!

Same scenario here as well...set to manual and no new updates found. Running 1011 at this time.
post #1589 of 5052
Sounds like a controlled release so they don't kill all the sets at once in case there is something wrong with the update.
post #1590 of 5052
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Originally Posted by FormulaGPL View Post

I have my software upgrade set to manual (as opposed to having new firmware upgrades downloading automatically); and I checked to see if there was a new version beyond my 1011. The message I received is that there is no new version available. No mention of version 1013. Curious!

Which TV do you have? Maybe it's only been released for certain sizes?
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