Official Samsung 2011 PNxxD8000 Thread [No Price Talk] - Page 158

Well the panel I had replaced came without any boards attached other than 2 small cards on the sides that connect to the display and allow the other main boards to hook in.

I suppose the others may have removed before it got to me but I can’t imagine why they would do that.

Either way I think we can all agree a panel replacement is basically the entire TV let’s just leave it at that.

and your set is permanently ruined by burn in? what model number?

just stupid viewing habits, i guess. i did run break-in slides for a bit when i first got the system, and figured that i should be safe. when i first got the tv, i'd just leave espn on in the background. occasionally i'd fall asleep with the tv on also. my fault, but again, with new tvs, one really shouldn't have to babysit them and handle with kid-gloves to prevent bs like this .

If you like to leave ESPN on in the background for what ever reason, then it might be a good idea to look into LCD displays.

what? in my opinion he is absolutely right when he says "one really shouldn't have to babysit them and handle with kid-gloves to prevent bs like this"

my 63c8000 had burn from espn. It wasnt so bad that I couldnt watch tv but if I looked down at where the logo was and the bottom line it was there on any light scene. I had banding issues with a couple of the 63c sets and finally replaced with a d8000. I have been a little careful with the 64d because of this. After a few hundred hours I'll quit worrying about it and leave espn on all the time like the rest of my sets without worrying. My first plasma from 2006 a panny is left on espn 80% of the time and no burn in at all.

The reality is that channels like ESPN will cause burn-in if a plasma display is left there for extended periods of time. People may not like it, but that's the nature of plasma even though it's become more resistant to burn-in the last few years. My plasma is over four years old, I watch ESPN for specific programs, and I don't have burn-in.

Running a fixed image heavy source as background filler will cause plasma burn-in. The solution is LCD technology where temporary image retention is as bad as it gets, or watch a mixture of source materials and enjoy plasma without burn-in. Take your choice. I picked plasma.

so you're saying permanent burn in still exists in all modern plasmas, and any 2011, 2012 plasma set can be permanently damaged by just leaving ESPN on ?

Mine is a 59D8000. The burn is minor, others haven't noticed it yet, but I see it I see CNN Live and the ESPN ticker on white scenes. So know I babysit the set to help prevent it getting worse. Ive run the scroll for 5-10 hours through tout weeks, and I don't think it is improving the problem at all.

It seems that some panels are still prone to it but my guess is they're still in the minority or there'd be more complaints. Seems there are as many or even more complaints about other issues with the D8000 plasmas, in this thread for example I think peeling and buzzing outstrip IR but then I never counted. I watch a wide variety of material, but prefer to watch a movie without some sort of advert/logo on my screen at all times. I watch very little ESPN more because of lack of interesting content that the static display....otherwise some content will inevitably have some static content, or side bars, or top/bottom bars. Does seem the plasmas are capable of not having issues (my set is trouble-free) but that quality control to weed out the problems isn't as high a priority as it should be with the manufacturers.

Yes if that's all the plasma is exposed to.

There are people who post about their burn-in free plasma displays even though the displays are left with fixed images (ESPN is just one example) for extreme amounts of time. Other people report what they think is burn-in almost right out of the box. I can only report what I have read here at AVS, and what I've experienced with the one plasma display I've owned.

With safe sources for the first few hundred hours, followed by a mix of source types, it's possible to enjoy a plasma for over four years (in my case) without image retention or burn-in. That includes sources like ESPN, black bars of all types and over bright high contrast logos. Constantly mixing the types of source material we watch gives the plasma screen a better chance to age evenly. After the first 500 hours it became clear to me that our normal habits provided enough of a mixture of sources to be safe from burn-in so we don't keep track of black bars, logos, or ESPN.

Anyone who's major source of entertainment comes from ESPN or other ticker tape channels (stocks or news for example) can remove the risk of burn-in by switching to LCD technology. Or, if they never watch anything but ESPN, then they might not care if there is burn-in.

Plasma displays are based on phosphor which is consumed with use. Burn-in refers to the aging of the phosphor (depletion) in one part of the screen more rapidly than in other parts of the screen. Newer phosphor based plasma's are resistant to burn-in but they are not immune.

EDIT: Phosphors burn off rate is fastest when a display is new, so that's the highest risk period for a plasma display.

Not really, IMO. Only in terms of the cost of such a repair (if you require it out of warranty). It appears that some of the main board settings are specific to your panel, so if you're unlucky (like me, when my main board was replaced) you can end up with totally screwed up white balance settings in Movie mode (which was very accurate before the repair). What I ended up with was actually far worse that what I originally purchased, and I suspect there must be a chance of that happening with a panel replacement as well. Thankfully, there is a fix for this if you own a colorimeter and know how to calibrate with it.

Judging by other reports here and elsewhere, I think what Larry has posted is the most common way the panel is replaced. We know that at least some of the panel driving circuitry (e.g., logic board) is specific to the panel type (as zoyd discovered with his hack of the FBr fix, two different types of panels were used throughout the D series). This may be why they just bundle all of that stuff with the new panel (probably a faster, more reliable repair as well).

Hello. So I have purchased a Samsung PN59D8000 and its scheduled to arrive tomorrow, with one of the Samsung 3D starter kits coming sometime this week. I am a little unsure of how to begin using it. It seems a lot of the stuff I like to do or watch are not recommended: watching DVDs that are 4x3. When I play on my PS3, I often use PS2/PS1 games, which are also in 4x3 with the black bars on the edge.

