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post #3061 of 5061
9/16/11 at 6:55am
64d8000 on way this morning for replacement of 63c8000.

we shall see what i get



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August 2011
Still letting it warm to room temperature. kinda makes me nervous that they left it without hooking it up and checking it out but oh well not really worried about samsung's support. they are rather good when units are in stock.

It does seem like the black filter is not as good as the 63c8000 but couldnt swear to it. I do see all the reflections without "looking" for them
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post #3062 of 5061
9/16/11 at 7:44am
i have been watching my replacement PN64D8000 samsung for a while now, and i have to say that after the exchange i have been nothing but pleased. no buzzing, no peeling, no dead/stuck pixels, no brightness pop-ups, no IR, no nothing.

well, that´s not completely true, since i see a bit of linebleed every now and then. but, i just have to live with that, since every plasma has that issue in some regard.

i have not done any calibrations yet, just watched with normal movie mode movies, blurays, and television programs. some of the movies and programs show black bars in top and bottom, but i have not let that worry me. the tv is made for watching and enjoying, not worrying if an occasional black bar would burn the image into the screen.

one could say that i am kinda breaking in the tv since i haven´t done any calibrations yet, but it also has something to do with the fact that i tend to be a bit - well, to be honest, lazy - sometimes. so, i thought that it might be a good idea to run the tv with normal settings for a while before i tune it up, and because calibrating (even with someone else´s numbers) is a bit of a pain in the arse (since you have to enter those numbers into every source), i thought "the hell with it, i´ll just enjoy the picture for a while as it is".

and to be honest, i have to say that the picture looks pretty awesome with it´s standard settings on the movie mode. if i remember right, the earlier tv didn´t look nearly as good with the standard settings than this one. ofcourse i cannot say for sure, since time has passed when i had the earlier set.

but, just wanted to let you know how pleased i am with this tv. i´ll keep my fingers crossed that i don´t get any problems later on, but if i do - well, that´s just life and i´ll have to deal with it when the time comes. i could not think of a better set for myself, and for my viewing needs.
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post #3063 of 5061
9/16/11 at 7:50pm
Got it 3 days ago; my first plasma. Bought from Amazon/Huppins/YRC. I was very impressed with the delivery process. TV arrived on a pallet, and the driver wanted me to see it on the pallet before taking it out of the truck. 2 Shock Watch thingys that were still white.

TV is an August build, and I have not seen a single flaw so far: no buzzing, no peeling. Still only maybe 10-15 hours on the TV. Looking forward to the weekend football games.

My previous TV was a Samsung LCD and the UNIFORM black background of this new plasma TV is beautiful. I had not watched a TV with this much ability to produce inky black backgrounds and did not realize how important the "black thing" is ... until now. It shows in many scenes, and it is such a new thing to me, that my eyes go right to it time and again. It is not as much of a change as going from SD to HD was, but it is comparable. It might not be Kuro black, but it is much closer to it than the TV I replaced.

Colors are amazing, as is picture clarity. Can't wait until I get some more hours on the set so I can calibrate it.

I'm happy with this purchase and this TV. So is my wife, and that's always a biggie.
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post #3064 of 5061
9/16/11 at 10:25pm
How does this TV handle PC d-sub input? Does it work as well as on a LCD? I like using 720p on Mac Mini as it's more readable, will it fill the entire screen with nothing cut off?

Many thanks!
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post #3065 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:23am
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Originally Posted by casso View Post

i have been watching my replacement PN64D8000 samsung for a while now, and i have to say that after the exchange i have been nothing but pleased. no buzzing, no peeling, no dead/stuck pixels, no brightness pop-ups, no IR, no nothing.

well, that´s not completely true, since i see a bit of linebleed every now and then. but, i just have to live with that, since every plasma has that issue in some regard.

i have not done any calibrations yet, just watched with normal movie mode movies, blurays, and television programs. some of the movies and programs show black bars in top and bottom, but i have not let that worry me. the tv is made for watching and enjoying, not worrying if an occasional black bar would burn the image into the screen.

one could say that i am kinda breaking in the tv since i haven´t done any calibrations yet, but it also has something to do with the fact that i tend to be a bit - well, to be honest, lazy - sometimes. so, i thought that it might be a good idea to run the tv with normal settings for a while before i tune it up, and because calibrating (even with someone else´s numbers) is a bit of a pain in the arse (since you have to enter those numbers into every source), i thought "the hell with it, i´ll just enjoy the picture for a while as it is".

