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post #61 of 306
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post
DSLRs like the GH2 will kill any of these guys in low light when equipped with the right lens.
However, I find the good light video of the 700/900 superior in terms of freedom from artifacts.

But man oh man, the problems I'm having with this damn 900!
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Originally Posted by djandrea View Post
the sony a33 (SLR) with large CMOS sensor is worse than cx560ve

I was thinking of the Canon 7D but it's very limited in terms of frame rate. 1080i is old news and the Canon XF100 is out of budget and requires expensive CF cards and at 50Mbps it eats a lot of them. It probably could burn to Blu-ray disc tho.
Low light looks good on that series but in bright light the Panny is better.
post #62 of 306
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post
Oh I believe you, that's what worries me. That room was pretty dark. But running out of options and no way to test the TM900 until UPS delivers it. We are always their last stop.

Maybe a DSLR is an option? I'll have to look into it but always having to manually adjust it isn't what I'm after. I really don't want a lot or any DOF shots.
Hi Steve, I've been reading your posts of late here and there and it seems that maybe? your needs exceed what you have currently have been shopping for? Just a thought, but how about a higher end camcorder that is (used)? forget about AVCDV, interlaced and progressive. The used market for Canon, Sony and Panasonic's is huge and for a smidgen in size difference, I think you will find what your looking for at reasonable price. The consumer grade Cam's that you and Ken have been talking about really will not give you all of what your asking for. IMHO, after reading (all) of your posts and others the knew Cam's seem to not meet your needs? that the trade off for (size versus quality)? Remember I mentioned in another forum that I just sold my DSR PD170, it was 8 years old and not once did I ever have a problem from it. I had over 6000 hr's on the drum alone. And I bought it brand new for $2,950.00 from Abes of Main back in 2002 And My buddy did all of up-rezing and post processing with Red Giant software and Final Cut Studio, and I got to tell you, its smokes anything out there that I have seen in the $3500.00 range for the New Cam's that are available now. Just maybe you might want to consider this as another alternative? Just my thoughts on your frustration in returning a Sony CX 700v and now hearing about the problems and short comings of the New Pana 900 TM. BTW the CX 560 same internals as the cx 700v, produced excellent quality upon play back on my Sony HD TV, You might have had a bad copy of the cx 700v? but I'm buying the 560 for my wife just because of the fantastic colors and sharpness it gave in especially (Bright light) and low light. Maybe you should just use the Panasonic 900 TM for your wedding shoot then return it for a full refund and then shop around for a high quality (used) Pro Cam. But IMHO something has got to give and its either slightly (bigger size Cam or slightly (smaller size Cam) and less quality and function.

purplestinger
post #63 of 306
Just got my (new) 900... Wonder if I should open it or not...
post #64 of 306
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Originally Posted by purplestinger View Post
Hi Steve, I've been reading your posts of late here and there and it seems that maybe? your needs exceed what you have currently have been shopping for? Just a thought, but how about a higher end camcorder that is (used)? forget about AVCDV, interlaced and progressive. The used market for Canon, Sony and Panasonic's is huge and for a smidgen in size difference, I think you will find what your looking for at reasonable price. The consumer grade Cam's that you and Ken have been talking about really will not give you all of what your asking for. IMHO, after reading (all) of your posts and others the knew Cam's seem to not meet your needs? that the trade off for (size versus quality)? Remember I mentioned in another forum that I just sold my DSR PD170, it was 8 years old and not once did I ever have a problem from it. I had over 6000 hr's on the drum alone. And I bought it brand new for $2,950.00 from Abes of Main back in 2002 And My buddy did all of up-rezing and post processing with Red Giant software and Final Cut Studio, and I got to tell you, its smokes anything out there that I have seen in the $3500.00 range for the New Cam's that are available now. Just maybe you might want to consider this as another alternative? Just my thoughts on your frustration in returning a Sony CX 700v and now hearing about the problems and short comings of the New Pana 900 TM. BTW the CX 560 same internals as the cx 700v, produced excellent quality upon play back on my Sony HD TV, You might have had a bad copy of the cx 700v? but I'm buying the 560 for my wife just because of the fantastic colors and sharpness it gave in especially (Bright light) and low light. Maybe you should just use the Panasonic 900 TM for your wedding shoot then return it for a full refund and then shop around for a high quality (used) Pro Cam. But IMHO something has got to give and its either slightly (bigger size Cam or slightly (smaller size Cam) and less quality and function.

purplestinger

You are really dedicated if you've read almost 400 posts of mine. That'll make your brain leak out.

I just might go with a higher end camera. I did not buy the CX700 or test it.

My big gripe with the TM900 right now is the useless EVF because it has no diopter adjustment.

I'm heading out to test the TM900, oh and yes it does slow down if it detects too much motion.

I'm losing daylight so I will respond more later.
post #65 of 306
"My big gripe with the TM900 right now is the useless EVF because it has no diopter adjustment."

If that's your big gripe, then you are in easy street. The TM900 does have a diopter adjustment.
post #66 of 306
"Just got my (new) 900... Wonder if I should open it or not..."

