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post #61 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Low light is quite impressive. At the beginning you'll see a few daylight (overcast) shots from the G10 as well as the TMV-700. Apparently this guy got it directly from Japan and just fired it up...so I'm sure he wasn't getting the best results, but he thinks the camera is 'amazing' thus far:

http://vimeo.com/21737429

Footage looks great, but he knows what he is doing! LOL Cameras and Camcorders are great, but I seen some good equipment in the wrong hands look like crap. I am fired up now... Only thing I am confused about during the video it shows TM700 label on some
of the footage.

You can always pay more here I guess. LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Canon-VIXIA-i...ht_4884wt_1141
post #62 of 4142
The TM700 footage was for comparison in similar scenarios.
post #63 of 4142
I just watched the footage, the GH 10 looks good, but when compared to the TM700 footage on his page, it doesn't come close in terms of sharpness and colours. Low light looked great, although it wasn't all that bright
post #64 of 4142
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Originally Posted by T.Huntley View Post

I just watched the footage, the GH 10 looks good, but when compared to the TM700 footage on his page, it doesn't come close in terms of sharpness and colours. Low light looked great, although it wasn't all that bright

My GH10 is about five years old, surly you'r not thinking it would be a good camcorder to compare to the TM700.
post #65 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Moviemaker4741 View Post

My GH10 is about five years old, surly you'r not thinking it would be a good camcorder to compare to the TM700.

HF G10..... not GH10....
HF G10 = brand new camcorder from Canon

Then again, i don't know if you were being sarcastic or not :/
post #66 of 4142
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Originally Posted by T.Huntley View Post

I just watched the footage, the GH 10 looks good, but when compared to the TM700 footage on his page, it doesn't come close in terms of sharpness and colours. Low light looked great, although it wasn't all that bright

Actually the 700 colors did not look good to my eyes, much too red. The GH10's colors looked better, but I agree about daytime sharpness, the 700 was better. I asked the owner to do some better daylight tests with both the 700 & GH10, so hopefully we'll get some more controlled test footage. To my eyes the GH10 is clearly better than the 700/900 in low light.

So the question is how much (or how little) of a hit will you take in good light with the GH10.
post #67 of 4142
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Originally Posted by T.Huntley View Post

I just watched the footage, the GH 10 looks good, but when compared to the TM700 footage on his page, it doesn't come close in terms of sharpness and colours. Low light looked great, although it wasn't all that bright

where u can see the side by side tm900 - hf g10 video footages ?

tx
post #68 of 4142
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Originally Posted by marcolisi View Post


where u can see the side by side tm900 - hf g10 video footages ?

tx

It wasn't really that kind of a test. Angles were different and it was done very quickly since the owner had just gotten his GH10. He will be doing more carefully controlled A/Bs shortly.
post #69 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Actually the 700 colors did not look good to my eyes, much too red. The GH10's colors looked better, but I agree about daytime sharpness, the 700 was better. I asked the owner to do some better daylight tests with both the 700 & GH10, so hopefully we'll get some more controlled test footage. To my eyes the GH10 is clearly better than the 700/900 in low light.

So the question is how much (or how little) of a hit will you take in good light with the GH10.

It's just the fact that this camcorder doesn't have 60p that is a let down. I bet next year all high end consumer cams will have 60p... so if you buy this now, it won't exactly be future proof
post #70 of 4142
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Originally Posted by T.Huntley View Post


It's just the fact that this camcorder doesn't have 60p that is a let down. I bet next year all high end consumer cams will have 60p... so if you buy this now, it won't exactly be future proof

In the end it's still about PQ, regardless of whether the video is 1080i or 1080p. A good example of that is, IMO, the new 1080p Sonys. I've had 1080i camcorders that produced a better picture than the 1080p output from these Sonys. 1080p is no guarantee of the best PQ.
post #71 of 4142
I got a chance to (briefly) shoot with the XA10 today. I must say I was very impressed. Colors looked about as good as any camcorder for under $2500 I have ever seen. The real kicker was its low light capabilities. I was frankly unsure how it would do with the 1/3" sensor but I was so impressed with it that I think I want one. It looked better than anything I've seen from Sony.

Everything was sharp, crisp, good color, good exposure. Very impressive.

The ONLY negative I saw in the brief amount of time I had to play with it, is that in some instances, like where I shot printed text on a piece of paper, or box or something like that, it looked just a bit over sharpened. But I would assume (didn't have a chance to really look at all the menus) that there is a sharpen bias where this can be turned down just a touch (anybody know)?

Otherwise, I hate to say it again but....very impressive!
post #72 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Jay968 View Post

I got a chance to (briefly) shoot with the XA10 today. I must say I was very impressed. Colors looked about as good as any camcorder for under $2500 I have ever seen. The real kicker was its low light capabilities. I was frankly unsure how it would do with the 1/3" sensor but I was so impressed with it that I think I want one. It looked better than anything I've seen from Sony.

Everything was sharp, crisp, good color, good exposure. Very impressive.

The ONLY negative I saw in the brief amount of time I had to play with it, is that in some instances, like where I shot printed text on a piece of paper, or box or something like that, it looked just a bit over sharpened. But I would assume (didn't have a chance to really look at all the menus) that there is a sharpen bias where this can be turned down just a touch (anybody know)?

Otherwise, I hate to say it again but....very impressive!

Jay, all reports seem so positive on these units. To answer your question, yes, you can dial sharpness, color, brightness and contrast up or down. The GH10/XA10 have the most manual controls of any consumer cam out there.

Where did you see it? Was it B&H?
post #73 of 4142
Samy's in LA.
post #74 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Jay968 View Post

Samy's in LA.

