Official Samsung 2011 PNxxD8000 Thread [No Price Talk] - Page 119

July may still have been a month with the AR filter peel.

Where on the screen would I notice if this start to happen? I would assume it starts in one of the corners right?

Generally, yes. Check it off, flashlight would probably help.

Going back to buzz's calibration. I wonder if Cell reduction has an effect on the gamma shifts or floating blacks?

I need to experiment more with Cell, but so far I have found Contrast and Brightness to have the biggest impact. I have "cured" a few pops by keeping contrast no higher than 92. 93+ will cause issues on these scenes with the same brightness (55) and Cell (15-20). I also cured a couple by lowering Brightness to 52 even though technically this is too low (probably doesn't hurt on content). Unfortunately, this doesn't work for many brightness pops and fluctuations. I might try dropping cell down to something like 10 while keeping contrast closer to 90 as I view mostly in a dark room anyway.

So long as I am around 30 fl, I am fine. Can anyway give me some rough estimates on what it would take to achieve that? If I ended up keeping the set, I would get it ISF'd for sure which could alter things. Just trying to get a gauge in the meantime while I make my decision as I have 27 days to decide.

I agree, that simply using a 90 contrast, vs 95, does help.

When you're doing grayscale, do you find much difference between the two numbers?

Calibrating to one, and then adjusting will have some affect. As far as calibrating with either, nope.

Are there any resolution differences between Screen Fit and 16:9 mode? I haven't looked at these on a resolution test pattern yet.

So, I'm in the boat that I was going to purchase the P59D8000. But, now I'm not so sure. After reading through this thread and others it seems the upper end 2011 plasmas are nothing but trouble. I went to the standard review sites and these plasmas have been reviewed very well. How did they not have the pops and peels? The problems don't seem like they are only happening to those who bought earlier in the year. It seems to be somewhat consistent throughout the year. I've also read plenty of posts where people have had no problems at all and think the display is wonderful.

I currently have a an older FT-P5084. It's been good to me. But I want to upgrade and move this tube to another room.

I'm inclined to just pull the trigger and order one. I'm just somewhat fearful that I might be in for a headache later. And, this is no cheap potential headache.

So are the problems 50/50 and I should just roll the dice, or should I hold off?

Go ahead and buy one; However, make sure you buy from somewhere you can return/exchange the unit easily and without fuss (can you say Amazon?). Also, I'd strongly suggest the Samsung extended warranty along with using your AMEX card (if you have one) for the longest warranty possible.

There is nothing that will match the picture quality so just protect yourself in case you get one that has a problem (buzzing, peeling, fluctuating brightness -seem to be the key issues now).

Thank you Mazuna for bringing this up. I have the same apprehensions.

Would you guys say those that are having problems are in the minority and most owners have perfectly working sets? I have read about people doing multiple exchanges and having the same issues.

I really need to stay off these forums lol!!

Yes. For 1080 sources use screen fit only.

I have had 5 different D8000s in 59" and 64" sizes. All of them were of different build months from May through September. All of them had FBr and loud buzzing. I never noticed them peeling, though. Even the early ones.

I have returned the last D8000 and am going to wait until I hear of fewer people noticing the issue or if Panasonic releases a color decoding firmware fix for the VT30.

I do not like the motion blur of any LCD set and the off axis viewing of LCD of some LCD sets really wouldn't work in my room.

Plasma is to me the most natural and realistic picture anyway.

So, the choice for me was between LG, Panny and Sammy plasmas.

The Panny's had a major issue with black level increases back when I bought my C8000 and LG didn't make a big enough set.

I think any brand will have problems and I personally think the QC problems are common among every product we buy today (not just TVs or plasma TVs) because of the Mexico and China sourcing of components. The QC is just not up to snuff compared to products coming from Japan for instance. However, the price of these sets is tremendously low compared to what it was just a few years ago.

Wow. How is this not a huge issue to Samsung and how, like mentioned before, are the people reviewing these seta not having these issues?

Maybe it's a huge bad batch? Maybe they changed parts suppliers?

Doesn't make sense for someone to have 5 bad ones in a row. Why aren't people returning these in droves? I just don't get it.

I can add channels manually on my 4 year old Samsung after the initial OTA scan. This is convenient because there are stations all around & some get missed during the initial scan. The missed channels can then be added after the initial scan when the antenna is turned towards those alternate stations (without erasing what has already been scanned) You simply enter the real RF channel number into the remote & the tuner will them map that channel into the memory with the appropriate virtual channel number.

Does the PN64D8000 allow this?

Thanks in advance for any assistance!!

I know of several people who have returned them. Personally, I think all of the 59 and 64" models have fb. However, a lot of people watch TV in a brightened room and the issue is much harder to see that way. If you watch in a dark environment, the issue is very obvious on those two sizes.

Interestingly enough, my 64D8000 has no buzzing at all.

wouldnt D-Nice and Katzmier have noticed it then? i watch with low light most of the time so if it is a issue with all of them im pretty disappointed.

im replacing a 85U series Panasonic that i still like, just too small. I really want to get the Samsung over the GT30 Panny for its accurate color, but i dont want to deal with any fluctuations. that would just ruin it.

I've had my 59D8000 for a couple of weeks now and have not noticed any of the fb you and others have posted about. My room is dark. Mine does buzz -- Most noticeable 8 feet and closer.

Maybe my ears are better than my eyes.

i was reading some more and it seems that the FB issue is from HDMI sources? is that true?

if true, i was wondering if it happens with both directly hooked up HDMI sources and HDMI though a AVR or just one of those types of connections.

Personally I think you're way overreaching and overgeneralizing. FWIW I watch my PN59D8000 in a dark environment and mostly movies. No fluctuatiing brightnes (sorry, fb for you pro spotters). Using calibrated settings, sort of an average of a few different ones posted...maybe someday I'll have a pro come over and see if he can improve but it's pretty darn awesome now).

You're not seeing it. And that is a blessing!

Also, what are your contrast, brightness, and cell light at?

I have no pops or brightness issues either...

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Currently watch primarily in movie mode, which I've "calibrated" as mentioned, based on a few different posted calibrations. Only other I use for US football on occasion is relax mode.

All extra stuff turned off, using movie, warm 2, cell light varies from 14-18 mostly, contrast 85, brightness 53, sharpness 5, color 50 tint G50R50, film mode auto 1, plus various custom advanced settings...which I'm too lazy right now to detail.

For my PN51D8000, Cell 14 and Contrast 95 come in close to 30 fl

Honestly, the only time I have fbr issues is when I engage cinema smooth. Every other time, even with the lights out completely, I can't see it happening. I thought I saw a hint of it while watching avatar 3d, but couldn't get it to repeat.

Btw, I'm using tivohd's settings from the cal thread.

On mine, 13 and 95 = 35fL

What is your pattern source?


Yours is Accupel 5000 I assume?

Where or how do you get the Samsung extended warranty if buying from Amazon? Do I buy this directly from Samsung? Never done this before. In the past I've always purchased from the big box stores.