People say to simply switch to full screen, but that would ruin the aspect ratio (some of the DVDs I have a specifically purchased for retaining the aspect ratio), so what can I do about this? I know there is a grey side bar option... does that really help?

Also when I first buy it, should I not play games like COD, since they usually have static images during gameplay? (like the HUD display, stats, etc).
And also, what about news channels? I watch the news a LOT, and they often have the ticker on the bottom.. anything I can do?

Thanks in advance. I ask this because I spent a lot on this baby and if anything happens like burn-in I have a bad feeling Samsung won't do squat about it.

Sounds like maybe a plasma wasn't such a good idea given your viewing preferences. Still if you run a lot of full screen hidef content such as HBO and ron a lot if scrolling when you're not watching during the first 200 or so hours you should be OK and still be able to enjoy this amazing TV for what it does best -

I bought it because it has received a lot of great reviews last year, and I want the best picture for my blu-ray view of films like the godfather
I'll try to keep it to full screen viewings during the "Break in" period, however long that is, but I can't imagine it being that bad to watch 3x4.. I mean it's still a common format (not nearly as much as modern movies).

Yep, I agree. Letter/pillarboxed stuff is fine, just make sure you mix in plenty of full screen sources as well (I've never even used the sweep, but don't watch anything with crawls or strong logos like ESPN). Right out of the box, my set had zero IR even after many consecutive hours of letterboxed blurays. Caution in the first few weeks is of course advisable since some people still report serious IR problems.

Thanks, that sets my mind at ease. Some thing you just can't put into fullscreen without making the image weird... turning circles into ovals, etc.

So are there any things I should know about setting up the system? I figured I'd turn down the contrast ratio for a bit. I have an HDMI 1.3 high speed which I believe with my PS3 will be able to use 3D.

Should we be applying the new 1026 f/w upgrade if we have already upgraded to 1024.8? If we do will it affect the results we got from the 1024.8? That upgrade took care of my f /br and I dont want it to return. Will future upgrades affect positive results and therfore always declining upgrades the way to go?

Howdy all,

I got a hell of a deal on a display model 59d8000 (i know i know) but hell, I couldn't pass it up. I do have an issue though. I can't get it out of display mode. Plug and Play is greyed out for me so any settings I change revert back after powering off the tv. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance...

Select an inactive input,then than you can access the plug and play options.

Thank you Poop...I ended up resetting the set and things worked out fine. Thanks again...

I can hear a very loud buzzing when I sit directly in front of the panel, when about 8 feet away. It becomes almost non existent when I sit off to the side. I just received the TV a little while ago. What do I do? I've never seen another one of these TVs so I don't know if its normal.. but I doubt this buzzing is normal its way to loud at volume 15.

The buzzing is somewhat common in plasmas. Some people have it worse than others. I have a PN50C550 that has a faint buzz, not really noticeable unless you are standing right in front of the panel. My D8000 arrived today so I am worried about whether the buzzing will be a problem on that set.

Yours may need to be exchanged but first try to reduce the brightness to see if it gets better. Others have said that it got better over time.

If someone told you they considered it normal would you tolerate it? Personally, I'd return it as a deal breaker (my 59D8000 is silent, though), hopefully you bought under conditions that enable you to do so easily...

I always knew plasmas emit some sort of low buzzing, but never figured it would be so loud even when 8 feet away. I read the rule of thumb is if you can hear it at volume 15 when 6-8 feet away it might be defective. I purchased from an amazon seller, whose policy is returning like-new for full price minus shipping. Of course I'd argue that its defective because I'd want them to pay for my return shipping, as well as the 167$ shipping it cost to send it here. It's a real bummer I like the picture. But I turned the contrast ratio to 70 but the sound level was the same (buzz sound).

That's where buying from Best Buy, while they're still around, makes buying something like a tv a bit better even if the price is a bit higher...much less hassle for returns. I had to return an LCD set which was my first choice, but decided the issues with that were better addressed by plasma and I couldn't be happier. The good ones are out there, but seems somewhat of a crap shoot sometimes to get one.

Well I'm convinced its defective. There must be something amiss from the screen panel. I can't see anyone hearing how loud the buzz is and telling me with a straight face that its normal and people just ignore it. I want to call samsung tomorrow and maybe see if they can check it or something, although I don't know what they would do. It has the manufacture warranty, so that's why I'm going to try with them first before I attempt to get it either replaced or refunded from Amazon seller Electronics Expo (I would argue its defective so I'd get refunded for the outrageous shipping)

Try the manufacturer. You might get lucky with a replacement. In some cases, very loud buzzing it from the power supply. In that case, it's an easy fix. If it's the panel that's too loud, a repair would require replacing the panal That's as expensive as a new display.

You won't be dealing with Amazon. The Electronic Expo exchange policy is what you have to deal with. I always buy directly from Amazon, or local with a good return policy.

I'll definitely give Samsung a call. The PN59d8000 was brand new and I believe it has a 1 year parts and repair warranty. Hopefully its something like a power supply issue.. if its a panel issue I'd assume the warranty would cover it.

Worst case scenario, if they don't think there's anything wrong I'd have to return it to Electronics Expo, which would result in not only losing $167 from the shipping, but not counting the price to ship it back to them. If I say its defective and send it back, and they somehow deem its not, I think they slap you with a 20% restocking fee... sigh, this is way to stressful

Quick question guys , I'm about to pull the trigger on a PN64D8000 , tired of waffling between it and the VT30. I would like to know what 3D glasses are the best to order along with it , and whats a good wall mount for a good price , preferably not one that keeps the tv too far off the wall , but doesnt have to be 1/2" either.