and to be honest, i have to say that the picture looks pretty awesome with it´s standard settings on the movie mode. if i remember right, the earlier tv didn´t look nearly as good with the standard settings than this one. ofcourse i cannot say for sure, since time has passed when i had the earlier set.

but, just wanted to let you know how pleased i am with this tv. i´ll keep my fingers crossed that i don´t get any problems later on, but if i do - well, that´s just life and i´ll have to deal with it when the time comes. i could not think of a better set for myself, and for my viewing needs.

what firmware did your tv come with?
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post #3066 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:28am

(click to watch video)

You can hear the buzzing...Is this normal?

This is from 11ft away...I was wrong with my earlier guess of 8ft
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post #3067 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:29am
Here is my peeling, it hasn't gotten worse since I pushed it against the TV...other than the 2 bubbles and small peel up top.

I measured my original peel based on the spots my finger left behind and it was 8" x 1.5"

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post #3068 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:29am
Well just been to local TV supplier to see if there display 64D8000 made the same noise as mine, it was silent, put my ear right against the metal on the back & couldn't hear a single buzz so mine must be faulty. Hopefully I'll get my replacement ASAP as mine goes back on Monday, will have to live with my little 32 inch from the bedroom until my replacement comes.
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post #3069 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:32am
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You can hear the buzzing...Is this normal?

This is from 11ft away...I was wrong with my earlier guess of 8ft

Mines going back on Monday for the buzzing, went to the another local store to see if there's made the buzzing noise & i couldn't hear anything from the back, so mine must be faulty.
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post #3070 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Hope you have no further issues and just enjoy the great pic. Especially when you start to upgrade your components and can take advantage of the better connectors and the better resolution and audio choices that gives you. I really recommend investing a bit audio-wise and get yourself a nice AVR to do all your connecting of sources to your tv as well as power a decent 5.1 speaker setup (in a small to mid size room even a lower end speaker system like the Energy Take 5 can totally change your viewing experience).


Thanks, so far so good.

Wife did complaint that the thing puts out a lot of heat. Is this something that calibration can help remedy or plasma's just put out good amount of heat normally?

i'm new to the lingo soooo... what's AVR?


I'm going to go and get a blue-ray player today...looking at the bd-d6500 Samsung to match. Best movie to watch on Blue-ray when you get a new big screen? recommendations any one?


I'm also looking at getting a TIVO premiere...anybody use one with HD connection and TV card? how is that experience working out?
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post #3071 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by fausto412 View Post

Thanks, so far so good.

Wife did complaint that the thing puts out a lot of heat. Is this something that calibration can help remedy or plasma's just put out good amount of heat normally?

i'm new to the lingo soooo... what's AVR?


I'm going to go and get a blue-ray player today...looking at the bd-d6500 Samsung to match. Best movie to watch on Blue-ray when you get a new big screen? recommendations any one?


I'm also looking at getting a TIVO premiere...anybody use one with HD connection and TV card? how is that experience working out?

Audio Video Receiver
i.e. http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Page...b-a39c23290d98

Also no "e" in Blu-Ray
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post #3072 of 5061
9/17/11 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by fausto412 View Post

Thanks, so far so good.

Wife did complaint that the thing puts out a lot of heat. Is this something that calibration can help remedy or plasma's just put out good amount of heat normally?

i'm new to the lingo soooo... what's AVR?


I'm going to go and get a blue-ray player today...looking at the bd-d6500 Samsung to match. Best movie to watch on Blue-ray when you get a new big screen? recommendations any one?


I'm also looking at getting a TIVO premiere...anybody use one with HD connection and TV card? how is that experience working out?

unless you watching constantly in torch mode now...a properly calibrated panel will probably use more watts then a default setting. More watts more heat. It will come in handy in the winter.
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post #3073 of 5061
9/17/11 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by fausto412 View Post

Thanks, so far so good.

Wife did complaint that the thing puts out a lot of heat. Is this something that calibration can help remedy or plasma's just put out good amount of heat normally?

i'm new to the lingo soooo... what's AVR?


I'm going to go and get a blue-ray player today...looking at the bd-d6500 Samsung to match. Best movie to watch on Blue-ray when you get a new big screen? recommendations any one?