Are you familiar with the Panny 900? If so, I'm curious how you felt it compared.
post #75 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Are you familiar with the Panny 900? If so, I'm curious how you felt it compared.

No, I haven't tried the Panny yet, but I will try to soon. As you know I was a big fan of the 700 for a while. Compared to that, I still say the Panny is the king when used at 60P as far as smoothness is concerned. I don't suspect that any 60i camcorder is going to look quite like that. On the other hand, the color in the XA10 is gorgeous, and its low light capability is pretty amazing. I was literally pointing it under tables into the darkest areas I could find and it held its own. Yes there was some graininess when the light level got extremely low, but the grain structure was tight, didn't seem to have all the colorful artifacts that I would normally associate with low light grain and just looked very very good. I suppose if you want the smoothest looking video out there, 60p will do it, but on every other level the Canon really looks amazing. I used to own an XHA1...I would say that this camera puts that one to shame.

I have owned or tried out the HFS21, CX550 Sony, Panny TM700, Sony VG10, and right now I shoot with the DMC-GH2 which I think is the best DSLR for video (I also own a 5D MKII but don't like it for video). Right now I would say based on what I saw this afternoon, it's a tossup between the XA10 and DMC-GH2 with the GH2 having a slight edge in handling jagged edges of objects. The fact that the Canon has an electronic zoom with LANC connector and XLR capability gives it the edge though overall. Again all other aspects aside, the 60p of the TM700 is probably still the best looking video of any camcorder in this category (short of going upwards into the $3000+ neighborhood) when it comes to smoothness of motion subject matter or camera movement. On everything else, color, sharpness, low light handling...I would give the advantage to the XA10.
post #76 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Jay968

Again all other aspects aside, the 60p of the TM700 is probably still the best looking video of any camcorder in this category (short of going upwards into the $3000+ neighborhood) when it comes to smoothness of motion subject matter or camera movement. On everything else, color, sharpness, low light handling...I would give the advantage to the XA10.
Jay, thanks for those observations I noticed you gave the XA10 an edge in sharpness. Did you think it was actually more detailed? That would surprise me, but who knows? I'm sure the GH10/XA10 are better in low light, and that's something I'd appreciate, but my concern is trading that for a significant hit in good light PQ.

I would also think that the XA10 would have fewer artifacts than the GH2. I too own the GH2, and as good as it is, it still has more artifacts than any traditional HD camcorder I've owned.
post #77 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Jay, thanks for those observations I noticed you gave the XA10 an edge in sharpness. Did you think it was actually more detailed? That would surprise me, but who knows? I'm sure the GH10/XA10 are better in low light, and that's something I'd appreciate, but my concern is trading that for a significant hit in good light PQ.

I would also think that the XA10 would have fewer artifacts than the GH2. I too own the GH2, and as good as it is, it still has more artifacts than any traditional HD camcorder I've owned.

No Ken, from what I saw, I would say the XA10 was artificially over sharpened. That's why I asked if anyone knew if it had a sharpness adjustment. I'd like to try it again with sharpening turned down a bit. I also didn't get a chance to shoot outside so that can make a difference too.
post #78 of 4142
Xa-10 in stock at bh just ordered one
post #79 of 4142
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Originally Posted by gso125 View Post

Xa-10 in stock at bh just ordered one

With the XA10 being in stock now, the G10 has to be shortly behind. In speaking to a Canon rep, she claims it was released at the end of March (yesterday), so it should be showing up in inventories soon enough.
post #80 of 4142
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Originally Posted by gso125 View Post

Xa-10 in stock at bh just ordered one


No free shipping tho. Plus Amazon does not have it in stock.
post #81 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

No free shipping tho. Plus Amazon does not have it in stock.


Steve, are you really going to complain on $21 when the camcorder costs 2k?
post #82 of 4142
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Originally Posted by gso125 View Post

Xa-10 in stock at bh just ordered one

Me too. Bet this thing is sold out within 24 hours.

Steve, I agree with ErLupo, if you want it, you better order it F-A-S-T. For $21, you'll have it.
post #83 of 4142
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Originally Posted by ErLupo View Post

Steve, are you really going to complain on $21 when the camcorder costs 2k?

If it is not shipped free and you have to pay taxes it is never a good purchase, no matter how much (or little) it costs.
post #84 of 4142
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

No free shipping tho. Plus Amazon does not have it in stock.

I paid $40 for 2 day delivery is was $60 for next day on Saturday. I have a birthday party tomorrow and I won't be around for delivery. What little it has cost me for delivery on the cameras makes up if you were renting them. Lol
post #85 of 4142
So what are the differences between the XA-10 and the G10?

Just the detachable handle with XLR inputs?
post #86 of 4142
And 64gb onboard memory instead of 32.
post #87 of 4142
Already sold out at B&H
post #88 of 4142
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Originally Posted by ErichGS View Post

So what are the differences between the XA-10 and the G10?

Just the detachable handle with XLR inputs?

"Just"? Panasonic sells an XLR adapter for the HMC40 for about $300. Canon charges $500 for the adapter, handle and extra memory, I think this is a bit too much, but if you want a sleek design with the OEM adapter then you have to pay. BTW, Canon does not use stupid external cables to connect XLR adapter to the camera, like Panasonic and JVC do. Canon uses connection through its proprietary shoe.
post #89 of 4142
Why does "Just" have to be taken with a negative connotation?
post #90 of 4142
I like the infared ability at night and the ability to take off the handle when I go to parks like disney it won't so be bulky. I also like I can add a external mic that (I thought one came with it but it doesn't) I'll check it out first then get a good one and a external light too. Any suggestion on mics and lights.
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