Open it - if it does not beep, and focuses, you've got a great camcorder.
post #67 of 306
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post
"My big gripe with the TM900 right now is the useless EVF because it has no diopter adjustment."

If that's your big gripe, then you are in easy street. The TM900 does have a diopter adjustment.

Thanks mark, I should have read the manual before posting that. sorry.
Yes it does have a diopter adjustment it is pretty hard to see even when looking directly at it.
post #68 of 306
Thread Starter 
My little Domino was nice enough to help me with this test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L1hsxNx_s
post #69 of 306
"Ok Mark when I am perfect like you and never make a mistake that will be the day I am complete. My mistake ok, Do you want me to beat myself with a board filled with rusty nails now or later?

I was in a F'ing hurry. Life must be good for you because you never have that happen. "


Steve: Hey, I'm not criticizing you, I'm delivering good news!

I don't get it?

But I am also concerned that others will think that the TM900 has omitted this essential feature.

And you did post this misinformation twice.

I get you are frazzled, but that was a might defensive, if not offensive, no?
post #70 of 306
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post
"Ok Mark when I am perfect like you and never make a mistake that will be the day I am complete. My mistake ok, Do you want me to beat myself with a board filled with rusty nails now or later?

I was in a F'ing hurry. Life must be good for you because you never have that happen. "


Steve: Hey, I'm not criticizing you, I'm delivering good news!

I don't get it?

But I am also concerned that others will think that the TM900 has omitted this essential feature.

And you did post this misinformation twice.

I get you are frazzled, but that was a might defensive, if not offensive, no?

Frazzled yeah, sorry, you were right. This house can get really crazy at times. I apologize. I should have RTFM. I was also on the phone with Panasonic to get some answers and had to constantly repeat myself to the guy. I shouldn't type while dealing with techs. nevermind doing 4 things at once.

I did solve the PS3 problem sort of. Also the beeping issue is a defect according to Panasonic, they have no idea what causes it. But they want to escalate it.

EVF does have a diopter adjustment for the record.

No bondi blue problems and the sky is as blue as it's ever going to get.

The PS3 issue can be fixed by stopping the file by pressing X to stop and then pressing X to play again and the frame rate will go back up again.
I don't know why it does it but it does.

Sorry for being an ass, I'll edit my former comment.
post #71 of 306
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post
Ok Mark when I am perfect like you and never make a mistake that will be the day I am complete. My mistake ok, Do you want me to beat myself with a board filled with rusty nails now or later?

I was in a F'ing hurry. Life must be good for you because you never have that happen.
If you do this, make sure to film it with the 900 so we can judge video quality. If you could do half indoors and half outdoors, that would be great.
post #72 of 306
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Originally Posted by ErichGS View Post
If you do this, make sure to film it with the 900 so we can judge video quality. If you could do half indoors and half outdoors, that would be great.

sounds good to me, only my wife will have to film it for you. I don't want to get any blood on a brand new camera.

Also notice I did correct the above post.
post #73 of 306
Thread Starter 
Looks like my Sony HDRCX560V thread has been high jacked.
You off topic people ever hear about a private message or e-mail?
post #74 of 306
Steve, no problem.

Do you have the beeping issue (constant beeping)?

There are beeps associated with menu presses etc. First thing I do with a camcorder or camera is turn off that beep in the menu. Different issue.
post #75 of 306
It's hard to keep track of what the original purpose of a thread is sometimes as you look at the newest threads. But you are correct. I did not notice the thread title just the TM900 stuff that was there. I apologize.

Forum etiquette - stick to the topic, which in this case is about the HDRCX560. I look forward to hearing and seeing more about it.
post #76 of 306
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Originally Posted by Moviemaker4741 View Post

Looks like my Sony HDRCX560V thread has been high jacked.
You off topic people ever hear about a private message or e-mail?


Ok, consider everything back on topic, no more crosstalk about other camcorders except the CX560.
post #77 of 306
Thread Starter 
Nothing wrong with comparing other camcorders with the new Sony's, and it's great to read and see what people feel is a better item on other camcorders.
post #78 of 306
spectacular! ;
post #79 of 306
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I have no idea what You Tube does to a uploaded file. I used the file right from my Sony 560V.
It was fairly dark in my living room, I would like some feed back from people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L1hsxNx_s
post #80 of 306
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

Also the beeping issue is a defect according to Panasonic, they have no idea what causes it. But they want to escalate it.

Now I've got to say I'm impressed. I believe I was the first one to mention this a few days ago and they apparently have already confirmed it. This must be a very widespread issue. I think the 900 Mark used is one of the very few so far that didn't show evidence of it. I'm wondering if Mark played the audio through a receiver where it's much easier to identify. I'm almost convinced that every unit is plagued with it in varying degrees. I can see someone missing it in my 2nd unit, but I'm so attuned to it now, I can recognize it very easily.