I'm also looking at getting a TIVO premiere...anybody use one with HD connection and TV card? how is that experience working out?

My plasma runs warm but not too bad compared to some other types of sets I've had. In the winter it's not going to compete with the heater or fireplace....

Yes, like Larry M said, but if that Denon is out of your price range you can get much more reasonably priced models and still get good quality and tons of features (be sure to shop for HDMI 1.4 compliant setup so you can connect 3D sources. Put out a budget for the AVR/speakers and am sure you'll get plenty of suggestions. I have a low end 7.1 setup in my living room for my D8000. For BluRay I use a PS3.

Don't remember the first movie I watched when I got my D8000 but Avatar was among the first, pretty nice visuals altho sound to me is just as important so I kinda pick 'em with that in mind, too. I watched Apocalypto the other night for the first time on my D8000 and that looked better than on the two other sets I've watched it on. For 3D I like Tron:Legacy and several of the animated/CGI offerings (did you get a Samsung 3D starter kit?).

Can't help you with Tivo, never had that, have DirecTV and their own DVR.
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post #3074 of 5061
9/17/11 at 7:40pm
Hello, I just received my PN64D8000 today after buying from Best Buy last week... TV is an August build and so far so good. No bubbles on screen and no noticeable buzzing at this point. I've read through this thread and all of the calibration thread, and I have to agree out of the box the picture quality is a bit rough. I know the break in isn't a neccessity, but I have already started running slides to put my mind at ease. I can deal with a week of low contrast and brightness, at least I hope I can! I'm already itching to try out the calibration #'s online, I will just rush through the 100 hours as quickly as possible.

Thanks to all for the great information on the site, it definitely assisted me in the decision to go with this set over the 65VT30 (only $100 more at BB nowadays)... The VT30 looked great, but I hated the piano black look of that set.

I am impressed at how cool the set runs, I've had it on for 8 hours and its barely warm on the back. I replaced a Samsung 50" plasma, 5 yrs old, HPS5053 and that thing felt like an oven after a couple of hours..... got to love new technology!
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post #3075 of 5061
9/18/11 at 11:25am
My plasma is a little over 1 1/2 months old( with over 100+ hours of viewing) and is experiencing IR problems which I hope will not be permanent. During the past 3 weeks, my wife has been using the P90X dvd's and it has a static logo/timing bar on the bottom of the screen. I've been reading about how today's plasmas have virtually non-existent burn-in and IR, so I didn't worry too much about it with my TV since the dvd is viewed for only 1-1.5 hours per day instead of hours on end of viewing. But recently, I noticed the "P90X" logo and timing bar when watching regular DTV programming. It's noticeable on certain colors so I ran the scrolling feature and after 2 hours it is still there. Is this permanent burn-in or just a lengthy IR and it will eventually go away? Are there any other options to help remove the IR more efficiently than the scrolling feature?

Thanks in advance.
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post #3076 of 5061
9/18/11 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by DeeL2003 View Post
My plasma is a little over 1 1/2 months old( with over 100+ hours of viewing) and is experiencing IR problems which I hope will not be permanent. During the past 3 weeks, my wife has been using the P90X dvd's and it has a static logo/timing bar on the bottom of the screen. I've been reading about how today's plasmas have virtually non-existent burn-in and IR, so I didn't worry too much about it with my TV since the dvd is viewed for only 1-1.5 hours per day instead of hours on end of viewing. But recently, I noticed the "P90X" logo and timing bar when watching regular DTV programming. It's noticeable on certain colors so I ran the scrolling feature and after 2 hours it is still there. Is this permanent burn-in or just a lengthy IR and it will eventually go away? Are there any other options to help remove the IR more efficiently than the scrolling feature?

Thanks in advance.
Can't help you with the IR, have not had that experience. Just looked up what a P90x dvd is...guess you can't eliminate the logo and timing bar or convince your wife that's a crap product to begin with?
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post #3077 of 5061
9/18/11 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by DeeL2003 View Post
My plasma is a little over 1 1/2 months old( with over 100+ hours of viewing) and is experiencing IR problems which I hope will not be permanent. During the past 3 weeks, my wife has been using the P90X dvd's and it has a static logo/timing bar on the bottom of the screen. I've been reading about how today's plasmas have virtually non-existent burn-in and IR, so I didn't worry too much about it with my TV since the dvd is viewed for only 1-1.5 hours per day instead of hours on end of viewing. But recently, I noticed the "P90X" logo and timing bar when watching regular DTV programming. It's noticeable on certain colors so I ran the scrolling feature and after 2 hours it is still there. Is this permanent burn-in or just a lengthy IR and it will eventually go away? Are there any other options to help remove the IR more efficiently than the scrolling feature?

Thanks in advance.
Tough choice, eh? Between a flaw in your TV and a wife with a beach body.

If you go with the TV, at least don't run the p90x until the IR is gone.

Has anybody found out how long the scrolling IR fix needs to run on average, or do you just run it until problem is solved?

EDIT: Did you run the break-in disc early on?
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post #3078 of 5061
9/18/11 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post
Can't help you with the IR, have not had that experience. Just looked up what a P90x dvd is...guess you can't eliminate the logo and timing bar or convince your wife that's a crap product to begin with?

Yeah I wish the DVD had that option. I found out it was filmed over 5 years ago. P90X is actually not that bad, it works. But I convinced her to use the old DLP upstairs. =)


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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post
Tough choice, eh? Between a flaw in your TV and a wife with a beach body.

If you go with the TV, at least don't run the p90x until the IR is gone.

Has anybody found out how long the scrolling IR fix needs to run on average, or do you just run it until problem is solved?

EDIT: Did you run the break-in disc early on?
Do you think it will eventually go away and there is no such thing as burn-in anymore? I'm surprised I did not get IR with the side bars.

I did not run the break-in disc. What is it by the way? Sorry I'm a plasma newbie.
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post #3079 of 5061
9/18/11 at 1:05pm
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what firmware did your tv come with?
it was 1013 and today the tv informed that firmware 1015 was ready to be uploaded and installed.
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post #3080 of 5061
9/18/11 at 2:18pm
I apologize if the topic has been discussed in this thread already, or frankly, if it is a stupid question.

I'm getting the PN59D8000FF in two weeks and it's going on top of the fireplace. The HDMI cable(s) will be run in and out of my wall, on the outside of the house to reach it. I'm also getting a Denon AVR-2312C receiver and an OPPO BPD-93 Blu-Ray player. The installer is proposing to run a single HDMI cable from the Denon to the TV, so the OPPO, the Motorola DCX3400 cable box and the WII (using an HDMI adapter) will not have their own HDMI connection, but will be run through the receiver HDMI output to the TV.

My question is it: I believe because there would be a single HDMI output to the TV, I can't adjust the picture settings individually on the TV to each source, but I would have to do with a one-size-fits-all, which actually would fit none too precisely.

Do I need to run an HDMI cable for each source so I can make individual adjustments? Is there a way to adjust them individually from a single HDMI source?
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post #3081 of 5061
9/18/11 at 3:07pm
Not sure what you mean when you say precise, but if you mean full cms calibration precise, then you only have one source, the OPPO, that can deliver calibration material.
Fortunately, it's the only one that matters, since there are no standards for your other sources.
Also, Unless you run HDMI Through your Receiver You will not get High definition audio.
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post #3082 of 5061
9/18/11 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post

Not sure what you mean when you say precise, but if you mean full cms calibration precise, then you only have one source, the OPPO, that can deliver calibration material.
Fortunately, it's the only one that matters, since there are no standards for your other sources.
Also, Unless you run HDMI Through your Receiver You will not get High definition audio.


Where is the data that supports your statement that "you only have one source, the OPPO, that can deliver calibration material"? Link?

Larry
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post #3083 of 5061
9/18/11 at 4:29pm
I meant, I want to be able to adjsut picture setting individually for each source. I know that what looks good for a WII looks horrendous for Blu-Ray playing, and HD cable is also different. I want to be able to tweak the settings for every video source. That was my question.
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post #3084 of 5061
9/18/11 at 4:40pm
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I meant, I want to be able to adjsut picture setting individually for each source. I know that what looks good for a WII looks horrendous for Blu-Ray playing, and HD cable is also different. I want to be able to tweak the settings for every video source. That was my question.


Activate the CAL Day and Night modes. That will give you two more picture modes that can be fully calibrated. The instructions to do this are in the Samsung D7000 & D8000 Settings/Calibration Thread.

Larry
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post #3085 of 5061
9/18/11 at 5:50pm
Thanks. Once I get the TV I'll familiarize myself with those settings.