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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

The PS3 issue can be fixed by stopping the file by pressing X to stop and then pressing X to play again and the frame rate will go back up again.
I don't know why it does it but it does.

Well that one we've known for awhile. I've used that trick for some time.

This whole thing (lens focusing, beeping etc.) is really a shame in that it taints an otherwise great camcorder. I would never have guessed we'd be dealing with these issues.

Edit: Sorry, I realize that I too have contributed to the hijacking of this thread. Over and out.
post #81 of 306
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Originally Posted by Moviemaker4741 View Post

I have no idea what You Tube does to a uploaded file. I used the file right from my Sony 560V.
It was fairly dark in my living room, I would like some feed back from people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L1hsxNx_s

Moviemaker, I'm guessing at the light levels and I suspect they were quite low. I can assure you 100% the 900 could not do that. The Sony is almost noise-free. This is a great low light camcorder and the picture in good light is very nice too.
post #82 of 306
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Originally Posted by Moviemaker4741 View Post

I have no idea what You Tube does to a uploaded file. I used the file right from my Sony 560V.
It was fairly dark in my living room, I would like some feed back from people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L1hsxNx_s

Hey how did get into my house to tape my cat. LOL nice low light clip ya want another cat.
post #83 of 306
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Moviemaker, I'm guessing at the light levels and I suspect they were quite low. I can assure you 100% the 900 could not do that. The Sony is almost noise-free. This is a great low light camcorder and the picture in good light is very nice too.

I have to admit I was not a great fan of taking pictures or videos in poor lighting conditions. Before buying my Canon 60D&7D I never got anything worth showing anyone if they were taken in poor light.
But with the high ISOs of the new Canons this all changed.

Since many here have expressed the need for a video camcorder to get usable reduced lighting condition videos, I felt I needed to do some testing on my 560V that I never tried with my 550V.

After reading the comments of others in this forum, I feel I need to get a better understanding of just how well the focus of the 560V works.
post #84 of 306
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Originally Posted by gso125 View Post

Hey how did get into my house to tape my cat. LOL nice low light clip ya want another cat.

How about me giving little Domino to your family... Just kidding she is my baby and she likes being in the videos.

I might go outside tonight and see what the 560V can do in the semi-darkness. I won't use the IR mode just shoot in the same mode as in daylight.
post #85 of 306
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Moviemaker, I'm guessing at the light levels and I suspect they were quite low. I can assure you 100% the 900 could not do that. The Sony is almost noise-free. This is a great low light camcorder and the picture in good light is very nice too.

quote!
post #86 of 306
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Originally Posted by Moviemaker4741 View Post

I have no idea what You Tube does to a uploaded file. I used the file right from my Sony 560V.
It was fairly dark in my living room, I would like some feed back from people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L1hsxNx_s


Yeah no chance the Panny is even close to the low light capabilites of the CX560.

I did dislike the very slow autofocus on the CX560 that I tried, it was verrrrry sllllooooowwwww in Best Buy. It might have just been that camera tho.
post #87 of 306
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Originally Posted by Moviemaker4741 View Post

I have to admit I was not a great fan of taking pictures or videos in poor lighting conditions. Before buying my Canon 60D&7D I never got anything worth showing anyone if they were taken in poor light.
But with the high ISOs of the new Canons this all changed.

Since many here have expressed the need for a video camcorder to get usable reduced lighting condition videos, I felt I needed to do some testing on my 560V that I never tried with my 550V.

After reading the comments of others in this forum, I feel I need to get a better understanding of just how well the focus of the 560V works.

I rememeber back then before I bought the sony 550 camcorder. I took my Nikon 300s DLSR to my son's recital in school. Took the video using the Nikon 300s and the Nikon autofocus (DOF) the audience head/hair in front of me and blurr the my son's recital.

I have the sony vg10. It has very good DOF autofocus and movie making. But when it comes to taking home video of groups. It's a problem.
post #88 of 306
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

Thanks, Looks like you are spot on. This is what happens when they rush you in the store. You can see how unhappy the guy is in the video.
If they had a demo model that I could have spent some time with I could have gotten it right.
I guess I'll delete the video off of Vimeo now because it's not 60p.

u must remember to confirm the 2 warning screens after selecting the 60p mode in order for the 60p mode to be activated.

Not sure why the Sony engineers made the selection of 60p mode so inconvenient since it should be possible to burn 60p video to bluray disk by converting to 60i.
post #89 of 306
I believe that Sony wanted to make God Dam certain that who ever chose to shoot in 60P would understand the consequences of editing 60P footage first, a sort of a reminder for what they are getting into? just my obvious thoughts on that one.

purplestinger
post #90 of 306
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Originally Posted by Moviemaker4741 View Post

I have no idea what You Tube does to a uploaded file. I used the file right from my Sony 560V.
It was fairly dark in my living room, I would like some feed back from people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7L1hsxNx_s

Is that sunlight?

If this is at night with a single light source, then I am very impressed. If this is indoors with sunlight coming through the windows (even if not a lot), then the pany can absolutely handle this scenario noise free with a fantastic image.
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