So, one HDMI cable should allow me to set three different video settings. Good. Those cables get expensive.
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post #3086 of 5061
9/18/11 at 10:26pm
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Where is the data that supports your statement that "you only have one source, the OPPO, that can deliver calibration material"? Link?

Larry

I meant, as I stated, that if he is looking to do precise calibration for each source, then he only has one source for which calibration patterns exist- his OPPO bluray player, and there are a number of reference patterns that a BR player can run, and software products that can measure and allow the TV's cms to be adjusted to match fairly closely.

Perhaps I should have said "to my knowledge" since to my knowledge there is nothing that provides reference level calibration material through the wii or cable box.

That is reference.

It's pretty clear that he is going to go by how he likes it: preference. He will learn soon enough of the wide variability in broadcast/satellite/cable TV from the various networks, etc.
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post #3087 of 5061
9/19/11 at 3:27am
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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post

Tough choice, eh? Between a flaw in your TV and a wife with a beach body.

If you go with the TV, at least don't run the p90x until the IR is gone.

Has anybody found out how long the scrolling IR fix needs to run on average, or do you just run it until problem is solved?

EDIT: Did you run the break-in disc early on?

i believe the scrolling bar is to be run for at LEAST an hour. that was in a samsung plasma manual from last years pn63c8000.
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post #3088 of 5061
9/19/11 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by kjgarrison View Post
I meant, as I stated, that if he is looking to do precise calibration for each source, then he only has one source for which calibration patterns exist- his OPPO bluray player, and there are a number of reference patterns that a BR player can run, and software products that can measure and allow the TV's cms to be adjusted to match fairly closely.

Perhaps I should have said "to my knowledge" since to my knowledge there is nothing that provides reference level calibration material through the wii or cable box.

That is reference.

It's pretty clear that he is going to go by how he likes it: preference. He will learn soon enough of the wide variability in broadcast/satellite/cable TV from the various networks, etc.
I actually intent for an ISF type calibration to happen after the first 200 hours are gone by. I just didn't want the installing to happen and to hear that I should have a couple more HDMI cables in place so I can eyeball the WII and the cable to my taste. But I like my movies to be calibration-perfect. But as I said, I know the WII setting are torch-bright compared to a well-calibrated movie set-up, or even the Comcast feed.
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post #3089 of 5061
9/19/11 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by eldorado01 View Post

I apologize if the topic has been discussed in this thread already, or frankly, if it is a stupid question.

I'm getting the PN59D8000FF in two weeks and it's going on top of the fireplace. The HDMI cable(s) will be run in and out of my wall, on the outside of the house to reach it. I'm also getting a Denon AVR-2312C receiver and an OPPO BPD-93 Blu-Ray player. The installer is proposing to run a single HDMI cable from the Denon to the TV, so the OPPO, the Motorola DCX3400 cable box and the WII (using an HDMI adapter) will not have their own HDMI connection, but will be run through the receiver HDMI output to the TV.

My question is it: I believe because there would be a single HDMI output to the TV, I can't adjust the picture settings individually on the TV to each source, but I would have to do with a one-size-fits-all, which actually would fit none too precisely.

Do I need to run an HDMI cable for each source so I can make individual adjustments? Is there a way to adjust them individually from a single HDMI source?

I'm not sure if this helps but I use 2 hdmi inputs to the TV. One direct from PS3 (blu and 3D) and one from avr for everything else. The PS3 is for movies only and has one calibration to it. The AVR has other settings for cable TV.
And no I rarely play PS3 games and have no game settings. Also once in 3D mode you can have separate settings again.

Good luck
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post #3090 of 5061
9/19/11 at 7:30pm
I'm about 50 hours into Break In with contrast and brightness set at about 50% of normal.... Picture is a bit dim/annoying, but I am suffering through it. I ran into my first real annoyance tonight that I know I've read about somewhere else in the forum, the fluctuating / floating blacks.

I was watching an HD TV show through DirecTV DVR, and the blacks were going crazy from light to dim when cameras changed. Should this be less noticeable once I calibrate the settings properly? Or is there a Setting I should change to get rid of it now?

I can deal with the dim, but these changes in light make me a little naucious! Thanks in advance for any helpful feedback... Sorry if this has been addressed, I've read so much on this forum over the past couple of weeks it's a bit of a blur!

-Jason
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